Debate on bill on Tuesday, 28 April 2009, in the House of Lords.

Health Bill [HL]

Health Bill (HL). Lords Report stage first day.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 710 c111-20,133-76,191-210
Session: 2008-09
Department: Department of Health
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: Government defeats; New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Health Bill (HL). As amended in Grand Committee.
Tuesday, 17 March 2009
Bills
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2009-1535
Tuesday, 28 April 2009
Deposited papers
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2009-1551
Monday, 23 February 2009
Deposited papers
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2009-1539
Tuesday, 28 April 2009
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c146-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I declare an interest. I work in two NHS organisations that provide specialised ser...; Earl Howe | 710 c147 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a useful debate. Of course, I understand the point made by the noble Barones...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c147 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 6 6: Clause 2, page 2, line 11, at end insert— "(h) bodies concerned with the education o...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c145 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an important amendment. The reason that I think it is important rests on my knowle...; Baroness Murphy | 710 c145-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot help but be sympathetic to the amendment of the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and recogn...; Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c146 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to provide a contrast by strongly supporting the amendment. It neatly provide...; Baroness Tonge | 710 c146 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, lists always worry me terribly, because when you have completed one you always think of so...; Lord Morris of Manchester | 710 c143-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it was Aristotle—if not it ought to have been—who said that it is the essence of p...; Earl Howe | 710 c144 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 5 5: Clause 2, page 2, line 6, at end insert— "( ) specialised commissioning groups;"; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, and I shall try to clarify the matter. Princi...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I wonder why the statement of accountability is not inclu...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 1 and 16 tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, would place a duty on the Secreta...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c113 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the British Medical Association has said that it has been a vocal supporter of the concept...; Earl Howe | 710 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it falls to me to open today’s proceedings. With this amendment I shall couple Amendment 1...; Earl Howe | 710 c111 (Link to this contribution) Clause 1: NHS Constitution Amendment 1 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 13, at end insert— "( ) In this C...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c135-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 3, 7 and 8 tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, propose that the same list of b...; Earl Howe | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that statement is certainly in the constitution but the content of the statement of accoun...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to intervene but perhaps I may again read what principle 7 in the constitution ...; Earl Howe | 710 c115-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving this amendment, I bring us back to an issue that gave rise to a gratifying amoun...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c117-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 2 would mean that the Secretary of State would need to make regulations to addre...; Earl Howe | 710 c133-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 7 and 8. I make no apology for returning to a matter that...; Earl Howe | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution) Clause 2: Duty to have regard to NHS Constitution Amendment 3 3: Clause 2, page 2, line 3, at end ...; Earl Howe | 710 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful for the support of the noble Lord, Lord Walton, and for the excellent p...; Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene briefly after the powerful speeches made by the noble Lord, Lord Morris, and t...; Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 710 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to have the opportunity to speak in support of the amendment tabled by the ...; Lord Morris of Manchester | 710 c136-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want first to thank my noble friend Lady Thornton for doing so much to make it possible ...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c142-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also acknowledge the moving speeches made by my noble friend Lord Morris and the noble B...; Baroness Tonge | 710 c141-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, add my support to the spirit of this amendment if not to its actuality—if that is ...; Baroness Wilkins | 710 c141 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the purpose behind this amendment, as set out by the noble Earl. The es...; Earl Howe | 710 c140-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not for me to speak on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Morris of Manchester, but I th...; Earl Howe | 710 c136 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much appreciate the Minister's comments and his explanation. I respect his position...; Lord Morris of Manchester | 710 c136 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 4 4: Clause 2, page 2, line 4, at end insert— "( ) the Advisory Committee on the Treatmen...; Earl Howe | 710 c157 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 9 9: Clause 2, page 2, line 28, at end insert— "( ) The Secretary of State shall publish ...; Earl Howe | 710 c157-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 9 is designed to take us back to one of the most perplexing aspects of this whol...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with great respect to my noble friend, this amendment does put a pretty heavy responsibili...; Baroness Barker | 710 c160 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take the opportunity to support the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and to note, as one always sh...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c156-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as always, I am deeply grateful to the Minister for his comprehensive, thoughtful and help...; Earl Howe | 710 c163 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for considering the points made in Grand Committee by noble Lords on ...; Earl Howe | 710 c162 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister, the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, and my noble and lear...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c160-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 9 would commit the Secretary of State to publishing guidance on the meaning of t...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c163 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 11 to 14 and 17. Amendments 10 to 14 propose that the Sec...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c162 (Link to this contribution) Clause 3: Availability, review and revision of NHS Constitution Amendment 10 10: Clause 3, page 3,...; Baroness Emerton | 710 c150 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is also on the amendment; I support it, along with the eloquent speech made by my ...; Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c150-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is also on these amendments, and I would like to speak in their support. I would a...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c148-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friends and I have tabled this amendment for several important reasons. It is tru...; Lord Patel | 710 c149-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is attached to Amendments 6 and 34, and I support them both. My noble friend Lord ...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c154-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have heard from many Lords. Again, let me declare an interest. I am a university employ...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support Amendment 6 and the later amendment, not only in relation to the medica...; Earl Howe | 710 c152-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with these amendments the noble Lord, Lord Walton of Detchant, has once again hit the nail...; Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 710 c152 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the eloquence of my various colleagues, my noble friends, who have put forward A...; Lord Turnberg | 710 c151-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for not being here at the beginning, but I heard the vast majority of the deba...; Baroness Murphy | 710 c151 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope noble Lords will forgive me if I seem to be turning into a legalistic nit-picker he...