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Scotland Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

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524 c665-746 

Session

2010-12

Department

Scotland Office

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Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

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House of Commons chamber

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Scotland Bill. Explanatory notes also published (Bill 115-EN).
Tuesday, 30 November 2010
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Proceeding contributions

Tom Greatrex | 524 c688 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 11 and new clause 7 are probing amendments regarding the potential for elections to happen...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c688 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State, who is no longer in his place, might well be thinking about how long he migh...

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Tom Greatrex | 524 c683 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting start to the Committee. The Minister will have heard the concern of Membe...

David Mundell | 524 c683 (Link to this contribution) Given the hon. Gentleman's thorough research into all matters on which he speaks, I am sure he has r...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c687-8 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Tom Greatrex | 524 c687 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 11, page 3, leave out lines 4 and 5.

Pete Wishart | 524 c682 (Link to this contribution) What extra value does the Scotland Office bring to elections in Scotland?

Stewart Hosie | 524 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that the SNP declined to take part in Calman. He will, I am sure, want to confirm ...

Stewart Hosie | 524 c682 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is doing a stoical job in trying to defend the indefensible, but the right hon. Member ...

David Mundell | 524 c682 (Link to this contribution) I do not know why I should be surprised at the SNP's voting against more powers for the Scottish Par...

Viscount Thurso | 524 c682 (Link to this contribution) The point at issue is whether the Scottish Parliament should have the right to make those decisions....

David Mundell | 524 c682 (Link to this contribution) I note the hon. Gentleman's comments, but I believe that we can all play a role in ensuring that it ...

David Mundell | 524 c682 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady's comments, those of my hon. Friend the Member for Epping Forest and others will...

Anne McGuire | 524 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) I fear that the Minister may have missed my point. I recognise his legal and technical argument that...

David Mundell | 524 c681 (Link to this contribution) I trust the Parliament of Scotland to set its own rules for the elections in 2015 or 2016. That is w...

Anne McGuire | 524 c681 (Link to this contribution) Would not it be a clear declaration of intent by the House to the returning officers that we expect ...

David Mundell | 524 c681 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will recognise that since it was first suggested that few overnight counts would ...

Ian Davidson | 524 c681 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister believe that it is right that elected Members of Parliament should have to lobby a...

David Mundell | 524 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) The Government are looking forward to the debate in the Scottish Parliament later this week when it ...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c680 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister is saying, but does he not agree that the best way to ensure that overnight...

David Mundell | 524 c680-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady cannot have heard me say that the amendment would not apply to the 2011 election. I am...

David Mundell | 524 c681 (Link to this contribution) From the hon. Lady's experience of the Scotland Office, she will know that this is a debate not abou...

Pete Wishart | 524 c679 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that it is not only the case that the SNP found the Bill in its ...

Pete Wishart | 524 c679 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman's colleague, the Secretary of State of State for Scotland, has said to me a...

David Mundell | 524 c679 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions the Bill Committee. I sought from him, and again he refused to answer, c...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c679 (Link to this contribution) Is the right hon. Gentleman accepting or steamrollering the will of the Scottish Parliament's Bill C...

David Mundell | 524 c679 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State made it clear in his written ministerial statement that the Government will g...

Ian Davidson | 524 c677 (Link to this contribution) My constituency is Glasgow South West. That was not a deviation. Was it not a major result? One of t...

Michael Connarty | 524 c677 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, my hon. Friend is the Member for Glasgow South West, and I do apologise to my hon. Friend...

Ian Davidson | 524 c677 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?

Michael Connarty | 524 c677 (Link to this contribution) I have startled him into an intervention.

Ian Davidson | 524 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) We have to ask ourselves a fairly simple question about the issue of when the count is held: for who...

David Mundell | 524 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome you to the Chair, Mr Evans. It is always a pleasure to follow the Chairman of the Scottish...

Michael Connarty | 524 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) I know a little about that, as my son lives in Australia, which has a totally electronically registe...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c676 (Link to this contribution) To be clear, by electronic voting I do not mean the Simon Cowell, light entertainment version, but t...

Michael Connarty | 524 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) It strikes me that all political parties are like Simon Cowell—they want the person they own to win ...

