No, you said that they are terrorists!

No, you said that they are terrorists!

This is a very interesting debate, and I am glad to follow the views expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Condon, who was commissioner of the Metropolitan Police when I was Attorney-General. This is a difficult question. We have all agonised over the right balance between the existing 14 days,...

This is a very interesting debate, and I am glad to follow the views expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Condon, who was commissioner of the Metropolitan Police when I was Attorney-General. This is a difficult question. We have all agonised over the right balance between the existing 14 days,...

It is with great reluctance that I find myself unable to wholeheartedly support the amendment put forward today and, on a day of unusual disagreements in your Lordships’ House, I add to the unusual circumstances by finding myself for the first time in my life not wholeheartedly supporting something put...

It is with great reluctance that I find myself unable to wholeheartedly support the amendment put forward today and, on a day of unusual disagreements in your Lordships’ House, I add to the unusual circumstances by finding myself for the first time in my life not wholeheartedly supporting something put...

I am listening very carefully to the noble Lord. What would persuade him that up to 90 days was justifiable?

I am listening very carefully to the noble Lord. What would persuade him that up to 90 days was justifiable?

Up to 90 days can be justified in individual cases; that is not the point that I am making. My point is that, on balance, it may be    counterproductive. This is not about detecting, incriminating and putting behind bars a finite number of people; this is a philosophical struggle that will endure...

Up to 90 days can be justified in individual cases; that is not the point that I am making. My point is that, on balance, it may be    counterproductive. This is not about detecting, incriminating and putting behind bars a finite number of people; this is a philosophical struggle that will endure...

Of course the noble Lord is right that this is a philosophical struggle; unfortunately, it has very real practical outcomes where we fail to protect people. It is on those outcomes that some Members of the Committee might focus a little more. Like many, I found the comparison with South...

Of course the noble Lord is right that this is a philosophical struggle; unfortunately, it has very real practical outcomes where we fail to protect people. It is on those outcomes that some Members of the Committee might focus a little more. Like many, I found the comparison with South...

Oh, I knew that I would not get through it.

Oh, I knew that I would not get through it.

The noble Baroness paints a very dark picture. Does she agree that those problems could not be solved within 90 days at all, and that therefore the need for the continuing investigation—it goes on whether a person is charged or not—is essential?

The noble Baroness paints a very dark picture. Does she agree that those problems could not be solved within 90 days at all, and that therefore the need for the continuing investigation—it goes on whether a person is charged or not—is essential?

Ninety days gives us a much better shot than 28. I have not even touched on the points about the fiercely independent different security systems that run around all the countries in question. We in the United Kingdom are peculiarly well placed; perhaps we do not recognise it as much...

Ninety days gives us a much better shot than 28. I have not even touched on the points about the fiercely independent different security systems that run around all the countries in question. We in the United Kingdom are peculiarly well placed; perhaps we do not recognise it as much...

I wonder whether I could make a brief contribution from these Benches, although I speak entirely in my own capacity; words such as ““Daniel in the lion’s den”” come immediately to mind. I pay tribute to those who have brought the amendment before the Chamber and in doing so have...

I wonder whether I could make a brief contribution from these Benches, although I speak entirely in my own capacity; words such as ““Daniel in the lion’s den”” come immediately to mind. I pay tribute to those who have brought the amendment before the Chamber and in doing so have...

I have no expertise to offer in this debate. I listened to the noble Baronesses, Lady Ramsay of Cartvale and Lady Park, and to the noble Lord, Lord Imbert, with close attention, but I am not fit to make the judgment which they make on the basis of so much...

I have no expertise to offer in this debate. I listened to the noble Baronesses, Lady Ramsay of Cartvale and Lady Park, and to the noble Lord, Lord Imbert, with close attention, but I am not fit to make the judgment which they make on the basis of so much...

I really do not think that the late Lord Callaghan, who was, indeed, a great Prime Minister, would have been foolish enough to bring such a proposition to the House of Commons. The House of Commons would not have needed to deal with that. I fear that the import of...

I really do not think that the late Lord Callaghan, who was, indeed, a great Prime Minister, would have been foolish enough to bring such a proposition to the House of Commons. The House of Commons would not have needed to deal with that. I fear that the import of...

As someone who comes from Northern Ireland I feel I ought to say something about this matter in relation to terrorism. The noble Lord, Lord Imbert, referred to a hypothetical situation. However, the situation in Northern Ireland is not hypothetical. Where the Government are going wrong is in not doing...

As someone who comes from Northern Ireland I feel I ought to say something about this matter in relation to terrorism. The noble Lord, Lord Imbert, referred to a hypothetical situation. However, the situation in Northern Ireland is not hypothetical. Where the Government are going wrong is in not doing...

The noble and learned Lord, Lord Fraser, said that he had heard no justification at all for a period of detention of up to 90 days. All I can say is that he could not have listened to the noble Lord, Lord Imbert. The noble and learned Lord may have...

The noble and learned Lord, Lord Fraser, said that he had heard no justification at all for a period of detention of up to 90 days. All I can say is that he could not have listened to the noble Lord, Lord Imbert. The noble and learned Lord may have...

I was tempted simply to say in response that the noble and learned Lord knows how incredibly difficult it is to get all three sides to agree on anything in this Bill. Having achieved that rare feat, far be it from me to seek to unpick it. However, I am...

I was tempted simply to say in response that the noble and learned Lord knows how incredibly difficult it is to get all three sides to agree on anything in this Bill. Having achieved that rare feat, far be it from me to seek to unpick it. However, I am...

The noble Baroness called herself a realist; I do myself, too. I can see there is no support for the amendment—I am a lone voice, crying in the wilderness. I am not convinced but, nevertheless, I seek leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

The noble Baroness called herself a realist; I do myself, too. I can see there is no support for the amendment—I am a lone voice, crying in the wilderness. I am not convinced but, nevertheless, I seek leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

This is the first occasion I can recall on which we are going to disagree with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, for the second time in the course of an afternoon. The noble and learned Lord described the procedure between arrest and charge as a ““purely administrative”” one....

This is the first occasion I can recall on which we are going to disagree with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, for the second time in the course of an afternoon. The noble and learned Lord described the procedure between arrest and charge as a ““purely administrative”” one....

Very briefly and with the same reservations, I support the need for a High Court judge. I do not think that this is an administrative procedure. It is rightly given to someone who stands far from the administration and who is a judicial authority. For short periods it can be...

Very briefly and with the same reservations, I support the need for a High Court judge. I do not think that this is an administrative procedure. It is rightly given to someone who stands far from the administration and who is a judicial authority. For short periods it can be...

The amendment to Clause 23, relating to the period a suspected terrorist may be held before charge, is one of the most important clauses in the Bill. If the 28 days agreed to in another place is accepted, and the maximum of 90 days, with weekly robust judicial oversight, as...

The amendment to Clause 23, relating to the period a suspected terrorist may be held before charge, is one of the most important clauses in the Bill. If the 28 days agreed to in another place is accepted, and the maximum of 90 days, with weekly robust judicial oversight, as...

As will be appreciated—

As will be appreciated—