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c168 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, tabled an amendment which we discussed in Grand Committee that ...; Earl Howe | 710 c168 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister again for his consideration of the points that I made in Grand Commit...; Earl Howe | 710 c168 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 19 19: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— "Quality of data (1) The Health a...; Earl Howe | 710 c168-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we had a useful and wide-ranging debate in Grand Committee about possible ways in which qu...; Baroness Tonge | 710 c170 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment highlights the reservations that I have had all along about quality accounts...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c170-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 19, tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, seeks to give the CQC a role in the dat...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c172 (Link to this contribution) Clause 8: Regulations under section 6 Amendment 20 20: Clause 8, page 5, line 38, leave out subsec...; Earl Howe | 710 c172 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was a helpful answer from the Minister and I thank him for it. We would all acknowled...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 20, I shall also speak to Amendments 21, 35, 36 and 37. The Delegated ...; Baroness Masham of Ilton | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the Minister give examples of bodies that might be representing patients? As the commu...; Baroness Pitkeathley | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for these amendments. They are entirely appropriate and I am gl...; Earl Howe | 710 c165 (Link to this contribution) Clause 4: Availability, review and revision of Handbook Amendment 15 15: Clause 4, page 3, line 41...; Baroness Barker | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for the consideration that he has given to the points made so s...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to reassure the noble Baroness. The best learning we can get in the NHS is achieved...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c167 (Link to this contribution) Clause 5: Report on effect of NHS Constitution Amendment 17 17: Clause 5, page 4, line 3, after "s...; Earl Howe | 710 c167 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply and I respect his position. I reworded the ame...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c166-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 15 proposes that, ""the Secretary of State shall consult persons … as in all the...; Earl Howe | 710 c165-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to point out a small error in the printing. The amendment should read: ""Before any...; Lord Dubs | 710 c197 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 24 24: Clause 9, page 6, line 36, at end insert— "(7) Health care provided in accordance ...; Earl Howe | 710 c196 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a useful debate, and I thank the Minister for his reply. His assurances were...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c198 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there may be a small question about what the status of such a person would be in terms of ...; Lord Dubs | 710 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, and this amendment stems from some w...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c194-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not entirely sure. I shall be more than happy to come back and say unless my noble fr...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c194 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, which authority was that?; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c196 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not entirely sure what the question is. If it is whether a highly specialised service...; Baroness Barker | 710 c195 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, does he agree that there are legitimate reasons, other than...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this set of amendments deals with consent and the services and circumstances in which dire...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c198-200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment tabled by my noble friend Lord Dubs on behalf of the Joint Committee on Huma...; Earl Howe | 710 c191 (Link to this contribution) Clause 9: Direct payments for health care Amendment 23 23: Clause 9, page 6, line 17, after "patie...; Lord Palmer | 710 c176 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, for her support. I listened with great care to wh...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c175 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, has proposed a new clause that seeks to require trusts to jus...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c175 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understood that it was one of the principles of the National Health Service that service...; Baroness Barker | 710 c174-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, was unable to move this amendment in Committee, we did not...; Lord Palmer | 710 c174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the House that I was not able to give this amendment an airing in Committee...; Lord Palmer | 710 c173-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 22 22: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause— "Duty of providers to account for...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c173 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 21 21: Clause 8, page 5, line 41, leave out "Subject to that," Amendment 21 agreed.; Earl Howe | 710 c191 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 23, which is designed to address a very straightforward issue, one...; Baroness Barker | 710 c191-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendments 25 and 31 in this group. As this is the first group of amend...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c209 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 30 tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Barker and Lady Tonge, would create an e...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be very brief but I think this is quite an important amendment. I did not think it ...; Baroness Barker | 710 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for one of the politest and most thoroughly considered responses that...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c207 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for the recognition he has given to the role of staff in ...; Baroness Barker | 710 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 30, I want to turn again, in a slightly different way, to what was the...; Baroness Barker | 710 c207 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 30 30: Clause 9, page 7, line 23, at end insert— "( ) as to the production every three ye...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 26, tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Barker and Lady Tonge, proposes that th...; Earl Howe | 710 c201-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 27 in my name follows on from the remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c201 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 29, which is grouped with the amendment moved by the noble Baron...; Baroness Barker | 710 c200-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment would insert into Clause 9 something that is omitted from new Section 12B. T...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment aims to ensure sure that implementation of direct payments for healthcare i...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c205 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 28 28: Clause 9, page 7, line 23, at end insert— "( ) as to the conditions that must be m...; Baroness Barker | 710 c205 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, and the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for their su...; Baroness Barker | 710 c200 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 26 26: Clause 9, page 7, line 16, at end insert— "( ) as to the mechanisms by which a pat...; Lord Dubs | 710 c200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that explanation. What the Government seek to achieve...; Earl Howe | 710 c144-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving this amendment, I realise that I run the risk of crossfire from other noble Lord...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 710 c139-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a difficult speech to make, because I have unutterable respect for both previous s...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c167 (Link to this contribution) Clause 7: Supplementary provision about the duty Amendment 18 18: Clause 7, page 5, line 33, at en...; Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c164-5 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 11 to 14 11: Clause 3, page 3, line 16, at end insert "and bodies or other persons repre...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we know that the impact that the proposals for direct payments will have on staff is signi...; Earl Howe | 710 c118 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply. He gave only a brief nod to the problem which...; Earl Howe | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 2 2: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— "Core principles The Secretary of S...
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Legislation: Health Bill (HL) 2008-09
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Health Bill [HL]

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