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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Wednesday, 20 January 2010, in the House of Lords.

Digital Economy Bill [HL]

Digital Economy Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 8 and 9 agreed to. Clause 10 under consideration.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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716 c1009-54,1065-90 
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2009-10
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Department for Business, Innovation and Skills
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Committee stage
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New clauses
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1051 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I also thank the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley, for his contributi...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1051 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the Minister for the amendment. It belongs several clauses earlier in the B...
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Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1050 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment would require the full report to the Secretary of State to cover any educati...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1052 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I entirely understand the noble Lord’s attitude. This amendment will reappear in its prope...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1051-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these sorts of things are very important. The Americans are greatly concerned about networ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1052 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as always, my noble friend makes his point very well. Despite his apology to the Minister,...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1052 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the light of those comments, I shall give an abbreviated response, which in no way indi...
Baroness Buscombe | 716 c1052 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, I should like to express the degree of importance that I attach to ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1053 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, despite my noble friend’s brevity, I should like to say that these amendments go right to ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1052 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 137, which works together with Amendment 135. I think that...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1052 (Link to this contribution) 135: Clause 9, page 12, line 22, leave out "and"
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1053 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the previous amendment the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, rightly mentioned that there is no p...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1053-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, tonight I have been accused of puritanism, as well as of having an easy life—and so it goe...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1050 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 133, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, is interesting. I take the po...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1049 (Link to this contribution) 133: Clause 9, page 12, line 10, after "owners" insert ", OFCOM and the UK Intellectual Property Off...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1049-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a straightforward amendment. New Section 124F(4)(c) refers to, ""a description of ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1049 (Link to this contribution) That is what I care about—that all the money that Ofcom spends on establishing the level of illegal ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c1049 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we will know whether the Act is successful in terms of the extent to which we make progres...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c1048 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Lord says and I will bear in mind the phrase that he used—a few pence. I will ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1048-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lady Buscombe and Lord Lucas for their support and for making my ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1048 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has not answered my question. What work? He need not answer me now, but wil...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c1047 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Baroness says. I have accepted part of the argument, that we are all seeking t...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1047-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am puzzled—to put it politely—about the noble Lord’s reference to large costs. Under sub...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c1048 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord will appreciate the extent to which this Bill puts very significant obligations on Of...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1045-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, and the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, have pointed out the problems...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c1046-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course the Government do not disagree with the sentiments expressed so eloquently by my...
Baroness Buscombe | 716 c1047 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to intervene. That is a very good question. To ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1045 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I entirely support my noble friend’s amendment. To understand what is happening in the mar...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1045 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Lucas, is 100 per cent right. If you do not have a benchmark or starting point,...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1043 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure what our role is, particularly in encouraging people.
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1043 (Link to this contribution) I hope nobody does hang on any of my words. To treat this seriously, I repeat that I am surprised no...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1043 (Link to this contribution) People hang on the Minister’s every word during the course of these debates.
Lord Lucas | 716 c1043-4 (Link to this contribution) That brings us back to Amendment 33, which I am sure the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, remembers b...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1044 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we turn now to the question of how well the provisions set out in Clauses 4 to 9 will work...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1044 (Link to this contribution) 132: Clause 9, page 12, line 7, at end insert— "( ) an assessment of the current level of subscriber...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1044-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for his instructive point. This amendment would ensure that Ofcom monitors w...
Lord Maxton | 716 c1044 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly confused. The noble Lord is, in one sense, talking about downloading, but the amendmen...
Baroness Buscombe | 716 c1045 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. I understand that this would allow, particularly in...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1040-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my noble friend has pointed out, the amendment relates back in part to the actions that...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1040 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. Whether or not it stands up legally, it is a good peg on which to...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1041-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure how the proposed new clause would be of benefit to the people it aims to hel...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1041 (Link to this contribution) This amendment illustrates why we should have started by looking at the whole issue of copyright in ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1041 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I failed to mention one further element. The noble Lord, Lord Howard, is right about solic...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1042-3 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not agree that if subscribers are being harassed the Minister makes a fair point...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1042 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I find the Minister’s logic strange because what is upsetting these people is the failure ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1035 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his confirmation that no technical measure will be imposed until the appeal...