Anne McGuire | 524 c675 (Link to this contribution) I am not into the Simon Cowell approach to voting. Some of our younger colleagues who entered the Ho...

Anne McGuire | 524 c692 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not accept that in trying to extend the life of this Parliament to a term that bea...

David Mundell | 524 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that is an accurate summation of the position. The clause allows for the combining ...

Sandra Osborne | 524 c691 (Link to this contribution) Surely the logical conclusion of the Minister's argument is that we should have four-year rather tha...

David Mundell | 524 c691 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Lady will know, what she suggests was debated extensively in the Chamber during the pass...

David Mundell | 524 c691 (Link to this contribution) The issue of the length of a fixed-term Parliament was well argued during the passage of the Fixed-t...

Thomas Docherty | 524 c691 (Link to this contribution) My maths is not always fantastic, but I suspect that in 2020 we shall encounter exactly the same pro...

David Mundell | 524 c691 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman will know, a number of possibilities have been suggested, and the Government h...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c692 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way to me again. He is being characteristically generous. Surely he ...

David Mundell | 524 c692 (Link to this contribution) I see no purpose in a rerun of the debate on the Fixed-term Parliaments Bill. The views expressed by...

Jim McGovern | 524 c690 (Link to this contribution) Is it not the case that we are effectively putting a price on democracy by saying that it is simply ...

David Mundell | 524 c690 (Link to this contribution) I think the returning officer has some option, but the hon. Gentleman raises an important and releva...

David Mundell | 524 c689 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his valuable insight based on his personal experience. In addition, if t...

Frank Doran | 524 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that the clause will not apply to the next Scottish election, but there are difficultie...

Iain Stewart | 524 c689 (Link to this contribution) I would like to offer some anecdotal evidence from my constituency at the general election. That pol...

David Mundell | 524 c690 (Link to this contribution) On the specific case that the hon. Gentleman mentions, representations can be made to the returning ...

Frank Doran | 524 c690 (Link to this contribution) As I understand the current law on local government by-elections, the election must be held within t...

David Mundell | 524 c690 (Link to this contribution) The arrangements for the conduct of the Scottish Parliament election and the AV referendum allow for...

Frank Doran | 524 c690 (Link to this contribution) But there is a worry that we should use separate arrangements when there are that number of election...

Brian H Donohoe | 524 c673 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way again. If returning officers are going to work office ho...

Anne McGuire | 524 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) I understand now exactly where my hon. Friend is coming from, and I am sure that he would never have...

Anne McGuire | 524 c673 (Link to this contribution) Knowing my hon. Friend's grasp of the political minutiae of local government and returning officers,...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c675 (Link to this contribution) Although I am enjoying the marvellous nostalgia of election night, does the right hon. Lady see any ...

Anne McGuire | 524 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a valid point. Like her, I do not want to overplay the excitement, in spite of o...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 524 c674 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Lady agree that although the excitement is certainly important to people like us...

Anne McGuire | 524 c674 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, but I was delighted that when I awoke, what I at first thought was a dream was in fact reali...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c674 (Link to this contribution) Such was the excitement.

Anne McGuire | 524 c674 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more. I not only waited until the television report had nearly finished, but then ...

Ian Davidson | 524 c674 (Link to this contribution) May I confirm my right hon. Friend's point about excitement? I remember wondering last Thursday, or ...

Jim McGovern | 524 c670 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that one of the concerns raised was about putting the words ““Alex Salmo...

Pete Wishart | 524 c670 (Link to this contribution) I accept that, and I said that the failings identified were not just those of the then Labour Scotla...

Pete Wishart | 524 c672 (Link to this contribution) Actually, I have had a look at the calendar, and I see that there is to be an election in about eigh...

Brian H Donohoe | 524 c672 (Link to this contribution) Why, therefore, have the hon. Gentleman's colleagues north of the border in his Scottish Parliament ...

Brian H Donohoe | 524 c673 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether returning officers would be so keen on that if they were to forgo their wage for th...

Pete Wishart | 524 c671 (Link to this contribution) I am more than happy to acknowledge that Ron Gould was not right about everything, but I think most ...

David Mundell | 524 c670 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that as one of Ron Gould's recommendations was that there should...

