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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 15 July 2008, in the House of Commons.

Health and Social Care Bill

Health and Social Care Bill. Programme motion (No 2) on proceedings on consideration of Lords amendments and subsequent stages. Agreed to on question. Lords amendments considered. Lords amendments 1 to 91 agreed to.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
479 c146-92 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Legislative stage
Lords amendments
Procedure
Programme motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Deposited Paper DEP2008-2156
Friday, 29 August 2008
Deposited papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c147 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.
Speaker | 479 c147 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister want to continue? He should be making his speech.
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Stephen O'Brien | 479 c157-60 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend touches on an important point—how we benefit from the processes. That has not been pa...
Sandra Gidley | 479 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not propose to go through the amendments at length, as we support most of them because they imp...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall use precisely the same words as I used in my opening remarks on the previous group of amendm...
Baroness Browning | 479 c156 (Link to this contribution) Associated with my hon. Friend's comments is the fact that I am still unclear—I wonder whether he or...
Speaker | 479 c155 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 7 to 23, 26 to 31, 53, 54, 67 to 72...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c155 (Link to this contribution) This group consists of concessions, where we have listened and responded carefully to debate, and so...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c154 (Link to this contribution) I share the slight disappointment of the hon. Member for Romsey (Sandra Gidley) at the ungracious to...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c155 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c152-3 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend reaches for the overarching principle that lies behind the mindset that informs...
Sandra Gidley | 479 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) It would be churlish not to welcome the amendments, particularly those that reinforce the importance...
Lord Redwood | 479 c152 (Link to this contribution) Is all this not just more evidence that the Government cannot get away from centralised, target-sett...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c147-8 (Link to this contribution) As I was saying, amendment No. 2 introduces a new main objective for the commission. We have been cl...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c148-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this group of amendments, which delivers some of the changes that we were looking for, not...
Lord Redwood | 479 c149 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making an important point. Does he have any explanation for the flip-flop, or U-tu...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c149-52 (Link to this contribution) The best I can say to my right hon. Friend is that I would like to think so. I recall saying at the ...
Speaker | 479 c147 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to consider Lords amendments Nos. 2 to 5, 24, 25 and 66.
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c147 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my view, the scrutiny of the Bill in both Houses has been enormously con...
Simon Burns | 479 c147 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I seek your guidance. Given that the Minister is now making his se...
Speaker | 479 c147 (Link to this contribution) The Minister needs to reply at the end of the debate.
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c147 (Link to this contribution) I was expecting, Mr. Speaker, that after what I said you would say that it will be convenient to con...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c170 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that this is a technical matter, but the Minister will understand that there are commen...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that that is the case, but I undertake to write to the hon. Gentleman with clarificat...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c167-9 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could just finish the point. There ought perhaps to be a safeguard. Somebody who makes a c...
Speaker | 479 c171 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to deal with Lords amendments Nos. 38 to 47.
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c171 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 38, 40 and 41 strengthen the safeguards available for those subject to orders by jus...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c167 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes a powerful point. We in this House must be supremely...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c164-7 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 32, which leads this group, would remove the Secretary of State's power of direction i...
Charles Walker | 479 c167 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps my hon. Friend can help me. An allegation is an allegation. What in the Bill will protect me...
Simon Burns | 479 c162 (Link to this contribution) The Minister gave my hon. Friend the Member for Eddisbury a perfectly valid and stock answer under t...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c162 (Link to this contribution) Although we have, as the hon. Gentleman graciously acknowledged, improved the level of transparency ...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c162 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.
Speaker | 479 c163 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 33 to 36, 52, 55 to 60, 62, 73 to 8...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c163 (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments reflect areas in part 2 of the Bill where arguments put forward in the othe...
Charles Walker | 479 c164 (Link to this contribution) I have great sympathy with the Minister on that point because unsubstantiated allegations can ruin p...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c164 (Link to this contribution) That will depend on the evidence. I turn now to the issue of the Office of the Health Professions A...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c161 (Link to this contribution) On the issue of costs and the ombudsman, the hon. Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O'Brien) will know that ...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister rightly confirmed that the first legislative opportunity would be taken to introduce ac...
Baroness Browning | 479 c176 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my astonishment that although the Government conceded many points in Commi...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c176 (Link to this contribution) I dare say that many of us would like to be a fly on the wall, if not in the Public Gallery, of the ...
Baroness Browning | 479 c176 (Link to this contribution) As a member of the Public Accounts Committee, I am trying to imagine what effect this measure will h...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c175 (Link to this contribution) Lords amendment No. 50 introduces a new clause into the Bill to amend section 164 of the National He...
Speaker | 479 c175 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 49, 50, 63 to 65, 90 and 91.
Kelvin Hopkins | 479 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) I cannot accept that giving additional money to expectant mothers will simply be wasted. A high prop...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c177 (Link to this contribution) I am again grateful to my hon. Friend, whose memory serves her well. I recognise, Mr. Deputy Speaker...
Baroness Browning | 479 c177 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend recall, as I do, that it was openly acknowledged in Committee that the money may...
Anne Milton | 479 c173 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. It is interesting that he makes a party political p...
Sion Simon | 479 c173 (Link to this contribution) Surely the hon. Lady is stretching the facts to make a rather cheap partisan point. All the percenta...
