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Debate on bill on Monday, 8 June 2009, in the House of Lords.

Business Rate Supplements Bill

Business Rate Supplements Bill. Lords Report stage first day.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
711 c468-518 
Session
2008-09
Department
Department for Communities and Local Government
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
Government defeats
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c508 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 20 and 21 20: Schedule 1, page 22, line 35, leave out from "to" to end of line 37 and in...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c508 (Link to this contribution) Clause 6: Consultation Amendment 22 22: Clause 6, page 4, leave out lines 24 to 26 and insert "con...
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Baroness Hamwee | 711 c508 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendments 23 and 24. Amendment 22 revisits Clause 6(5), because I b...
Lord Bates | 711 c508-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this group of amendments as they seem to make an awful lot of sense. We had a ve...
Lord Bates | 711 c506-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move the amendment to which I have already spoken, and I wish to test the opinion...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c511 (Link to this contribution) Clause 10: Variations Amendments 27 and 28 27: Clause 10, page 6, line 18, leave out from beginnin...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c510-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure whether the Minister answered Amendment 23. Perhaps it was wrapped up with A...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c509-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords for their constructive approach to these issues. Of cour...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c511 (Link to this contribution) Clause 8: Approval by ballot Amendment 26 26: Clause 8, page 5, line 14, leave out from beginning ...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c511 (Link to this contribution) Clause 7: Holding of ballot Amendment 25 25: Clause 7, page 4, line 35, leave out from "BRS" to en...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 711 c504 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister will be the first to take the point that for a Bill which is intended to be o...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c504-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is certainly so. However, there is a wider public interest in the benefits contained ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 711 c503 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to say only that I might have put down a different amendment. All I am doing at the...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c504 (Link to this contribution) That I understand, my Lords. The Government are going to have to address themselves to the issue irr...
Lord Bates | 711 c506 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 16A 16A: Schedule 1, page 21, line 27, at end insert— "( ) A description of the arrangeme...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 711 c506 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I realise the constraints that the Minister feels himself under, and no doubt if I were in...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c506 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as ever, the noble Lord puts these issues in persuasive terms. He will appreciate that, gi...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 711 c505-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful for the support that I have had for this amendment from all parts ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c505 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is general in the sense that it applies to all the issues that the Bill raises. The nob...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 711 c473 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is my first contribution to any stage of this Bill, so my remarks will be extremely b...
Earl Cathcart | 711 c472-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as a chartered accountant and as a director of companies that pay bu...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 711 c472 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not take part in the debate in Grand Committee. I have of course received the briefi...
Lord Bates | 711 c470-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment and endorse the remarks so ably made by the noble Baroness, Lady ...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c468-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, who is a veritable and valiant Pooh-Bah, ...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c468 (Link to this contribution) Clause 1: Power to impose a BRS Amendment 1 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, at beginning insert "Subj...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c487-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if we constructed legislation on the basis of any immediate stage of the economy, we would...
Lord Bates | 711 c488 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his invitation. On the subject of Wales, the point which seems to...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c486-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that the noble Lord will be surprised that I am not with him on this one—as...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 711 c487 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be very brief. I hesitate to say this in the absence of the noble Baroness, Lady A...
Lord Bates | 711 c485 (Link to this contribution) Clause 2: Levying authorities Amendment 3 3: Clause 2, page 1, line 17, leave out paragraphs (b) t...
Lord Bates | 711 c485-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 4, 10, 14 and 38, standing in my name and that of my nobl...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c482-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this brief debate. I noticed one or tw...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c485 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments are indeed intended to be constructive, and the Minister should read into t...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 711 c488 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend should not ignore the fact that the last occasion on which the Conservativ...