Lord Razzall | 716 c1035-6 (Link to this contribution) Although Amendments 128A and 128B are not in the same group, perhaps I may speak also to them to spe...
Lord Razzall | 716 c1035 (Link to this contribution) 128: Clause 8, page 11, line 21, at end insert— "( ) provision requiring a copyright owner to indemn...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1038-9 (Link to this contribution) 129: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause— "Remedy for groundless threats of copyright in...
Lord Razzall | 716 c1038 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is conventional for the mover of an amendment in Committee to say that he wants to read...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1039 (Link to this contribution) This amendment arose as another attempt to deal with the problem caused by ACS Law and others in the...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1036 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said in response to the previous amendment that all protections were built in...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1036 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Razzall, has identified another loss that might occur to an intereste...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1038 (Link to this contribution) I know that the Minister believes that he understands what he thinks that I said, but I am not sure ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1036-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Razzall, for this grouping, and I shall endeavour to deal with Amendmen...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1032 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 192. We move now to an interesting part of these provision...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1032 (Link to this contribution) 126: Clause 8, page 11, line 17, at end insert "or"
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1035 (Link to this contribution) I have some sympathy with the purpose behind the amendment. Arguably, subscribers are in at least as...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1034 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 195. As the Bill is drafted, both the internet service pro...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1034 (Link to this contribution) 127: Clause 8, page 11, line 21, at end insert— "( ) provisions requiring a copyright owner or inter...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1033-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for saying that he will come back on the matter and for the explanatio...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1033 (Link to this contribution) I said not to Ofcom but to the Consolidated Fund, but let me come back to the noble Lord on that iss...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1033 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. However, if damage and harm have been done, why should the pena...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1033 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 126 and 192 propose the same change in relation to both the initial obligations...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1029 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an interesting idea. I certainly sympathise with the desire to ensure that the cou...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1030 (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords. However, I think that we are letting ourselves in for a situation a few years down th...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1030 (Link to this contribution) 125A: Clause 8, page 11, line 13, at end insert— "( ) It shall be a complete defence against any all...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1030 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have been here before, but I do not feel that I have had an adequate answer. The noble ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1030 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend raised the important issue of the subscriber taking reasonable precautions in the co...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1031 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment is only reasonable. All too often we pass laws that create absolute defence...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1031 (Link to this contribution) As ever, the voice of reason. Following the debate during our second day in Committee on the subject...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1029 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the suggestion of my noble friend is excellent, although putting it into practice may be s...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1029 (Link to this contribution) The amendment seeks to avoid excessive weight being placed on the civil courts. When someone admits ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1028 (Link to this contribution) 124A: Clause 8, page 11, line 13, at end insert— "( ) that under this Act an internet service provid...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1026 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend’s amendment identifies two key areas where evidence of an infringement at ...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1026 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is more important than people may realise—particularly the last part about providing ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1025 (Link to this contribution) 121: Clause 8, page 11, line 9, after "OFCOM" insert— "( ) that that person has, and makes available...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1026 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when a subscriber is faced with an accusation which is technical in nature, he will often ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1028 (Link to this contribution) That depends on where we are. Let us say that a first letter has been sent and an allegation made th...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1026-7 (Link to this contribution) This amendment very properly seeks to ensure that the person responsible for hearing appeals about c...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1027-8 (Link to this contribution) I find it difficult to understand how if I am accused and think myself innocent, I set about demonst...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1024-5 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord protests too much if he is slightly hurt by that. I merely pointed out that we have h...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1024 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister answers, I was trying to be helpful by adding that amendment, so that he would n...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1025 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was a very good answer, and I undertake that when the noble Lord gives good answers, ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1022-3 (Link to this contribution) I have never felt so popular, my Lords. I should like to speak to a rather different mechanism but o...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1023 (Link to this contribution) We are now taking three amendments together, which is very sensible. Having seen at first hand the a...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1023-4 (Link to this contribution) I will take Amendments 120 and 125 together with Amendment 124. Let me make a plea. We have had a nu...
