Debate on bill on Monday, 9 November 2009, in the House of Lords.

Health Bill [HL]

Health Bill (HL). Lords consideration of Commons amendments. Motion made that the House resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole House to consider Commons amendments 1 to 10. Agreed to on question. Commons amendments 1 to 10 agreed to. Commons amendment 11 agreed to with consequential amendments. New clause (motion on amendment 14) not moved. Commons amendments 12 to 25 agreed to.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 714 c584-640
Session: 2008-09
Department: Department of Health; Committee of the Whole House (HL)
Legislative stage: Committee stage; Commons amendments
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Health Bill (HL). Commons amendments. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 70-EN also published.
Tuesday, 13 October 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Thornton | 714 c639 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments 13, 15 and 25. ...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c639 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 13.; Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) I spoke to this amendment with Amendment 12. I beg to move. Amendment to the Motion Tabled by; Baroness Thornton | 714 c639 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 14.; Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 15. That the House do agree with the Co...; Baroness Meacher | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) 14A: Insert the following new Clause- "Private health care (1) Section 44 (private health care) of t...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke to this amendment with Amendment 13. I beg to move. Motion agreed. Motion on Ame...; Baroness Meacher | 714 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House. Division on amendment to Motion 12 Contents 85;...; Baroness Fookes | 714 c638 (Link to this contribution) Before I call the next amendment, I have to inform the House that in the Division on Amendment 11, t...; Baroness Cumberlege | 714 c638-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very conscious that when I spoke in the previous debate, I did not fully declare my i...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments 17 to 25. Motion agreed.; Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the privilege amendment. Motion agreed. Motion on Amendments 17 to 25. Moved by...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c631 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Warner said that in 1983, the Government got it wrong.; Lord Walton of Detchant | 714 c630-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief, because I think that this is an excellent amendment which is well worthy...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c631-2 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, in 2003. I am sorry to take issue with my noble friend, but the Government got it right....; Lord Warner | 714 c631 (Link to this contribution) It was 2003.; Baroness Thornton | 714 c624-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 12. In doing so,...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c623-4 (Link to this contribution) 12: Insert the following new Clause- "Private patient income of mental health foundation trusts (1) ...; Lord Warner | 714 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, to the Commons amendm...; Earl Howe | 714 c628-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the world has moved on considerably since we last debated these matters in your Lordships’...; Baroness Meacher | 714 c632 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene only to say that I still agree with every word that I said at the time. On all...; Earl Howe | 714 c621 (Link to this contribution) I am not arguing about that. I am arguing that the two-stage approach, which the Government original...; Baroness Fookes | 714 c637 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness wish to test the opinion of the House?; Baroness Meacher | 714 c636-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. She is in a difficult position in arguing the case for...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c636 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness makes a very good point. It is exactly why we need a thoroughgoing review. The G...; Baroness Cumberlege | 714 c636 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness agree that they had not actually been put into practice, so we did not know ...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c635-6 (Link to this contribution) I did mean a 1.5 per cent average cap on all acute foundation trusts in 2008-2009. There is a differ...; Earl Howe | 714 c635 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. I think she meant 1.5 per cent rather than 5.1 per cent.; Baroness Thornton | 714 c634-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the debate today has shown that this area remains complex. There are a multitude of valuab...; Baroness Barker | 714 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) One thing that has not changed in the past six years is that the best children's hospital in Europe,...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c632 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness says that this is an interim measure. I argue that the interim measure is the con...; Baroness Cumberlege | 714 c632-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remember the tremendous struggle six years ago to get the principles of foundation trust...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c587-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments address a fundamental omission in the foundation trust regulatory regime....; Baroness Thornton | 714 c585-7 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 1. 1: Insert the following new Clause-...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c585 (Link to this contribution) We will go into Committee to discuss a new matter. The usual channels have agreed to that procedure....; Lord Naseby | 714 c584 (Link to this contribution) I seek clarification from the noble Baroness. An unusual procedure is being followed. I am not entir...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c584 (Link to this contribution) That the Commons Amendments 1 to 10, together with any amendments relating thereto, be considered in...; Lord Patel | 714 c600 (Link to this contribution) Further to that question, was it not the case that in the first instance patients and their families...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c600 (Link to this contribution) The only reason why I expressed surprise at the intervention of the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, is ...; Baroness Murphy | 714 c599-600 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, I want to say a word of clarification and ask a further question. I c...; Earl Howe | 714 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, not least those who have suppo...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 714 c601 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is new Section 52E premised on the idea that the Secretary of State may have information c...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c601 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State will not intervene; he will ask Monitor to consider deauthorisation. The key ...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 11. I shall also...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c604 (Link to this contribution) That this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 11 and do propose Amendments 11A to 11G...