Lord Best | 711 c482 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I moved amendments to similar effect in Committee and I support these, particularly those ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c475-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. If the noble Lord concedes a contribution ...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c476-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I have to say to the n...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c479 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 2 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, at end insert— "(2A) Regulations may amend subsection (2) ...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c479-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 2 and shall speak to Amendments 5 and 29, which are grouped with i...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c473-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all the noble Lords who have spoken in this debate and particularly grate...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 711 c474 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for intervening at such an early stage in the proceedings on this amendment, b...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c474-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in some difficulty because no announcement has been made, but let me assure the House...
Lord Bates | 711 c475 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. He says that 10 per cent or 5 per cent are s...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 711 c480-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened carefully to the noble Baroness, and I have no doubt that with an attachment, w...
Lord Bates | 711 c481-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sympathetic to at least some of these amendments. While beginning this process, at Se...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 711 c499-501 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, noble Lords who took part in the Grand Committee will recognise that this is the same amen...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 711 c501-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like my noble friend, I was once a Treasury Minister. It is 22 years since I gave up being...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c498-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am obviously glad to hear about guidance. With regard to my Amendment 15 about the costs...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 711 c499 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 16 16: Schedule 1, page 21, line 18, at end insert— "(d) the likely impact of the imposit...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c503 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, on his persistence with regard to this importa...
Lord Bates | 711 c502-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment in two particular regards, and I seek some clarification. The poin...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c503 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, on pursuing this matter with such doggedness. ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c498 (Link to this contribution) Projects will vary. That will inevitably be the case in most projects we can envisage because it is ...
Earl Cathcart | 711 c498 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, I am not sure whether he addressed proposed sub-paragraph (...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c495-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords for moving and speaking to their amendments. The noble L...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c491 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 11 11: Clause 5, page 3, line 37, after "prospectus" insert "and a summary of it together...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c491 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak also to Amendments 12 and 13. The amendments are retabled from Committee with...
Lord Bates | 711 c492 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to support the amendments. I do not have a great deal to add to the words o...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c492-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken in this brief debate. Of course, the Governme...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c493 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it must be such a difficult job being a parliamentary drafts person, and a Minister defend...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c493 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 1: Information to be included in a prospectus for a BRS Amendment 15 15: Schedule 1, page...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak also to Amendments 17 and 18 standing in my name in this group. Amendment No. 16A in...
Lord Bates | 711 c494-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments that have been spoken to by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, and ...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c490 (Link to this contribution) Clause 4: Conditions for imposing a BRS Amendments 6 to 9 6: Clause 4, page 3, line 25, leave out ...
Lord Bates | 711 c488-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend's grasp of history and his wit and insight are the things that we look for...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c517 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wrote a note to myself to refer to the Mayor of London’s briefing. I will not read it ou...
Lord Bates | 711 c514-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Cathcart. The amendments ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c517-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at this stage in the evening, one takes solace where one can, and I take a great deal of s...
Lord Bates | 711 c512 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. It concerns reliefs, which can apply widely. They can apply to sp...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c512-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for keeping their contributions brief because my response is ...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c514 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was admirable. I hope that the noble Lord did not have to spend more than about five ...
Lord Bates | 711 c514 (Link to this contribution) Clause 16: Interaction with BID levy Amendment 31 31: Clause 16, page 11, line 37, leave out subse...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c511 (Link to this contribution) Clause 15: BRS relief Amendment 30 30: Clause 15, page 11, line 19, leave out from "BRS" to end of...
Baroness Hamwee | 711 c511-2 (Link to this contribution) This brief speech on my part might require a rather longer answer. On reading Hansard, I realised th...
Lord Bates | 711 c505 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the generalities, my point about contribution was that it was certainly not general. Th...
Lord Bates | 711 c518 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to say that the Minister has given fulsome consideration to my concerns and g...
Subjects
Companies Costs Business Elizabeth line Finance Liability Donors Greater London Infrastructure Empty property Local government Local government finance Public transport Rates and rating Property Business rates Wales Tax allowances Valuation Taxation Business improvement districts Community infrastructure levy
Legislation
Business Rate Supplements Bill 2008-09
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