Lord Glenarthur | 716 c1024 (Link to this contribution) On the Minister’s remarks about groupings, although I have not been playing a part in this Bill, I h...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1022 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; I still do not understand what the Minister is trying to tell me. Will he be making a sp...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1022 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the Minister is intending to make a speech that combines both groups, then I shall make...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1022 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord. I meant to say Amendment 124.
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1022 (Link to this contribution) In case there is any misunderstanding, I think that the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, meant Amendm...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1022 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with permission, I should like to take Amendments 120 and 125 together, as they form a log...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1022 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I just inquire of the Minister whether it would be preferable for him to deal with Amendme...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1022 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, that the amendments are very similar. My noble frie...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1020 (Link to this contribution) 120: Clause 8, page 11, line 8, after "is" insert "a properly constituted tribunal under the Tribuna...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1021-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 125. In the context of this part of the Bill, I have a goo...
Lord Razzall | 716 c1012 (Link to this contribution) 117A: Clause 8, page 11, line 4, leave out "sufficiently"
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1012-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have heard that the Committee is not particularly happy with this rather shadowy, possi...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1012 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for giving way. I am told that the body will have the same statutory duties,...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1012 (Link to this contribution) In light of that, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 116A withdrawn. Amendment 117 n...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1011 (Link to this contribution) Proposed new Section 124E(4)(a) refers to, ""including the function of resolving copyright infringem...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1011-2 (Link to this contribution) I said that this was a probing amendment, so I shall withdraw it, but I am not very satisfied with t...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1013 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment would ensure that there was a clear separation between any body appointed to...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1014 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the Minister talks about "sufficiently independent" and bodies set up by Ofcom, that ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1013 (Link to this contribution) Our feelings on this possible extra body have already been made fairly clear, not least in the previ...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1009 (Link to this contribution) 116A: Clause 8, page 11, line 1, leave out from "OFCOM" to end of line 3 and insert "has, under the ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1011 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this hare is gaining more legs as it progresses round the Chamber. The effect of the amen...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1009-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 116A is essentially a probing amendment which raises an important issue; namely,...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1010 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Whitty; many of his comments are very sensible. It is surprising t...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 716 c1010 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what kind of resources will this body have? The Minister will remember that, in answer to ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1018 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my hearing is getting thin, as I thought that the noble Lord referred to prisoners’ appeal...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1018 (Link to this contribution) I think that we indicated that that would be part of the code. I am looking for inspiration from the...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1017-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will first remark on Amendments 118 and 189, in answer to the noble Lord, Lord Clement-J...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1019-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response and thank those who entered the lists during this de...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1020 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to be helpful. We have deliberately said that the 75:25 split is not set in stone. Howev...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 716 c1018-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I may have completely misunderstood but I am still a little confused by listening to these...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1019 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have not described it as a slightly informal appeal process. In fact, we have said the ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1020 (Link to this contribution) I will not dismiss that assurance from the Minister. However, I will point out that, under the order...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1014 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have endeavoured to answer this. We do not see it as limited. We see it as being a body,...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1014 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has used the word "sufficient" in rather a different context, but I am afraid...
Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 716 c1014 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord agree that it might be perfectly possible for a body to be set up, which in the...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1014 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point was made by the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, that it is a person that we are talking ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1015 (Link to this contribution) 118: Clause 8, page 11, line 7, at end insert— "( ) that, on appeal, the burden of proof lies with t...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1015-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 118, I shall speak to Amendments 119, 189 and 190. I hope that the Min...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1016 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord raises some important questions about the appeal process, both the appeal a...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1016-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is important that the subscriber does not have to get into the complicated process of d...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1083-4 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Lucas. Looking into the content of people’s e-mails and o...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1084 (Link to this contribution) Without completely understanding all the technology that has been talked about in the past five minu...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1084 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Lucas, has emphasised and highlighted a point of particular concern about where...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1084 (Link to this contribution) The list of measures in Clause 10(4) is intended to be an illustrative list of the sorts of technica...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1083 (Link to this contribution) It is getting at the process. If, as the Bill states, you are trying to limit, ""gaining access to p...