Pete Wishart | 524 c671 (Link to this contribution) Of course the hon. Gentleman and I differ as to how we would like this whole process to develop and ...

Michael Connarty | 524 c671 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has said something that jarred with the logic of his argument. He is obviously sp...

Pete Wishart | 524 c668 (Link to this contribution) I have no dispute whatever with the hon. Lady about that; of course the count should take place as s...

David Mundell | 524 c669 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to exceed my role, but the hon. Gentleman will be aware that it will be possible to di...

Pete Wishart | 524 c669 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Ms Primarolo. That is exactly what I was going to do. May I just say to the Mi...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c668-9 (Link to this contribution) Order. I know that the Minister is eager to debate airguns, but perhaps he could wait until we get t...

David Mundell | 524 c668 (Link to this contribution) May I seek clarification from the hon. Gentleman? Why are he and his colleagues tabling amendments t...

Michael Moore | 524 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) If I may repeat what I said to the Chair of the Select Committee on Scottish Affairs and the Scottis...

Stewart Hosie | 524 c669 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will have noticed the Minister saying that there would be time later—perhaps on Repor...

Pete Wishart | 524 c669 (Link to this contribution) That answers one of the questions that I was going to put to the Minister, which is when are we goin...

Pete Wishart | 524 c670 (Link to this contribution) That is a helpful contribution from the Secretary of State, but perhaps when the Minister winds up h...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c665 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Tom Greatrex | 524 c665 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 10, page 1, line 22, at end insert—

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 524 c667-8 (Link to this contribution) I find myself in the extremely unusual position of agreeing entirely with everything that the hon. M...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c665-7 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Ms Primarolo, as we embark on the Committee stage...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c668 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding all that, and the fact that there is a huge amount of discussion still to be had, wi...

Pete Wishart | 524 c668 (Link to this contribution) I welcome you to the Committee, Ms Primarolo. I know how much you appreciate the convivial nature of...

Pete Wishart | 524 c700 (Link to this contribution) Is it not possible that the Queen's Printer may be abolished under the Public Bodies Bill? What woul...

David Mundell | 524 c700 (Link to this contribution) I will look into the hon. Gentleman's specific query and write to him on it. A requirement on the L...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c700-1 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed in some of the Minister's responses. I am aware that there is no preclusion on pub...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c701 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Tom Greatrex | 524 c701-2 (Link to this contribution) There has been much discussion of this issue and I know that many hon. Members wish to contribute to...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c702-3 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to my amendments 38 and 39. I do so as chairman of the all-party group on shooting a...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c703-5 (Link to this contribution) It comes from the number of offences that have been reported—no more, no less. The average number of...

Jim McGovern | 524 c705 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions the tabloid press. I am sure he is aware that in the past week or so, th...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c705 (Link to this contribution) I welcome that intervention. I take any infringement of airgun law very seriously indeed. Anyone who...

Pete Wishart | 524 c705-6 (Link to this contribution) Doing things differently in Scotland from the rest of the United Kingdom is what we call devolution,...

Ian Davidson | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman speaks about dangerous weapons. As he knows, more people are killed in Scotland b...

Pete Wishart | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising the topic of knives. I am sure he would be the first...

Michael Connarty | 524 c706 (Link to this contribution) I worry when a Scottish National party Member accepts the kind of smear on Scotland that the hon. Me...

Pete Wishart | 524 c706-7 (Link to this contribution) I will come to the issue of firearms, which is central to our amendment, in order that we can, in Sc...

David Mundell | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) It would be helpful if the hon. Gentleman defined who ““our”” is. As he knows, the Scottish Governme...

Pete Wishart | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) As I said at the start of my remarks, we welcome the clause. It is a real transfer of power—one of t...

Pete Wishart | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) I accept that, but it is our strong view that all firearms legislation should be devolved to the Sco...

Pete Wishart | 524 c708 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, we do support the clause as it stands. I know that the right hon. Gentleman is an astute fol...

Michael Connarty | 524 c708 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman explain how that would operate? I deal with firearms quite a lot in my const...

Pete Wishart | 524 c708 (Link to this contribution) I am about to come to that. Let me explain first what we are trying to achieve with the amendment, a...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c708-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity to make a contribution to this part of the debate. I hope it will be one b...

