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Debate on select committee report on Monday, 30 April 2012, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Richard. The answering member was Lord Strathclyde.

Draft House of Lords Reform Bill

Lords debate on motion to take note of the report from the Joint Committee on the draft House of Lords Reform Bill. (HL 284 2010-12). (Debate adjourned until 1 May 2012).

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
736 c1937-2001, 2013-80 
Session
2010-12
Department
Leader of the House of Lords
Joint Committee on the Draft House of Lords Reform Bill
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill
Tuesday, 1 May 2012
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Lucas | 736 c2075 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in favour of an elected House, so I hope that the Government will have the courage to...
Lord Rennard | 736 c2075-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the end of a long day—indeed, it is a different day from the day on which we began this...
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Lord Cobbold | 736 c2077 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, given the late hour, I shall be brief. I am one of those who feel strongly that the propos...
Viscount Younger of Leckie | 736 c2077-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have clearly drawn the short straw for the last of the graveyard slots today. At this la...
Lord Bates | 736 c2071-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, probably one of the most frequently used phrases in the speeches that I have heard in the ...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 736 c2071 (Link to this contribution) That is fine, but in 15 years' time how will you explain that in schools? You cannot have a fudge; y...
Lord Winston | 736 c2068-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, looking around the Chamber, I see a great deal of shellshocked people, so I will try not t...
Baroness Wheatcroft | 736 c2067-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the duck-billed platypus is a remarkable creature but is evidence that evolution does not ...
Lord Tyler | 736 c2070-1 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the noble Lord with a little bit of information. The two options of 80:20 or 100 ...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 736 c2069-70 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Winston. When I was his chairman at Imperial, the no...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 736 c2018 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am interested in the noble Lord's support for what has come to be known as the secondary...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c2018-9 (Link to this contribution) I am all for digging up older conventions in order for them to be considered by the new one. I was ...
Lord Quirk | 736 c2019-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join the many, blessedly without even attempting to repeat the views of the many, who ha...
Lord Morris of Aberavon | 736 c2020-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the House debated its proposed reform on 21 June last year, I commented on a single i...
Viscount Astor | 736 c2022-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is worth repeating that this Chamber is the second largest political Chamber in the wor...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 736 c2024-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in favour of an elected House—a position I made clear on my appointment. I strongly s...
Lord Higgins | 736 c2026-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join those who have congratulated the noble Lord, Lord Richard, and his committee on all...
Lord Higgins | 736 c2027-8 (Link to this contribution) No, on the contrary, I recognise that what is fit for other countries is fit for them, but we have h...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c2027 (Link to this contribution) I intervene because the noble Lord mentioned me by name. I want to ask him a question, because the i...
Lord Elton | 736 c2013-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, your Lordships can now return to an equally controversial matter, on which I think the cam...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 736 c1991-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Lloyd George came here. Perhaps the noble Lord does not know that. Anyway, that is by the ...
Lord Desai | 736 c1992-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the answer to my noble friend's question to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, as to...
Lord Morgan | 736 c1990 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord kindly explain to the House why Lloyd George was against an elected House of Lor...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1991 (Link to this contribution) He was for the abolition of the House of Lords, as I recall.
Lord Hoyle | 736 c1997-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there has been debate over whether this is a decision that should be made now or in the fu...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 736 c1999-2001 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join other Members in thanking the noble Lord, Lord Richard, and the Joint Committee for...
Earl of Clancarty | 736 c1994-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as has been pointed out, the noble Lord, Lord Richard, said that the committee did not hav...
Lord Crickhowell | 736 c1996-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Parliament has never before faced a situation in which a draft Bill sent for consideration...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c2017-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness in debate, especially on constitution...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 736 c2015-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this issue has engaged me since the launch back in the 1980s of Charter 88, which called f...
Lord Shipley | 736 c2055-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am privileged to have been a Member of your Lordships' House for almost two years now. I...
Lord Dobbs | 736 c2057-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one can wait for years for a report to come along, then two arrive at the same time. I sho...
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 736 c2051 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Northbrook, for allowing me to intervene before he starts his...
Lord Northbrook | 736 c2051-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the opportunity to discuss the report of the Joint Committee chaired by the nobl...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 736 c2053-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the late noble and learned Lord Bingham said in his 2009 Jan Grodecki lecture, "““for over...
Lord Framlingham | 736 c2062-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our country is facing a perilous economic situation, which is likely to last for some time...
Lord Bilimoria | 736 c2060-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remember that soon after David Cameron took over as leader of the Official Opposition, h...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c2065-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank those who compiled this report and those who compiled the alternative report. I fi...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 736 c2063-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to say that this Bill is half-baked is to put it politely, and the idea of pushing it forw...
Lord Morris of Handsworth | 736 c2058-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to be listed at 53 in the batting order is not just a new experience but a promotion for m...
Lord Marlesford | 736 c2039-41 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have in front of us today two very fine reports. They are both very well written, which...
Lord Haskel | 736 c2036-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Whitty has just spoken about what the public expect. The noble Lord, ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 736 c2033-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like many of your Lordships, I find it amazing that the other place could even consider ma...
Baroness Morgan of Ely | 736 c2028-31 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by stating clearly that I think that this is a bizarre priority at the moment, whe...
Baroness Brinton | 736 c2031-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like most of my colleagues in the Liberal Democrat Party, I am a strong advocate of a full...
Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 736 c2046-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that seems to be an excellent question. I open by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Richard, a...
Lord Naseby | 736 c2044-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are told that all three manifestos claimed that the reform of the Lords was a priority....
Lord Rodgers of Quarry Bank | 736 c2043-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Richard, on his labour of love in chairing this ...
