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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 8 February 2011, in the House of Lords.

Energy Bill [HL]

Energy Bill (HL). Lords committee stage (sixth day). New clauses considered and withdrawn. Some amendments considered. Clauses 98-105 agreed. Schedule 3 agreed. Bill report with an amendment. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
725 c35-76GC 
Session
2010-12
Department
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Related items
Energy Bill (HL). As amended in Grand Committee.
Tuesday, 8 February 2011
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 725 c42GC (Link to this contribution) I imagine that this will be part of the electricity market review. We cannot keep adding more subsid...
Lord Whitty | 725 c44-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, said on the previous amendment, it is clearly the general...
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Lord Grantchester | 725 c40GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for tabling his amendment today, as both he and I me...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 725 c58GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak—or not, as the case may be. One of the oddities of procedure in your Lordships’ Hous...
Lord Marland | 725 c55GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for this amendment because it provoked my noble friend Lord Jenkin to use th...
Lord Teverson | 725 c35GC (Link to this contribution) 35: After Clause 97, insert the following new Clause— ““Geothermal power (1) Within eighteen months ...
Lord Geddes | 725 c35GC (Link to this contribution) I must advise the Committee, as is usual on these occasions, that if there is a Division in the Cham...
Lord Marland | 725 c41GC (Link to this contribution) Giving it a ROC is an incentive to use it. This means that it is in a totally different category fro...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 725 c41-2GC (Link to this contribution) Following on from that question, will the Minister confirm that, if there turns out to be a need for...
Lord Grantchester | 725 c42GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord mentioned two ROCs as a subsidy to the industry. My understanding from submissions I ...
Lord Marland | 725 c42GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure that all industries are keen to upgrade the amount of ROCs that they get, but we consider ...
Lord Marland | 725 c42GC (Link to this contribution) May I deal with one question at a time? I cannot multi-task, like women. That will appear in Hansard...
Lord Oxburgh | 725 c42GC (Link to this contribution) To answer a couple of points raised by the right reverend Prelate, I should say that 25 years is a p...
Lord Marland | 725 c42GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes a good point. We have been looking at this matter very carefully for the past m...
Lord Whitty | 725 c44GC (Link to this contribution) 36: After Clause 98, insert the following new Clause— ““Secretary of State not to grant petroleum li...
Lord Oxburgh | 725 c43GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. To repeat, 25 to 35 years is a plausible length of time for a field such as this to oper...
Lord Teverson | 725 c43GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. I should like to follow through on a cou...
Lord Whitty | 725 c46GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed. Many of those jobs have the skills that will be required in renewable technologies as well. ...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 725 c45GC (Link to this contribution) Is the basis for this amendment that somehow it is preferable for us to have offshore wind rather th...
Lord Whitty | 725 c45GC (Link to this contribution) I think it is just as well that the MP for Grangemouth does not determine our energy policy. It is i...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 725 c46-7GC (Link to this contribution) I was not going to speak on this amendment, but I have to say that there is a lot of water up in the...
Bishop of Chester | 725 c39GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in principle we are surely all in favour of this technology playing a part in our energy p...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c39-40GC (Link to this contribution) I support one of the points made by the right reverend Prelate. I am sure that the principle underli...
Lord Oxburgh | 725 c38GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a difficult question to answer at the moment; we would be in a better position to ...
Lord Judd | 725 c38-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like unreservedly to congratulate those who tabled this amendment, which makes a g...
Lord Oxburgh | 725 c37GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to support the amendment, to which I put my name, and I support everything that...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 725 c37-8GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Lord can help me. I understand exactly where he is going on the protection of the ...
Lord Teverson | 725 c35-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we come to a specific issue here, which is around one of the older renewable technologies ...
Bishop of Chester | 725 c41GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, I want to press one of the points I made. Imagine an electricity gene...
Lord Marland | 725 c40-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, welcome back to what I hope will be the last day of our Committee stage. I also welcome ba...
Lord Deben | 725 c73GC (Link to this contribution) I said a number of things, but I do not think I said that this is the wrong Bill. It seems perfectly...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c72-3GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. She knows that I have the highest regard for her. But can I take it one by one...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c73GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rather cut short my thanks to the noble Baroness, Lady Northover, but she will perhaps f...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c72GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank everyone who has spoken, not least the Minister, for a very positive and helpful c...
Baroness Northover | 725 c72GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the noble Lord by pointing out that you have to look at an impact assessment of e...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 725 c69-70GC (Link to this contribution) It is not often that I express thanks for the result of the last general election, but I do on this ...
Baroness Northover | 725 c71-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we come back to the heart of the Bill at its conclusion. At the very start, my noble frien...
Lord Judd | 725 c69GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with my noble friend that our noble friend has opened up huge issues, but does he not agree ...
