Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Tuesday, 11 January 2011, in the House of Lords.
Public Bodies Bill [HL]
Public Bodies Bill (HL). Lords committee stage (sixth day). Schedule 1 amendments considered.
Secondary information
- Type
- Parliamentary proceeding
- Reference
- 723 c1295-329, c1338-59, c1372-94
- Session
- 2010-12
- Legislative stage
- Committee stage
- Chamber / Committee
- House of Lords chamber
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Public Bodies Bill (HL). Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 25-EN).
Thursday, 28 October 2010
Bills
House of Lords
- Proceeding contributions
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Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 723 c1309 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, perhaps I may first confirm that there will be discussions tomorrow. ...
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Baroness Rawlings | 723 c1347 (Link to this contribution) With respect to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, I have just said that the FLA will not be abolished until...
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Lord Mawhinney | 723 c1346 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend said that she is planning, on behalf of the Government, to discuss with interested p...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1310-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord McNally, on that quick pass to the noble Lord, Lord Ta...
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Lord Woolf | 723 c1300-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a while since I first addressed the House with regard to this Bill. I start my prese...
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Lord Whitty | 723 c1377-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend’s amendment. The way in which she has constructed her a...
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Lord McNally | 723 c1309 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one of the advantages of having Hansard and of having my noble friend Lord Taylor sitting ...
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Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 723 c1392-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the speakers who have been impressive, if not overwhelming, for me today. They inc...
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Baroness Wilcox | 723 c1388-92 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an amazing debate. I knew that it would take some time, but I hope that the ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1295-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 31 on behalf of my noble friend Lord Bach, I intend also to speak to o...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1295 (Link to this contribution) 31: Schedule 1, page 16, line 24, leave out ““Courts boards.””
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 723 c1356 (Link to this contribution) If the Advisory Council on Libraries is allowed to continue, it may be about to have its finest hour...
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Viscount Falkland | 723 c1355-6 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the noble Baroness on her interesting probing amendment. Over the years, I have sp...
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Baroness Whitaker | 723 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 41 is intended to be a probing amendment. The Advisory Council on Libraries deve...
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Baroness Whitaker | 723 c1354 (Link to this contribution) 41: Schedule 1, page 17, line 4, leave out ““Library Advisory Council for England.””
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 723 c1356-8 (Link to this contribution) It is with a degree of trepidation that I rise to speak on issues of libraries, particularly with my...
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Lord Grantchester | 723 c1352 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I compliment the speakers this evening on giving their thoughts on the Inland Waterways Ad...
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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 723 c1354 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I am sure that the members of the IWAC will have been...
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Lord Henley | 723 c1353-4 (Link to this contribution) The Government will always need to have a policy on these and a great deal of other matters, but pol...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 723 c1353 (Link to this contribution) I do not understand. Did my noble friend say that after the British Waterways Board is made an indep...
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Lord Henley | 723 c1352-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we will come to the final point made by the noble Lord, Lord Grantchester, when we get to ...
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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 723 c1349 (Link to this contribution) 39: Schedule 1, page 17, line 2, leave out ““Inland Waterways Advisory Council.””
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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 723 c1348-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her attempt to answer the debate. I have to say that this bit of ...
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Lord Berkeley | 723 c1350-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lord Faulkner in this amendment. He has outlined the rol...
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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 723 c1349-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is something a little different. The purpose of Amendment 39 is to remove the Inland ...
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Lord Whitty | 723 c1351-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will pick up from where the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, has just left off. I have a past ...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 723 c1351 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment and have little to add to what the noble Lords, Lord Faulkner of ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1347 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, no date is given as to when bodies are to be abolished. Schedule 1 sets out the bodies whe...
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Baroness Rawlings | 723 c1348 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Greaves for his questions. The savings are not a number one priority in...
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Lord Greaves | 723 c1347-8 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord tells us whether he is prepared to do that, perhaps I may just pick up on a co...
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Baroness Rawlings | 723 c1347 (Link to this contribution) That part of the Bill will be looked at later, as I have said. With its important functions, it is n...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1346-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes, it is Schedule 5; I would like to see Schedule 7 removed from the Bill. It is very difficult to...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1346 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must say that this is a bit of a puzzle because Schedule 1 lists the bodies where power ...
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Baroness Rawlings | 723 c1346 (Link to this contribution) The FLA is not being abolished. I would not like to take any decisions with great rapidity at the Di...
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Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 723 c1346 (Link to this contribution) Leaving aside for a moment the wisdom or otherwise of abolishing the body before what is going to ha...
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Baroness Rawlings | 723 c1346 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Mawhinney for that question. As he would know, having been a distinguis...
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Baroness Rawlings | 723 c1345-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Faulkner of Worcester, and the noble Baroness, Lady Taylor of...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1344-5 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend raises a most important point. Even if you take Carlisle United, with the dedication...
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Lord Clark of Windermere | 723 c1343-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is very perceptive. I am just about to deal with those points. I compliment him on th...
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Lord Mawhinney | 723 c1343 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord. He knows my declarable interest and he also knows the very hig...
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Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 723 c1344 (Link to this contribution) While my noble friend is on this point and talking about the future, does he agree with the comments...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1344 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure we are all grateful to my noble friends Lord Faulkner of Worcester and Lady Tayl...
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Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 723 c1340-1 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend and have attached my name to Amendments 37 and 91. Over recent weeks, sinc...
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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 723 c1338-9 (Link to this contribution) In moving the amendment, I shall speak to Amendment 91, which is grouped with Amendment 37. Both ame...
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Lord Clark of Windermere | 723 c1342-3 (Link to this contribution) I intervene briefly to support the amendment of my noble friends Lord Faulkner and Lady Taylor of Bo...