Pete Wishart | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) I know that I will get the same sort of question again, but I will give way to the Minister.

David Mundell | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to be picky, but in the LCM that the Scottish Government have lodged, they suggest a s...

Eilidh Whiteford | 524 c709 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady share my experience that the abuse of air weapons often involves not only the cas...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. Of course, those are the types of incidents that local newspapers report far mor...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c710 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making a cogent and reasonable case, and I am interested to hear what she has to sa...

Eilidh Whiteford | 524 c714 (Link to this contribution) I have here a copy of the Scotland Bill Committee report, which came out last week. If the right hon...

David Mundell | 524 c714 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will also be aware of the text of the LCM to be put forward by the Scottish Government...

Michael Connarty | 524 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) I wish that we could expunge from the memories of the people of Scotland, particularly central Scotl...

David Mundell | 524 c714 (Link to this contribution) I welcome you to the Chair, Mr Benton. I can assure the hon. Member for Linlithgow and East Falkirk...

Michael Connarty | 524 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) I approach the issue from a slightly different position. I support clause 11, because it is sensible...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c713 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has been a Member for a long time and, in fact, as long as I have. I did not in a...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c710-1 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Gentleman says, but I say to him gently that the people of Easterhouse, and per...

Anne McGuire | 524 c711-2 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Kilmarnock and Loudoun (Cathy Jamieson). For ...

Eilidh Whiteford | 524 c714 (Link to this contribution) May I once again draw the Minister's attention to paragraph 142 and footnote 28, which clearly show ...

David Mundell | 524 c714 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge for the record that the vote took place, but I also point out to the hon. Lady annex A...

Stewart Hosie | 524 c714 (Link to this contribution) This is not good enough. The Minister said that the Bill Committee was unanimous, but the footnote m...

Ann McKechin | 524 c693 (Link to this contribution) Does not this debate show that a draft Fixed-term Parliaments Bill, which would have allowed consult...

David Mundell | 524 c693 (Link to this contribution) My maths is better than the hon. Gentleman's. I knew that already, and I knew that these were exactl...

Thomas Docherty | 524 c693 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said earlier that the Government had given some consideration to the idea of moving the...

David Mundell | 524 c692 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that that is merely a smokescreen for the fact that there could have been a coincidence ...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c694 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss clause stand part.

David Mundell | 524 c693 (Link to this contribution) Once Parliament had determined the nature of the Fixed-term Parliaments Bill, the appropriate thing ...

Anne McGuire | 524 c692 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister reflect on the facts? There have been two five-year Parliaments since 1992, one un...

David Mundell | 524 c692 (Link to this contribution) I would take what the right hon. Lady says a good deal more seriously had the last Labour Government...

Pete Wishart | 524 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) I am not in the fortunate position of having seen those secret clauses, although I know of others wh...

Jim McGovern | 524 c696 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions secret clauses, but he seems to know what they are, so just how secret a...

David Mundell | 524 c698 (Link to this contribution) We have heard some unusual contributions from the Scottish National party, in this and other debates...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c696 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment 14, page 5, line 30, leave out '...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c696 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 13, page 5, line 28, after Officer', insert 'and the Law Officer making the ...

Pete Wishart | 524 c696 (Link to this contribution) There has been a lot of talk about the Supreme Court in the past week—it even reached First Minister...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c696 (Link to this contribution) We have discussed amendments 13, 14 and 15 with a number of bodies, including the Law Society of Sco...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c694-5 (Link to this contribution) We have had the opportunity to discuss a number of amendments with interested parties, including the...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c695 (Link to this contribution) I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment, although we reserve the right to revisit the matter on...

David Mundell | 524 c695 (Link to this contribution) As the law stands, only those members of the Scottish Government in charge of a Bill have to make a ...

David Mundell | 524 c700 (Link to this contribution) The Edinburgh Gazette is one of the few newspapers in Scotland in which the hon. Gentleman does not ...

Thomas Docherty | 524 c700 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Gentleman can satisfy a curiosity of mine. What is the Edinburgh Gazette, and where...

David Mundell | 524 c699 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is very astute: yes, there will be a Scottish Parliament election on 5 May, and, ...

Stewart Hosie | 524 c699 (Link to this contribution) Given the time scales, will it in fact be the next Scottish Parliament after the election in May tha...

