Debate on bill on Tuesday, 7 October 2008, in the House of Lords.

Pensions Bill

Pensions Bill. Lords Report stage first day. Part 2 of 2 records.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 704 c205-26
Session: 2007-08
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Pensions Bill. As amended in Committee.
Thursday, 17 July 2008
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott, makes my task a little easier. I am grateful for that. I a...; Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 704 c206 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not open to being convinced by the Minister that the amendment is reasonable, and I h...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 52: 52: Clause 69, page 37, line 42, leave out subsection (5) The noble Baron...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c225 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Baroness saying that that judgment arises from her belief that there is not a...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c225-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think the record will show that I said I did not accept that there was a public service ...; Lord Tunnicliffe | 704 c226 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. Moved accordingly, and, on Q...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I always take the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott, very seriously.; Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 704 c222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am flattered that the noble Baroness has taken the little joke about loans on commercial...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with these amendments we turn to funding, an issue that was debated at length in Committee...; Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 704 c222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, more than I do myself, but I thank the noble Baroness. However, although I am flattered th...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c207 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I should have given him notice that I intended to ...; Lord Skelmersdale | 704 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53: 53: After Clause 72, insert the following new Clause— ““Review of the pens...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as noble Lords will be aware, we have committed to having a review in 2017 of two of the m...; Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 704 c210 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness on her ingenuity. No one is better than her at spotting ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c211 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that and am grateful for my noble friend’s input. I cannot give a commitment ...; Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 704 c211 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for the avoidance of doubt, I want to make it clear, because I would not wish to embarrass...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 54: 54: Schedule 1, page 75, line 11, at end insert— ““( ) The Secretary of St...; Lord Skelmersdale | 704 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in a previous existence, a noble friend of mine used the expression ““gobsmacked””. That p...; Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 704 c213 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I am grateful to the noble Baroness for reminding us of the nonse...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c216-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 58: 58: Schedule 1, page 80, line 42, leave out ““and”” and insert— ““( ) any ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c218 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the amendment, because it gives us the chance to try to produce some cla...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c218 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understood that it was work in progress but that the general drift was that there would ...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c220 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is not entirely the satisfactory conclusion that I had hoped I would get to these ame...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c219 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the power would and should be used. I qualify that by saying only that the whole design of...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c220-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 59: 59: Schedule 1, page 81, line 10, leave out sub-paragraph (2) and insert— ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c218-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly agree with the second point. As an NDPB, the trustee corporation will be requi...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c219 (Link to this contribution) Again, my Lords, I am talking not about the accounts but about the annual report. The Minister said ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c219 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I have given as clear an assurance as I can that both sets of accounts, whethe...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, don’t rub it in! I guess my response can be summed up as, ““It’s a fair cop””. I stand chi...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I repeat what my noble friend Lord Skelmersdale said in relation to the previous amendment...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c216 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 57: 57: Schedule 1, page 80, line 19, after ““employee”” insert ““or other mem...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c216 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott, for his support on this and on other recent amendm...; Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 704 c216 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this seems a pretty basic requirement for good corporate governance in an organisation suc...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 56: 56: Schedule 1, page 78, line 8, at end insert— ““( ) The trustee corporat...; Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, hallelujah! On Question, amendment agreed to.; Baroness Noakes | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, more delight is recorded from these Benches.; Lord Tunnicliffe | 704 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 55: 55: Schedule 1, page 77, line 8, leave out ““four”” and insert ““five”” T...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c224-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a pity that we will end our deliberations today on a less happy note than we have ac...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 704 c216 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, noble Lords may recall that in Committee we discussed the arrangements for the trustee cor...; Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 704 c208-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, because he has given me an opport...; Baroness Noakes | 704 c219 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said that, when considering the information that would be included in the ann...
Notes: Includes debate on the proposed Trustee Corporation (clause 57 and schedule 1) whose name is to be determined at a later date.
Subjects: Costs Contributions Finance Government assistance Pay Public appointments Workplace pensions Pensions Personal pensions Non-departmental public bodies Pension funds Pension rights Trusts Personal Accounts Delivery Authority Pension accounts
Legislation: Pensions Bill 2007-08
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