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c604 (Link to this contribution) I have spoken to these amendments with Amendment 1. Motion agreed. House resumed. Motion on Amend...; Earl Howe | 714 c589 (Link to this contribution) 1A: Leave out lines 99 to 118; Earl Howe | 714 c589-92 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 1A, as an amendment to Commons Amendment 1. It is perhaps underst...; Baroness Murphy | 714 c592-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak Commons Amendment 1 and Amendment 1A tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe. ...; Lord Warner | 714 c594-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it might help the House if I say a few words as the Minister who took the 2003 Bill throug...; Baroness Barker | 714 c595 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall follow on from the last point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, about times...; Baroness Pitkeathley | 714 c595 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in favour of the Commons amendments; I believe that they will provide more reassur...; Baroness Meacher | 714 c596 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the comments of the noble Earl, Lord Howe. I have been involved in the National ...; Lord Patel | 714 c595-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I require clarification about the current provisions for Monitor’s authority to deauthoris...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c597-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no doubt that the noble Earl is right and that this is not the most satisfactory ...; Lord Crisp | 714 c596 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also speak with sympathy for the position that the noble Earl, Lord Howe is advocating. ...; Earl Howe | 714 c605 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to the Motion, leave out from "House" to end and insert "do disagree with the Common...; Lord Palmer | 714 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, should like to support the noble Earl in his impassioned speech, and particularly ...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a little dilemma. I was present in Committee when the noble Lord, Lord Walton, was ...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 714 c607-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl is, as always, immensely persuasive, and there are very few occasions on wh...; Earl Howe | 714 c606-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in considering the amendments before us, we find ourselves in another somewhat unusual sit...; Lord Monson | 714 c612-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the Motion moved by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for three good reasons. The first...; Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 714 c611-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I see three issues that have come under consideration in this debate. I would not want to ...; Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 714 c611 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may just comment briefly and not delay the House too long, the reason that we had thi...; Lord Naseby | 714 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having listened to a number of noble Lords speak on this amendment, I should like to say t...; Lord Patel | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased that we have an opportunity to accept this government amendment, which will b...; Lord Patel | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) It is an offence now not to use the technology that is—; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) It would be an offence.; Lord Patel | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) It is an offence now not to use available technology such as tokens and infrared signals, but it is ...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) But does the noble Lord accept that, in the event that members of the public took the decision to en...; Lord Naseby | 714 c614 (Link to this contribution) What was the sample size—200 out of the whole pub trade of 120,000 pubs?; Lord Crisp | 714 c613-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as one of those who proposed the original amendment with the noble Lord, Lord Walton, I am...; Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 714 c614-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish that the Government and other people would make up their mind. We have heard this a...; Lord Crisp | 714 c614 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that there could be more than one sample; I believe that the noble Lord has referred to an...; Baroness Barker | 714 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, throughout the deliberations on this Bill, as noble Lords who took part in all of them may...; Lord Naseby | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) This is an important point. The Minister knows as well as I do that the Department of Health’s recen...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c618 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are giving businesses time to deal with the fact that these regulations will be in plac...; Lord Hughes of Woodside | 714 c618 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend, but if the matter is so serious, and if so much damage is being do...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear from today’s debate that protecting young people from harm caused by tobacco i...; Lord Rea | 714 c617 (Link to this contribution) That is a point that other people will probably not agree with, as I do not. One thing that we have...; Lord Hughes of Woodside | 714 c617 (Link to this contribution) Precisely the same argument can be applied to the banning of vending machines—it will produce a new ...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) I do not know the answer to that question and I will certainly let the noble Lord know, but in consi...; Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) Since the industry believes that a lot of people will go out of business, is it the Government’s int...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have consulted consistently with the National Association of Cigarette Machine Operator...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) I have no idea whether people are aware of that. I certainly was aware that this technology had been...; Baroness Golding | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) Would the people in the other House, or people in general, be aware that trading standards have endo...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) I stand corrected by my noble friend and thank him.; Lord Howie of Troon | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) Might I draw my noble friend’s attention to a procedural matter, to which she referred earlier? She ...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) Can I make some progress? My noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours referred to the technology and the e...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) Would my noble friend—; Baroness Thornton | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) I can see why my noble friend is pushing that point but, as I said, it would be very difficult for a...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) On that matter—I want to press this—the issue is whether during the course of the debate—my noble fr...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 714 c621 (Link to this contribution) It is not a summary ban, because it is always recognised by those of us who support the ban, first, ...; Earl Howe | 714 c620-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a good debate and I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part. We h...; Baroness Meacher | 714 c626-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 14A, which seeks to build upon Amendment 14, moved in the other plac...; Baroness Meacher | 714 c626 (Link to this contribution) Amendment to the Motion As an amendment to the motion that this House do agree with the Commons in ...; Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 16.; Baroness Thornton | 714 c604 (Link to this contribution) That this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments 2 to 10. That this House do agree wit...; Lord Hughes of Woodside | 714 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not intend to speak in this debate, but I am afraid that I am torn between two oppos...; Lord Rea | 714 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend says that tobacco should be banned, but he is mistaken if he thinks that t...
Subjects: Health services NHS Ophthalmic services Mental health services NHS foundation trusts Private patients Visual impairment Standards Sales Young people Regulation Tobacco Monitor Vending machines
Legislation: Health Bill (HL) 2008-09
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Health Bill [HL]

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