David Mundell | 524 c699 (Link to this contribution) As I have suggested—as have the ““secret”” ministerial statement the Secretary of State made last we...

Pete Wishart | 524 c699 (Link to this contribution) When and where is the Minister going to introduce these measures, if, indeed, he is going to introdu...

David Mundell | 524 c698 (Link to this contribution) That is a helpful intervention, because the LCM that will come before the Scottish Parliament this w...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c698 (Link to this contribution) It might be helpful for those who are not au fait with all the technicalities if the Minister confir...

David Mundell | 524 c698 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Midlothian (Mr Hamilton) tempts me to answer that it is a secret, but it is not....

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c719 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend address the point that I made before he concludes? What will happen to those peo...

Fiona O'Donnell | 524 c717 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that BB guns are covered by the 1968 Act?

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c717 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but the background noise is getting too high and it is ...

David Mundell | 524 c717 (Link to this contribution) There are definitions in the 1968 Act of certain weapons. A BB gun is not defined as a type of gun i...

David Mundell | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has just under three weeks to raise that issue in the Scottish Parliament in her capac...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) Given my concern about BB guns, will the Minister answer the question that I posed about whether he ...

Stewart Hosie | 524 c717 (Link to this contribution) That answer was interesting. Presumably it means that BB weapons, such as those that have been descr...

Anne McGuire | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) Will there be a clear definition of what exactly is understood by ““air weapons””? It is not the dis...

David Mundell | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to that later in my remarks. We are satisfied that the definition, as set out in this...

David Mundell | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that it is inevitable that the clause or the Bill will lead to an anomalous situatio...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it would make a nonsense of all firearms laws if the Scottish Parliam...

David Mundell | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a useful intervention. The division that took place in the Scotland Bill Co...

Michael Connarty | 524 c716 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify the other point that he made? If I understood him correctly, he said that ...

David Mundell | 524 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) The Scottish Parliament will be able to enact a complete ban on air weapons that fall within the def...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c715 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that, but the point I was trying to get at, although perhaps I did not make myself clea...

David Mundell | 524 c715 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes an important point that also relates to the concerns of my hon. Friend the Membe...

Cathy Jamieson | 524 c715 (Link to this contribution) Given the Minister's comments, will he make it clear for the record that if the clause goes through ...

David Mundell | 524 c715 (Link to this contribution) I certainly would not want the Committee to be misled by anything that I said. I referred to the par...

David Mundell | 524 c723 (Link to this contribution) I will e-mail the hon. Gentleman with the relevant details.

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c723 (Link to this contribution) That is not really a point of order to which the Chair can respond, but I will allow the Minister to...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c723 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Benton. In exchanges on clause 7, the Minister responded to a comment from t...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c719-20 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed with some of the content of the Minister's response. In respect of amendment 17, I...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) I support clause 12, but I have a couple of questions about its implications. As the Committee will ...

David Mundell | 524 c723 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to accede to that request, Mr Benton.

Stewart Hosie | 524 c723 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr Benton. The Minister has generously offered to e-mail those secre...

Pete Wishart | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) Doctors who come to the NHS in the rest of the UK are subject to UK regulation. The NHS in Scotland ...

Fiona O'Donnell | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) I cannot believe that the hon. Gentleman has got me animated about the issue because it seems so cle...

Pete Wishart | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I will stick to the amendment and put the case for continuing to leave the matter in the han...

Ann McKechin | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman clarify whether he is proposing a separate Scottish college of nursing, bear...

Pete Wishart | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) I have a real choice here. I will give way to the shadow Minister.

Pete Wishart | 524 c738 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that that is exactly what was said, but the only evidence taken by the Calman commis...

Ian Murray | 524 c738 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, even at the second attempt. Does he agree w...

Pete Wishart | 524 c738 (Link to this contribution) I have given way enough—I did not want to spend so much time on this, but I have been generous in gi...

Ian Murray | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) Reciprocal arrangements work across a variety of jurisdictions. Of course a health scientist trained...

Alan Reid | 524 c738-9 (Link to this contribution) We would end up with a much worse situation than the position whereby all professions were regulated...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c738 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman believe that the sky would fall in if we had an anomalous situation?