Lord Maxton | 716 c1083 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, imply from that that someone should not get into my e-mails, for in...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1083 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate even to get to my feet when caught between two people who know so much about what they ar...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1085 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 153 is a simple probing amendment to find out what the Government’s ideas are ab...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1085 (Link to this contribution) What is even more alarming is that more and more people are using image over IP, so you can no longe...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1085 (Link to this contribution) 153: Clause 10, page 13, line 3, after "service" insert "for a defined period of time"
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1085-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, not for the first time my noble friend Lord Lucas has raised an important point. I agree t...
Lord Maxton | 716 c1084 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for that point. I understand that it is quite possible to block a s...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1085 (Link to this contribution) I will try to be helpful to the Minister rather than difficult. One does not want unintended consequ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1085 (Link to this contribution) I urge the Minister not to get too obsessed with the technical points and to remember the fundamenta...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1085 (Link to this contribution) I cannot interpret the indications from the Box; it is like trying to interpret the bookmakers’ tic-...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1086-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, half the thought behind Amendment 154 leaps ahead to Clause 42. Under new Section 116B in ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1087 (Link to this contribution) I was pleased to listen to my noble friend Lord Lucas’s explanation of his Amendment 154. I may be m...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1086 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very happy to respond to the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, and to other noble Lords who hav...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1086 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is interesting that in all the descriptions of technical measures temporary account sus...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1086 (Link to this contribution) 154: Clause 10, page 13, line 3, after "subscriber;" insert— "( ) requires the payment of an additio...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1089-90 (Link to this contribution) 155A: Clause 10, page 13, line 4, at end insert— "( ) A subscriber to an internet access service is ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1088-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not expect the amendment to appeal to the Front Benches. The noble Lord has misinter...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1087-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment suggests that, alongside the sort of technical measures proposed, subscribe...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1087 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not understood the implications of the noble Lord’s amendment when I read it. Howeve...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 716 c1087 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having listened to all this for really quite a long time, I cannot help but say that I tho...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1087 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that this is incredibly sensible. Lawyers tell me that downloading is not illegal ...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1066 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. There could be all sorts of delays or people might want to haste...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1067 (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches entirely agree with my noble friend’s concern that technical measures should not...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1067 (Link to this contribution) I speak to Amendment 143, which is very much consonant with the points made earlier under this group...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1066 (Link to this contribution) There is no end to the Minister’s generosity. On that basis, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1066 (Link to this contribution) 140: Clause 10, page 12, line 35, at beginning insert "After the passage of two calendar years from ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1066 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has set a very encouraging trend and I fully expect to be the beneficiary of ...
Lord Whitty | 716 c1068 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with this amendment we come back to the real strategy here. I declare my interest as chair...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1065 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. I accept his point about confidential information. ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1065 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a simple amendment to ensure proper parliamentary scrutiny of the reports. The Gov...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1065 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a report from Ofcom to the Secretary of State, while not being the only evidence that will...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1054 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am greatly comforted by what the noble Lord said about the Secretary of State. I am sure...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1065 (Link to this contribution) 138: Clause 9, page 12, line 31, at end insert— "( ) The Secretary of State must lay before both Hou...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1066 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley. We believe that he has raised a very constructive ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1066 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this deregulatory amendment seeks to allow the power for the Government to remove quickly ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1066 (Link to this contribution) 139: Clause 9, page 12, line 31, at end insert— "( ) The Secretary of State may by order remove the ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1071 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was a very interesting exchange. As for the comparison that the noble Lord, Lord Clem...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1071 (Link to this contribution) 144: Clause 10, page 12, line 37, at end insert "and report as such to the Secretary of State"
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1071-2 (Link to this contribution) Having heard the last debate, I am not hopeful about these provisions. One needs to be rather more p...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1072-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord makes an important point about the role that Ofcom should play in the recom...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1073 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have already discussed this, or at least the purpose of Clause 10, at some length. The ...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1068-70 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 141 to 143. All these amendments essentially prescribe a minimum pe...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1070 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. I was waiting for the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, to speak. The noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jon...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1070 (Link to this contribution) We have heard much to the effect that it will be a slow process and that these drastic measures will...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1070 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I should conclude therefore—I am sure that the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, will have h...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1070 (Link to this contribution) There is no answer from the Minister because that is right. Presumably—