Baroness Whitaker | 736 c2041-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow my friend the noble Lord, Lord Marlesford, but I shall t...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1964 (Link to this contribution) I will give way, but allow me to make a little more progress. The truth of the matter is that this ...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1964 (Link to this contribution) I shall make my point and then I will happily take my noble friend's point. On this day, Egypt vote...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1964 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful. I always listen with huge attention to what my noble friend Lord Ashdown says, n...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1965 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to my noble friend's point in a moment, except to say this. The question is not what ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1964-5 (Link to this contribution) I am a placeman, fair enough. My noble friend said, with emphasis, that we are a creature of the Exe...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1965 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Lord will forgive me. We have been advised to speak for seven minutes; I am al...
Lord Low of Dalston | 736 c1979-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a privilege to follow such a weighty and impressive speech. First, I congratulate th...
Lord Grenfell | 736 c1977-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Cormack. The congruence of our views on Lo...
Lord Trefgarne | 736 c1983-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, was a member of the Joint Select Committee and I, too, pay tribute to the noble Lo...
Lord Lipsey | 736 c1981-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise in advance for lowering the very high tone set just now by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Dubs | 736 c1971-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Richard and his committee on the work they have done, ...
Lord Trimble | 736 c1969-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was a member of the Joint Committee and I begin by echoing the compliments paid by the n...
Lord Cormack | 736 c1975-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, for two reasons. One is...
Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 736 c1986-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for those who have the earlier version of the speakers list, perhaps I could explain why I...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 736 c1984-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as a supporter of the Campaign for a Democratic Upper House, and as ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1989-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suppose that, like the noble Lord, Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe, I must declare an interes...
Earl Attlee | 736 c1967 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the House that noble Lords are speaking for quite a time. If all noble Lords take...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1966-7 (Link to this contribution) Of course the first Chamber is going to have primacy. That is readily established in every other bic...
Lord Norton of Louth | 736 c1966 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if a second Chamber can block the nation going to war, what does that tell us about the pr...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1965-6 (Link to this contribution) He came here by an act of patronage, then, which is the point I was seeking to make. Let me cite so...
Lord Trefgarne | 736 c1965 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord made a highly offensive remark just now and I would like to challenge it. He said tha...
Earl of Sandwich | 736 c1967-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a 1660s placeman and I am very proud to have been in this House to represent my famil...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1967 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a provision in the Bill, although one might argue that a 15-year term is rather l...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1963-4 (Link to this contribution) They are not. We are not the people's representatives, but we make and amend laws, and are part of t...
Lord Strathclyde | 736 c1943-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by paying tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Richard. I know that I do so on behalf o...
Lord Elton | 736 c1947 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble friend tell the House what he means by ““consensus””?
Lord Strathclyde | 736 c1947 (Link to this contribution) A consensus will be the majority in the House of Commons that passes the Bill. I will add, for noble...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 736 c1947-51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I echo the thanks of the Leader of the House to my noble friend Lord Richard for his speec...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1951 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the noble Baroness a question. The coalition agreement provided for the Deputy Pri...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 736 c1951-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was proud and privileged to be a member of that group, as the noble Lord said. However, ...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 736 c1952-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak as a survivor of the Joint Select Committee. In doing so, I offer my thanks to the...
Lord Richard | 736 c1937-43 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I might say right at the outset that I am glad this debate is now to extend over t...
Lord Richard | 736 c1937 (Link to this contribution) That this House takes note of the report from the Joint Committee on the draft House of Lords Reform...
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 736 c1960-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank the noble Lord, Lord Richard, for his introduction to the debate and for his...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 736 c1962 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness sits down, I entirely agree with her remarks about primacy, but is there n...
Bishop of Leicester | 736 c1955-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a member of the Joint Committee, I add my tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Richard, as c...
Lord Norton of Louth | 736 c1958-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a supporter of the Government perhaps I may say how encouraging it is to note that on t...
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 736 c1963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do, if this House is to be elected with commensurate powers. That is my starting point. ...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it was Oscar Wilde who once said that in a democracy the minority is always right....
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 736 c1963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course, the position of the independent Peers is very important. It is addressed in the...
Lord Tyler | 736 c1963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would the noble Baroness like to reiterate her support for a 100 per cent elected House?
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 736 c1955 (Link to this contribution) In the purest sense, no, but the virtue of our system, as I have always seen it, is that the undispu...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1955 (Link to this contribution) I am listening very carefully to the noble Lord's interesting proposals. Do any of them relate to th...
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 736 c1954-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as a member of the Joint Committee and as a signatory to the alterna...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c2073-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what are the failures and problems in our political system that most need attention? Are t...
Viscount Astor | 736 c2023-4 (Link to this contribution) And, indeed, subsequently. The supporters of this draft Bill cry popular democracy, but what we nee...
Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 736 c2049-51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that I can add much to that, so I shall go off in a different direction. I ...
Lord Whitty | 736 c2034-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not come with a text this evening. I think we owe the noble Lord, Lord Richard, and...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 736 c1973-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Richard, and members of the committee for their repo...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 736 c1966 (Link to this contribution) I will make the point and then I will take the noble Lord's intervention. There is one nation in Eur...
Earl of Listowel | 736 c2038-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is an honour to follow the noble Lord, Lord Haskel, and his considered words. I am very...
Lord Stirrup | 736 c1967 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps he can help me on one extremely important point. I think th...
Subjects
Elections House of Lords House of Commons House of Lords composition Electoral systems Pay Powers Public appointments Referendums Peers Reform Transitional arrangements Length of service
Legislation
Parliament Act 1911
Parliament Act 1949
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill
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