Alan Reid | 524 c738 (Link to this contribution) I am fully behind the Government on the clause. If we listened to the advice of the hon. Member for ...

Pete Wishart | 524 c738 (Link to this contribution) I have already given way to the hon. Lady. The UK Department of Health evidence to the commission co...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c734 (Link to this contribution) I have heard the point of order, but as it is not a procedural point I cannot rule on it. I am very ...

Pete Wishart | 524 c734-5 (Link to this contribution) I rise to oppose the clause. This is part 2 of the great Calman clawback. Presumably we are going to...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c734 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support clause 13 on the regulation of health care professionals. In some ways, it falls i...

Pete Wishart | 524 c735 (Link to this contribution) There would probably be a strong case for that. The hon. Gentleman is entirely right. In Scotland, a...

Thomas Docherty | 524 c735 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman talks about the regulation of work forces. Does he therefore believe that we shou...

Pete Wishart | 524 c735 (Link to this contribution) There is eminent logic in what the hon. Gentleman says, and there is very little of it that I could ...

Pete Wishart | 524 c735 (Link to this contribution) I will give the hon. Gentleman another shot.

Tom Greatrex | 524 c736 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to involve myself in the spat that has been entertaining us, but given that the hon. G...

Alan Reid | 524 c735 (Link to this contribution) I said that the professions should all be regulated in one place. It is the hon. Gentleman who is sa...

David Mowat | 524 c736 (Link to this contribution) For the avoidance of doubt, will the hon. Gentleman clarify that it is his view that there are no he...

Pete Wishart | 524 c736 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed in the right hon. Lady, because she usually does better than that. She has clearly...

Anne McGuire | 524 c736 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the hon. Gentleman has explained exactly why Scotland needs different regulation...

Pete Wishart | 524 c736 (Link to this contribution) I am really pleased that the hon. Gentleman has asked that, because that is one of the things that I...

Pete Wishart | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) I have given way once to the right hon. Lady. I hope that she wants to make a new point.

Pete Wishart | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) Of course there are health care scientists in England, but they are trained differently. Scotland ha...

David Mundell | 524 c742 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart) was challenged to identify health prof...

David Mundell | 524 c741 (Link to this contribution) I accept your ruling, Mr Hoyle, although it is sometimes important to point out to Opposition member...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c741 (Link to this contribution) I would love to know why the Minister thinks that London rather than Edinburgh should have responsib...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c741 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are discussing health. We are not discussing Antarctica.

David Mundell | 524 c741-2 (Link to this contribution) We have learned tonight that London SNP has control over Edinburgh SNP, because it is the Westminste...

Pete Wishart | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) I am also disappointed about Antarctica. However, is the Minister pleased that Antarctica will now j...

David Mundell | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) I think that schedule 5 of the Scotland Act is the appropriate place for Antarctica.

Thomas Docherty | 524 c741 (Link to this contribution) I would speculate that the reason the Scottish Parliament should have responsibility for Antarctica ...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c741 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are dealing with health professions. We have not quite got to Antarctica yet, so I think w...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c742 (Link to this contribution) It would be good practice in shaping and making law to prepare for any eventuality. I put a particul...

David Mundell | 524 c742-3 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that that represents the level of debate on re-reservation that we have witnessed tonigh...

Alan Reid | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Mr MacNeil) was first.

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman find it strange that a nation would want to regulate its own health professi...

Ian Davidson | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) Surely the hon. Gentleman is in error to suggest that SNP Members did not articulate the fact that t...

Alan Reid | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is perfectly correct—[hon. Members: ““Oh!””] I did not say in what he was correct...

Fiona O'Donnell | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could assist the hon. Gentleman in correcting my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow South ...

Alan Reid | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that if I respond to that intervention, Mr Hoyle, you will rule me out of order. To go ba...

David Mundell | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Hoyle, and welcome to this debate, which I can see you are already enjoying. I did no...

Ian Davidson | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) Is it appropriate at this point to mention that fifth is actually higher than sixth? I have been app...

Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think we both know that this is not quite a part of the clause 13 stand part debate. If wha...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman making the case for worldwide regulation?

Alan Reid | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) I was giving way to the hon. Member for Angus (Mr Weir).