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1071 (Link to this contribution) For the convenience of the Committee, I repeat what I said at the very end of my remarks. This claus...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1070 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, those of us who wish to see this Bill pass, subject to a number of amendments, find what t...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1078-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group contains an interesting collage of amendments from the Secretary of State. Perh...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1076-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 148A, 155A, 177B and 206A have been tabled by my noble friend Lord Mandelson in...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1076 (Link to this contribution) 148A: Clause 10, page 12, line 43, leave out "particular" and insert "some or all relevant"
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1078 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak briefly. For some reason, Amendment 180 was not put in this group. However, t...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1076 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to tell the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, that I can offer him rather more ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1076 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, all I can say is that I am deeply touched by the Minister’s sympathy. I very much look for...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1076 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that the proposed positioning of this measure in the Bill is exactly correct...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1076 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches entirely agree with the noble Lord. This would be a sensible requireme...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1075 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment would be a fairly straightforward addition to the provisions of Clause 10. ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1075 (Link to this contribution) 148: Clause 10, page 12, line 40, at end insert— "( ) Any technical obligations imposed must be acco...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1074-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that the Minister’s reply has only served to emphasise the concerns that we al...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1073-4 (Link to this contribution) Let me try to reassure the noble Lord. Preparations will not in any way short-circuit the requiremen...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1073 (Link to this contribution) I am giving the Minister a bit of a rest. I am grateful to him for giving way. I cannot remember wha...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1082 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the Minister. Discretion is the better part of valour in that respect. To c...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1082 (Link to this contribution) This brings us straight back to the last point that the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, was addressi...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1081 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the Minister does not feel able to answer my questions now, I will happily bring them b...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1081 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I apologise—I missed a sheet of paper that had been handed to...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1082 (Link to this contribution) It is a very helpful beginning, on the other hand, and I thank the noble Lord for it. Particularly i...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c1080 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and his colleague, the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, are right to...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1080 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I would also investigate how the Government thought they would have a technical measu...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1080 (Link to this contribution) As a rider to the amendments, I am fascinated to know what sort of measures the Government propose t...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c1081 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall take these amendments together as they each have the effect of changing the scope ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1080 (Link to this contribution) In the absence of my noble friend Lady Miller, I am moving Amendment 150 and will speak to Amendment...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1079 (Link to this contribution) 150: Clause 10, page 12, leave out lines 45 and 46
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c1079 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, for his support for the amendments and ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c1049 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point is that, if traffic doubles, how do you know whether it is because of a vast inc...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1054 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not quite sure what the Minister is saying. Is he saying that this is what the Secret...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1031-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is describing a cumulative effect—all kinds of little ways in which Ofcom will not se...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c1070 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may take advantage of Committee stage rules, because this is extremely important...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1051 (Link to this contribution) 134: Clause 9, page 12, line 12, at end insert— "( ) an assessment of the measures needed to encoura...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1081 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on that note, I thank the Minister for his reply—
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c1053 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel that I barely need to speak to my amendment, such has been the brevity of the previ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1028 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we will certainly return to this on Report, because the noble Lord has not answered my que...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1086 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that clarification and education, and I beg leave to withdraw the amendm...
Lord Maxton | 716 c1079 (Link to this contribution) I am feeling rather confused by all this. It seems that, quite rightly, we are trying to bring about...
Lord Lucas | 716 c1082 (Link to this contribution) 152: Clause 10, page 13, line 2, at end insert "(but any such measure may not involve the reconstruc...
Subjects
Access Codes of practice Appeals Broadcasting Costs Competition Computer networks Copyright Communication Fees and charges ICT Internet Ofcom Tribunals Subscriptions Internet service providers
Legislation
Digital Economy Bill (HL) 2009-10
Link
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