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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 9 February 2010, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Myners.

Terrorist Asset-Freezing (Temporary Provisions) Bill

Terrorist Asset-Freezing (Temporary Provisions) Bill. Lords second reading debate. Agreed to on question and committed to a Committee of the Whole House. Committee stage. Clauses 1-3 agreed. Bill reported without amendment. Bill read a third time and passed.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
717 c612-34,717 c660-89,717 c724 
Session
2009-10
Department
Treasury
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Third reading
Report stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Pannick | 717 c624 (Link to this contribution) Other justices took the same point. Indeed, it was fundamental to the judgment because the United Na...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 717 c624 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is obviously more familiar with the judgment than I am, but am I right in thinking th...
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Baroness Hamwee | 717 c626-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start on a positive note by thanking the Government for keeping these Benches informed a...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 717 c624-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are faced with a difficult situation, as the noble Lords, Lord Pannick and Lord Myners,...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c618-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for introducing this Bill. Let me say at the outset that these Benche...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 717 c620 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Baroness kindly give way? I am most grateful. The point that she made about the deci...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c620-2 (Link to this contribution) From memory, it was not a unanimous decision: there was criticism of some aspects of it. However, I ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 717 c618 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps I may ask for information on one point which I do not entir...
Lord Myners | 717 c618 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the noble and learned Lord is correct, but that we can no longer place dependants on ...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c660-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our Amendment 1 is grouped with Amendment 1A. Our first amendment would bring the end of t...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c660 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out ““31 December”” and insert ““31 July””
Lord Myners | 717 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) The parliamentary experience of the noble Lord, Lord King, once again shines forth for the benefit o...
Lord Myners | 717 c629-32 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a stimulating debate, one that I approached with considerable trepidation gi...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 717 c632 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister says on retrospection. Am I right in thinking, as the noble and learned Lor...
Earl of Onslow | 717 c629 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for not being here for the first part of the debate, but I was taking part in ...
Lord Myners | 717 c633 (Link to this contribution) I do not have a date for Second Reading now, but I will certainly use my good offices to encourage t...
Lord King of Bridgwater | 717 c633 (Link to this contribution) I thought that there was an old convention in this House that nobody should seek to anticipate the Q...
Lord Myners | 717 c632-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, for his intervention. I will no doubt reflect on that question...
Lord Pannick | 717 c633 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for that response, but can the Minister give us any indication of when proceeding...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c666 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to press the Minister, but he said that he expected that this would happen. Surely the Go...
Lord Myners | 717 c666 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that whether a Joint Committee is established is a matter for both Houses to ...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c661-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my Amendment 1A is in this group, and as the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, said, it would r...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 717 c663-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is an overwhelming case for the sunset clause to last at least as long as 31 Decembe...
Lord Pannick | 717 c664 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take a different view from that of the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan. We are being ask...
Lord Myners | 717 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we believe that 31 December is the right deadline to set for the expiry of this temporary ...
Lord Pannick | 717 c665 (Link to this contribution) Why would pre-legislative scrutiny take three months? It would not take your Lordships’ Constitution...
Lord Myners | 717 c665 (Link to this contribution) Pre-legislative scrutiny requires us to consult widely with a broad group of people who will be affe...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 717 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is worth mentioning that, ordinarily, if the pre-legislative scrutiny were to be done b...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c666 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what are the Government’s intentions towards pre-legislative scrutiny? Do they intend to s...
Lord Myners | 717 c612-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Terrorist Asset-Freezing (Temporary Provisions) Bill makes provision for the temporary...
Lord Myners | 717 c614-8 (Link to this contribution) I note the observation from the noble Lord, Lord King. Matters relating to serious organised crime a...
Lord King of Bridgwater | 717 c614 (Link to this contribution) When that fuller Bill is considered in the House, will it take account of the fact that, while this ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c676 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to give the noble Baroness a short and pithy response if it assists her. However, I ...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c676-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment does not seek to truncate the parliamentary process. We have already dealt w...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not given notice that I wish to speak on whether Clause 2 should stand part of the ...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c675 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I accept what the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, has said about the advantages of the 2001 A...
Lord Pannick | 717 c675 (Link to this contribution) I respectfully agree with the noble Baroness’s observations. Parliamentary approval was given to Sec...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c675 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, once again we have had an interesting debate that shows clearly why we need to do more wor...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c674 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble and learned Baroness for that. I thought that was what I heard during Second Readi...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c674 (Link to this contribution) 6D: Leave out Clause 1 and insert the following new Clause— ““Amendments to the Anti-Terrorism, Crim...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) This amendment would replace the first clause of the Bill with a provision applying the relevant sec...
Lord Pannick | 717 c682 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments requiring regular reports to Parliament for the reasons given by the noble ...
Lord Myners | 717 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 8 requires quarterly reporting by the Treasury to Parliament on the exercise of ...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c680-1 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 9. The noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, has Amendment 11A in this group....