Alan Reid | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) The cures for diseases are the same throughout the world. The cure for measles in Scotland is not di...

Thomas Docherty | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Carlisle (John Stevenson) and the Minister, who represent the north-west of Engl...

Alan Reid | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman on cross-border traffic, which is important, but he gives SNP Member...

Mike Weir | 524 c739 (Link to this contribution) I am listening closely to the hon. Gentleman. Do we not already reciprocally recognise qualification...

Alan Reid | 524 c740 (Link to this contribution) Simply put, those arrangements would add a new layer of bureaucracy and waste time. Currently, a doc...

Angus Robertson | 524 c729 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in what the Minister says about having the same rules across an economic single mark...

David Mundell | 524 c729-30 (Link to this contribution) I understand where the hon. Gentleman is coming from, and his party's position in relation to matter...

Eilidh Whiteford | 524 c730 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify exactly which issues remain outstanding with the Scottish Federation of Ho...

David Mundell | 524 c730-1 (Link to this contribution) Following our meeting with the federation, I wrote extensively on the specific points that I had rai...

Eilidh Whiteford | 524 c727 (Link to this contribution) This is an argument that has come directly from the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations, whi...

Michael Connarty | 524 c727-8 (Link to this contribution) Allow me to recommend that optimism to the hon. Lady, who is new to the House. That optimism, which ...

David Mundell | 524 c728 (Link to this contribution) Clause 12 implements the Calman commission recommendation that the UK Insolvency Service should be m...

Eilidh Whiteford | 524 c724-6 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to have an opportunity to respond to the amendment in a way that does not involve any sort...

Thomas Docherty | 524 c734 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Benton. You might not be aware, having been in the Chair, but apparently the...

Ian Davidson | 524 c688 (Link to this contribution) Surely there is a logic to having a five-year term. If one part of the coalition has come third in a...

David Mundell | 524 c682 (Link to this contribution) This will not be the first time during the Committee's discussions that I refer to the fact that the...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c691 (Link to this contribution) Surely the Minister accepts that the Scottish Parliament felt the need to come up with that motion o...

Anne McGuire | 524 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to support amendment 10. It would be disappointing if we judged whether or not it was...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c701 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 17, page 7, line 26, after 'weapons', insert"““except those intended to be u...

Thomas Docherty | 524 c703 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said that 50% of these incidents took place in the Strathclyde police area and th...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c694 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 12, page 4, line 36, at end add—"'(1A) In section 31(1) of the 1998 Act, at ...

Tom Greatrex | 524 c693 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate on these issues. I would just note again that, if there had been a...

Pete Wishart | 524 c698 (Link to this contribution) The Scottish Parliament's Bill Committee has expressed great concern, because it cannot make any jud...

David Mundell | 524 c717-9 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Benton. I assure my hon. Friend the Member for The Cotswolds that the control of air ...

David Mundell | 524 c717 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that the Scottish Parliament would at this stage be able to take forward its own...

Anne McGuire | 524 c737 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has not answered my first intervention yet. [Interruption.] If the hon. Member fo...

Alan Reid | 524 c735 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman were consistent, he would be arguing that all the health professions should be...

Pete Wishart | 524 c735-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman confirms what I was saying. Of course they should all be regulated in one place, ...

Michael Connarty | 524 c726-7 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Dr Whiteford), who has both conflated a...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 524 c707 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman seems to be arguing that he wants to go further than the Bill by devolving all fi...

David Mundell | 524 c719 (Link to this contribution) It would be entirely for the Scottish Parliament to determine what regime they introduced if they cr...

Ann McKechin | 524 c681 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree, given the strength of feeling that has been clearly shown across the House ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 524 c742 (Link to this contribution) If in future a certain type of health profession develops that exists only in Scotland, is the Minis...

David Mundell | 524 c688-9 (Link to this contribution) This clause amends the Representation of the People Act 1985 to provide that when a Scottish parliam...

Pete Wishart | 524 c669 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend poses an important question for the Minister. That is what we need to hear: are the G...

Subjects

Devolved matters Devolution Airguns Elections Legislative competence Insolvency Health professions Powers Regulation Scottish Parliament Speed limits Supreme Court Scottish Executive

Legislation

Scotland Bill 2010-12

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