Lord Whitty | 725 c69GC (Link to this contribution) It is a public good, but public goods also have a price, and somebody has to bear that price. The pu...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c73-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am pleased about that. It may have been the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, and as he is not here, h...
Baroness Maddock | 725 c74-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be very brief. I cannot let this moment pass. Clause 102 comes under the heading of...
Baroness Northover | 725 c58-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to have been assigned this clause stand part debate, because therefore I am...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 725 c58GC (Link to this contribution) I understand from the impact statement on this that some possible competition issues will need to be...
Lord Judd | 725 c57GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that encouraging and warm response. I am sure it will be noted by everybody...
Baroness Northover | 725 c59GC (Link to this contribution) To clarify, this is not an extra responsibility. It extends the powers of the Coal Authority. This w...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 725 c59GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness who I think has taken on board my comments about Sched...
Baroness Northover | 725 c59GC (Link to this contribution) I confirm that Clause 101 mirrors the clause and extends the powers to Scotland, so I hope that it i...
Duke of Montrose | 725 c59GC (Link to this contribution) It is nice to have an explanation given as to how the powers will affect England and Wales. It will ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c59-62GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, expenditure on energy in Britain before tax is now about £76 billion. With tax, it is abou...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c59GC (Link to this contribution) 37A: After Clause 101, insert the following new Clause— ““PART 4A Energy revenues and taxes: price e...
Lord Teverson | 725 c62GC (Link to this contribution) In terms of home energy costs, surely price elasticity is directly related to the income group that ...
Lord Teverson | 725 c63GC (Link to this contribution) I say this as a really serious point. One of the biggest obscenities in this country is that people ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c62GC (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord is wrong. On reading the literature, heating is inelastic is because peo...
Baroness Noakes | 725 c64-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the principle behind the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Lea of Cronda...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c63-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am comparing the price elasticity of home heating with the price elasticity of petrol for your car...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 725 c66GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I might intervene after my two noble friends, partly because I would like to introduce a lit...
Lord Deben | 725 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution) I oppose the amendment, first, because it suggests that the Treasury will be able to do things that ...
Bishop of Chester | 725 c67GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, whether one takes the view that current government policies will lead to an unpleasant, un...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 725 c67GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not need to go back to the beginning. My point was that I was paying one shilling and...
Lord Whitty | 725 c67-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I broadly support the thrust of these amendments. It seems to me that there are four separ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 725 c47-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, is absolutely right. The more I have looked into this, the m...
Lord Oxburgh | 725 c47GC (Link to this contribution) In the interests of reducing internecine strife, I think the prospects of serious incompatibility he...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 725 c54GC (Link to this contribution) I have words of comfort for the noble Baroness. I have on previous occasions said that I totally sha...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 725 c53GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a probing amendment. It may help the Minister to know that I am just seeking some ...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 725 c53GC (Link to this contribution) 36A: Clause 99, page 75, line 31, leave out subsection (2)
Lord Whitty | 725 c52-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister and everybody who took part in what was a rather wider debate than I ...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 725 c50-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that noble Lords will forgive me for not standing up because I may fall over. I tha...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c49-50GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, now that the point has been put in terms of a mechanism, I begin by not having any knowled...
Baroness Parminter | 725 c48-9GC (Link to this contribution) I support the principle of creating a level playing field, to which the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, ref...
Lord Judd | 725 c48GC (Link to this contribution) In the cause of cohesion on this side of the Committee, might I say that it has been very intoxicati...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 725 c54-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one thing that has struck me about this House is that although we often talk about scrutin...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 725 c55GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 36A withdrawn. Clause 99 agreed. Amendment 37 ...
Lord Marland | 725 c57GC (Link to this contribution) I note what my noble friend Lord Deben says. If we are going to look at the national parks and what ...
Lord Deben | 725 c57GC (Link to this contribution) My experience of working with the national parks was not anything like as cheerful as that presented...
Lord Judd | 725 c55-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must say how grateful I am for the cross-party support and indeed the support of my own ...
Lord Judd | 725 c55GC (Link to this contribution) 37: After Clause 99, insert the following new Clause— ““Bodies able to produce and supply renewable ...
Lord Marland | 725 c57GC (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I quite caught the end of that last sentence. Perhaps it is best that I did not. ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 725 c56-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I am surprised that my noble friend is surprised that the Front Bench has signed th...
Baroness Northover | 725 c51-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government are committed to a rapid increase in offshore wind deployment to maintain a...
Lord Marland | 725 c42GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot confirm the costs on the consumer at this early stage of the procedure. However, I can conf...
Subjects
Conservation Housing Licensing Energy Heating Exploration Prices Offshore industry National park authorities Renewable energy Taxation Wind power Broads Authority Coal Authority Geothermal power
Legislation
Energy Bill (HL) 2010-12
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