Baroness Noakes | 717 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment 11A in this group and, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, explained, my ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c680 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her elegant filibustering. I shall read the note out: ““The...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c680 (Link to this contribution) 8: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause— ““Report on operation of Act (1) Within 28 days ...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c679 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is right that a letter is inappropriate in these circumstances. I am sure that if...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c679 (Link to this contribution) I have to confess to the noble Baroness that having had intimidate dealings with the Bill only today...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c679 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Baroness for that. Writing to me may not be a particularly g...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 717 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) First, I will make a small technical point. Clause 1(2)(d) refers to the Terrorism (United Nations M...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c666-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness and others are not persuaded by my July date and I am not persuaded by ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 717 c667 (Link to this contribution) 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, after ““following”” insert ““purported””
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 717 c667-9 (Link to this contribution) In moving this amendment, I will speak also to Amendments 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 that are grouped with it...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c669 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, has made a good case for the amendments in this group. I will...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 717 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, makes a number of points with which I have very c...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 717 c670 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I could ask the noble Lord about Amendment 7. The Bill extends to Scotland, but I ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 717 c670 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes a valid point. Fortunately we have a Report stage at which all these matters ca...
Lord Pannick | 717 c670 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I share the concern of the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, about whether today, in debating t...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c672 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could ask a question which follows on from what the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, has asked...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) I can clear this up. The noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, says that she seeks, by these amendments, to p...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c672 (Link to this contribution) 6A: Page 1, line 17, leave out ““and further directions may be made””
Baroness Noakes | 717 c672 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 6C. These amendments concern the further directions which the Govern...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c673 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 6B adds the words, "““after the date that this Act comes into force””," at the end of Cla...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) I can reassure the noble Baroness that the amendment is unnecessary as Clause 1 already provides for...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c673 (Link to this contribution) I am entirely satisfied with what the noble and learned Baroness has said. I beg leave to withdraw t...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c671 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I respectfully agree with the comments made by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay. Th...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 717 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I refuse to accept any criticism on the drafting or principles because the Bill was publis...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c688-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that. It is clear from the Supreme Court judgment that it has taken the ...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c689 (Link to this contribution) That, as I said, is the scheme described at some length in the Minister’s Statement on 5 February. O...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c689 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to affirm that. The licensing provisions and process that operated under the ol...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c683 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister was very interesting on the subject of the Treasury’s quarterly report. Will ...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c683 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could put the question in a different way. Is there a current statutory requirement for th...
Lord Myners | 717 c683 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that the noble and learned Lord’s analysis is correct. We put this into the new Bill becau...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 717 c683 (Link to this contribution) It occurs to me that the previous orders may well contain a statutory obligation to report, although...
Lord Myners | 717 c684 (Link to this contribution) I would never want the noble Baroness to believe that I relied solely on, ““Trust me, I’m the Govern...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c683 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is desirable for there to be a report on the things that have been done under the previ...
Lord Myners | 717 c684 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right reverend Prelate for his contribution.
Lord Sentamu | 717 c684 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister answer the question asked by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay? Did the orde...
Lord Pannick | 717 c684 (Link to this contribution) I must press the Minister on this matter, because I am puzzled by his position. Many statutes impose...
Lord Myners | 717 c684 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; I stand most corrected. We do not currently have a statutory requirement, but we made a ...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c685 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has taken a turn which I did not quite expect. As regards Amendment 9, I take the poi...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c685 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, decides what to do with her amendment, perhaps I may say tha...
Lord Myners | 717 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) I hope noble Lords will take great comfort from the fact that we have been reporting to Parliament s...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c688 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I assure the noble Baroness that the Government share the concerns that she has expressed,...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c687-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 11. These are my last two amendments in Committee. The fi...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c687 (Link to this contribution) 10: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause— ““Reasonable domestic expenses (1) The Terroris...
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c685-7 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the ““hear, hear”” will be recorded in Hansard. This proposal seems a very proper, sensi...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 717 c679 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very happy to do that. I am looking at the Box and I think my civil servants are conf...
Lord Pannick | 717 c622-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the judgment of the Supreme Court established three principles which the House will wish t...
Lord Myners | 717 c666 (Link to this contribution) I have already indicated to the Committee that my expectation is that we will issue a call for evide...
Baroness Noakes | 717 c673 (Link to this contribution) 6B: Page 1, line 23, at end insert ““after the date that this Act comes into force””
Lord Myners | 717 c612 (Link to this contribution) That the Bill be read a second time.
Baroness Hamwee | 717 c676 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is not the first time in the proceedings on this Bill that that point has been made. ...
Lord Myners | 717 c683 (Link to this contribution) Quarterly reporting is appropriate; it happens once every 90 days and keeps Parliament fully informe...
Subjects
Disclosure of information Appeals Assets Channel Islands Finance Licensing EU law Judgements Terrorism United Nations Supreme Court Time limits UN resolutions Freezing of assets Sunset clauses
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