Anne Milton | 479 c174 (Link to this contribution) I will give way one last time, but the hon. Gentleman failed to make an adequate point last time, so...
Anne Milton | 479 c171-3 (Link to this contribution) I shall start with amendments Nos. 37 and 39, which ensure that dead bodies are disposed of respectf...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c175 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.
Anne Milton | 479 c174 (Link to this contribution) I am indeed going to suggest that. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman should have listened to my point that ...
Sion Simon | 479 c174 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way again, but she failed adequately to respond to my poin...
Anne Milton | 479 c174 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Lords amendments before us are grouped under the headin...
Speaker | 479 c174 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am reluctant to stop the hon. Lady, but she must ensure that she relates her remarks specif...
Baroness Browning | 479 c183 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to what my hon. Friend says, but as this legislation brings together health...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c182-3 (Link to this contribution) Lords amendment No. 51 makes local authority-funded private or voluntary sector care a function of a...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c182 (Link to this contribution) Members will recall that the previous time this Bill was before the House we undertook to address th...
Speaker | 479 c182 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendment No. 61.
Graham Stuart | 479 c185 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend spoke very quickly just now, so I may have misheard. It sounded to me as if he said t...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c184-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. Interestingly, her two most recent interventions demonstrate how this point...
Baroness Browning | 479 c184 (Link to this contribution) That is particularly the case for the elderly, because as the body ages it does not absorb so well k...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) Precisely. My hon. Friend makes a powerful point, again from her own experience. That was discussed ...
Graham Stuart | 479 c185 (Link to this contribution) On a positive note, may I, through my hon. Friend, congratulate Hull royal infirmary? I recently vis...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c185 (Link to this contribution) As I said, there has been some further discussion about the precise way the figure of 84 per cent. w...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c178 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for helping us to recall what happened in Committee. Some of us ...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c179 (Link to this contribution) I bow to my hon. Friend's experience and knowledge. I think that those of us who are men should tres...
Baroness Browning | 479 c179 (Link to this contribution) The point was made in Committee—I think that it was borne out by the evidence session—that there are...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to highlight the practical difficulty, although I do not think it is an ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 479 c179 (Link to this contribution) I have every sympathy with what the hon. Gentleman is saying, and I think we are all trying to move ...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c181 (Link to this contribution) Like the hon. Member for Romsey (Sandra Gidley), I do not intend to repeat our lengthy discussions o...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c181 (Link to this contribution) I recommend that the hon. Gentleman reads the Hansard of the Committee, where we discussed that at g...
Graham Stuart | 479 c181 (Link to this contribution) The Minister himself has said that, from a nutritional point of view, money would be best spent earl...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c182 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.
Andrew Dismore | 479 c190-1 (Link to this contribution) I agree, and our report focuses on recognising the fact that using the law through the court process...
Kelvin Hopkins | 479 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend suggesting that a category of private institutions with private funding could be r...
Andrew Dismore | 479 c192 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I would approach it from that direction. I would approach it from the other direc...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c192 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, Madam Deputy Speaker. I was hoping to respond to my hon. Friend the Mem...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c185-6 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that. I was recently in the Hull, Haltemprice and Howden area, but unfortunately I...
Andrew Dismore | 479 c190 (Link to this contribution) I too welcome the amendments and the remarks made by the hon. Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O'Brien) and...
Kelvin Hopkins | 479 c188-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises a further complication. Again, if everyone were fully paid for by the stat...
Sandra Gidley | 479 c189-90 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the amendments, and we should not let the other place take all the credit. It was cl...
Kelvin Hopkins | 479 c188 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is right. Individual care homes perform very differently in both the public and privat...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c188 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman might be coming on to this, but he will have heard me say that one of our gravest...
Kelvin Hopkins | 479 c187 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak briefly to the amendments, because I had the pleasure ...
Baroness Browning | 479 c187 (Link to this contribution) I have some sympathy with the hon. Gentleman. Does he recall that comparative standards in residenti...
Graham Stuart | 479 c186 (Link to this contribution) As it has been recognised that these are human rights, how does my hon. Friend think that particular...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c186-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises an important point, although it would be straying outside the scope of the ame...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c162 (Link to this contribution) No, we want to do this as soon as we possibly can. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will accept tha...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c190 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right on those two points, but on the second point, it will be important to en...
Ben Bradshaw | 479 c169-70 (Link to this contribution) On the removal of the Secretary of State's power of direction over the Council for Healthcare Regula...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) I really do, which is why amendments Nos. 48 and 49 rightly raise this issue at this stage of our pr...
Stephen O'Brien | 479 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity to debate this group of amendments. I am sorry that we did not receive any...
Sandra Gidley | 479 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to detain the House for long. I shall confine my comments to the amendments that are...
Subjects
Complaints Care homes Doctors Hearing impairment Health Health services Human rights EU law Health professions Infectious diseases Local government NHS Qualifications Ministerial powers Public sector Pharmacy Older people Primary care trusts Nutrition Public participation Quarantine Pregnancy Migrant workers Registration Standards Social services Human remains Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence Hearing Aid Council Care Quality Commission Office of the Health Professions Adjudicator Local involvement networks
Legislation
Health and Social Care Bill 2007-08
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