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Lord Greaves | 723 c1341-2 (Link to this contribution) I should follow the noble Baroness by admitting that I, too, spend more of my time than is good for ...
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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 723 c1338 (Link to this contribution) 37: Schedule 1, page 16, line 31, leave out ““Football Licensing Authority.””
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Baroness Thornton | 723 c1329 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that Answer. I assure him that we are in agreement about not adding the FSA...
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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 723 c1328-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, for tabling this amendment. I know that she has...
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Lord Freud | 723 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments would remove the Disability Living Allowance Advisory Board and t...
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Lord Newton of Braintree | 723 c1321 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord responds, I do not want to make too much trouble, but I must say that I did no...
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Lord Freud | 723 c1322 (Link to this contribution) I ought to respond to that, especially to the creator of the board. The core point is that these adv...
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Lord Knight of Weymouth | 723 c1320 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. Can he tell us how much he is saving by getting rid of it?
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Lord Freud | 723 c1320-1 (Link to this contribution) This is not a change being made with any view to making savings because I think that this board does...
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Baroness Thornton | 723 c1323-6 (Link to this contribution) I realise that putting down an amendment to add something to this hotchpotch Bill may seem perverse ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1326-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Thornton for raising three very substantive matters ...
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 723 c1322-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who spoke in this short but well informed debate. I am do...
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Baroness Thornton | 723 c1323 (Link to this contribution) 36A: Schedule 1, page 16, line 30, at end insert— ““Food Standards Agency.””
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Lord Low of Dalston | 723 c1316-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to say a few words about these two amendments. In so doing, I declare my int...
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Lord Knight of Weymouth | 723 c1315-6 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments in my name and that of my noble friend Lord McKenzie. There is not much tha...
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Lord McNally | 723 c1309 (Link to this contribution) That now puts me 3:2 up as regards interventions by the noble Lord, Lord Newton—by that I mean that ...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 723 c1311 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may speak briefly to Amendment 40. I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Newton, tha...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 723 c1311 (Link to this contribution) We are, of course, on Amendment 31. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 31 withdrawn. ...
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 723 c1311 (Link to this contribution) 33: Schedule 1, page 16, line 26, leave out ““Disability Living Allowance Advisory Board.””
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 723 c1311-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendment 34. These two amendments start life as probing amendments....
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Baroness Turner of Camden | 723 c1314-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendments and speak as someone with recent experience of the ...
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Lord Newton of Braintree | 723 c1315 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not thought of declaring my disability as an interest but, in view of what the noble...
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Lord Newton of Braintree | 723 c1309 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the troublemaker, or one of them, it would be churlish of me not to acknowledge that I ...
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Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 723 c1309 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry but that answer is not compatible with the general approach of this Government and previo...
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Lord McNally | 723 c1304-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, said that this Bill was a hospital pass. If anyone wants ...
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Lord McNally | 723 c1309 (Link to this contribution) Like the seventh cavalry coming over the hill, my noble friend Lord Taylor nudged me to say that the...
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Lord Newton of Braintree | 723 c1302-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that I cannot claim, like the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf, not to have ...
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Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 723 c1303-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have to keep it in mind that, at this stage, the Bill seeks to confer powers and does n...
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Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 723 c1301-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, that I was not able to be here to hear his speec...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 723 c1298-300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support Amendment 40, which refers to Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Court Admini...
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Baroness Deech | 723 c1384 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is, of course, right. It seems to me, as a consumer, that the need for individual...
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Lord Berkeley | 723 c1384 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Baroness aware that the Passengers’ Council is included in Schedule 7, and is therefore...
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Baroness Deech | 723 c1383-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak with no expertise but as a down-trodden consumer, which is probably how many peopl...
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Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 723 c1384 (Link to this contribution) I remind the noble Baroness that the National Consumer Council did not give, and was not created to ...
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Baroness Rawlings | 723 c1358-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree totally with the noble Baroness, Lady Whitaker, and all noble Lords who have spoke...
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Baroness Whitaker | 723 c1359 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who spoke and to the Minister for her detailed explanatio...
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Lord Borrie | 723 c1381-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment proposed by my noble friends Lady Hayter and Lord Whitty. I have k...
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Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 723 c1372 (Link to this contribution) 43: Schedule 1, page 17, line 7, leave out ““National Consumer Council (““Consumer Focus””).””
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Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 723 c1372-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, although I now have no involvement with Consumer Focus, I was on the National Consumer Cou...
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Lord Young of Norwood Green | 723 c1387-8 (Link to this contribution) As a number of my noble friends have said, there are real concerns about the viability of the coalit...
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Lord Greaves | 723 c1392 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister waxed lyrical and fluently about a vision in which services were concentrated...
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Baroness Deech | 723 c1384 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes a good point. I am a long suffering commuter and I will not bore the House with...
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Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c1384-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an authoritative debate which has brought into the discussion on the future ...
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Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 723 c1386 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is almost bound to have to add that the Department of Prices and Consumer Affairs wa...
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Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c1386 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend must have been momentarily nodding during the part of my speech in which I referred ...
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Lord Greaves | 723 c1386 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if we are now going into history, it should be put on record that the inflation rate, whic...
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Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c1386 (Link to this contribution) I am not trying to resurrect history tonight, but merely to call in aid some of the relevant factors...
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Lord Liddle | 723 c1386-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I support the amendment. We have had an excellent debate. I cannot believe that t...
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Baroness Wilcox | 723 c1392 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, late though the hour is, that is a very good question. The consultation that we will have ...
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- Cost effectiveness Closures Food Standards Agency Powers Non-departmental public bodies Reorganisation Local courts boards Football Licensing Authority Inland Waterways Advisory Council Consumer Focus Disability Living Allowance Advisory Board Advisory Council on Libraries
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