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Committed on
20 December 2005
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20 December 2005
Received on
20 December 2005
Subjects
Contracts; Absenteeism; Drugs; Ethnic groups; Offenders; Prisoners; Prisons; Staff; Minority groups; Probation; Overcrowding; National Offender Management Service; National Probation Service for England and Wales; Rehabilitation; Standards; Training; Victims; Testing; Suicide; Reoffenders; Basic skills
Commons Library location
Research HA Annual reports
Lords Library location
HDEP 2005/667
Date
20 December 2005
Reference
DEP 05/1731
House
House of Lords; House of Commons
My Lords, on a slightly different tack, perhaps after Starred Questions the Minister would have a word with the noble Lord, Lord Young of Norwood Green, and look up the word "rendition" in Johnson's dictionary, where I am sure it has a totally different meaning to that which has been given this afternoon.
My Lords, on a slightly different tack, perhaps after Starred Questions the Minister would have a word with the noble Lord, Lord Young of Norwood Green, and look up the word "rendition" in Johnson's dictionary, where I am sure it has a totally different meaning to that which has been given this afternoon.
Asked by
Lord Elton
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 December 2005
That would be fun, my Lords.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1508
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the Minister mentioned 400 flights. Over what period did they take place? The former American Secretary of State, Colin Powell, said yesterday that these things have been going on for a very long time. Is it correct that they have been going on since the Second World War? Can the Minister explain whether this is a recent development or whether it has been going on for years?
My Lords, the Minister mentioned 400 flights. Over what period did they take place? The former American Secretary of State, Colin Powell, said yesterday that these things have been going on for a very long time. Is it correct that they have been going on since the Second World War? Can the Minister explain whether this is a recent development or whether it has been going on for years?
Asked by
Lord Howell of Guildford
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 December 2005
My Lords, I emphasise that the figure is an estimate. My understanding is that these flights have been going on for a very long time. The most recent discussion has been with regard to what has happened since 1997—since the general election of that year. Information on that and on the precise arrangements that have existed since the beginning of the presidency of President Bush was provided in the other place.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1508
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, can the Minister confirm how many flights have actually landed in British airports? Can he explain the confusion there seems to be about the numbers which have been given by the Government and those which are being recorded by planespotters and others?
My Lords, can the Minister confirm how many flights have actually landed in British airports? Can he explain the confusion there seems to be about the numbers which have been given by the Government and those which are being recorded by planespotters and others?
Asked by
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 December 2005
My Lords, to the best of my information, approximately 400 flights have landed in the United Kingdom. I am afraid that I can give no information whatever on the basis of collection of data by planespotters. Without being frivolous about planespotting—there may be many adherents in your Lordships’ House for all I know—it is an activity with which I am wholly unfamiliar.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1507
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, on the British involvement, we know that a number of the suspected flights have refuelled in this country. These are all covered by US/UK agreements, signed and negotiated either during or immediately after the Second World War and renewed every 10 years, in almost all cases without parliamentary debate. Can the Government give an assurance that next time the US/UK agreements come to be renewed, they will receive proper parliamentary scrutiny in both Houses?
My Lords, on the British involvement, we know that a number of the suspected flights have refuelled in this country. These are all covered by US/UK agreements, signed and negotiated either during or immediately after the Second World War and renewed every 10 years, in almost all cases without parliamentary debate. Can the Government give an assurance that next time the US/UK agreements come to be renewed, they will receive proper parliamentary scrutiny in both Houses?
Asked by
Lord Wallace of Saltaire
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 December 2005
My Lords, I am not sure that I am in a position to give that undertaking, but I can certainly see the merit of the argument and I will pursue it.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1507
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for acknowledging the role that the Council of Europe plays in this regard. As a member of the Legal Affairs Committee of the Council of Europe on your Lordships’ behalf, perhaps I may say that we are deeply disturbed at the failure of EUROCONTROL to give any indication in response to inquiries about the patterns of flights that it has been asked to account for. It is all very well the member states giving their responses to the Secretary General, but can my noble friend assure us that pressure will be brought on EUROCONTROL? At the moment it seems to be controlling itself and not to be subject to any sort of international direction.
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for acknowledging the role that the Council of Europe plays in this regard. As a member of the Legal Affairs Committee of the Council of Europe on your Lordships’ behalf, perhaps I may say that we are deeply disturbed at the failure of EUROCONTROL to give any indication in response to inquiries about the patterns of flights that it has been asked to account for. It is all very well the member states giving their responses to the Secretary General, but can my noble friend assure us that pressure will be brought on EUROCONTROL? At the moment it seems to be controlling itself and not to be subject to any sort of international direction.
Asked by
Lord Tomlinson
(Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 December 2005
My Lords, I would hope that by 21 February all the relevant information would be available. May I say, though, that it is potentially a leap of imagination to suggest that the flights necessarily mean that people were improperly held on them? There is no such evidence. If there is such evidence it should be brought forward.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1506-7
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, were Vice-President Cheney here to answer for his views, I have no doubt that the question would be more relevantly asked of him. There has now been acceptance by the administration that it is desirable to clarify the matter by adopting that amendment. My own view—not the Vice-President’s but my view—is that that is helpful. ““Rendition”” is, of course, a word which is used to describe a variety of things. There are cases where prisoners are transferred legally—under legal and proper schemes—between countries. Two examples have been used to illustrate the point most recently but, in the interests of time, I shall use just one. The rendition, if you want to call it that, of Carlos the Jackal at the request of the French Government was one such movement of an international criminal and terrorist who faced justice, trial and conviction in France. He made the claim to the European Commission on Human Rights that it was an unlawful thing to do, but the commission found that it was perfectly lawful.
My Lords, were Vice-President Cheney here to answer for his views, I have no doubt that the question would be more relevantly asked of him. There has now been acceptance by the administration that it is desirable to clarify the matter by adopting that amendment. My own view—not the Vice-President’s but my view—is that that is helpful. ““Rendition”” is, of course, a word which is used to describe a variety of things. There are cases where prisoners are transferred legally—under legal and proper schemes—between countries. Two examples have been used to illustrate the point most recently but, in the interests of time, I shall use just one. The rendition, if you want to call it that, of Carlos the Jackal at the request of the French Government was one such movement of an international criminal and terrorist who faced justice, trial and conviction in France. He made the claim to the European Commission on Human Rights that it was an unlawful thing to do, but the commission found that it was perfectly lawful.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Lamont of Lerwick
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Perhaps I may ask him a question which the Prime Minister appeared to want to avoid answering. What is the legitimate purpose of so-called rendition—moving prisoners from one country to another, or, in one acknowledged case, moving a person from a prison in the continent of Europe to Afghanistan? Secondly, if, as the Prime Minister emphasised, America is dead set against torture, why did Vice-President Cheney ask American Senators to vote against the McCain amendment banning torture?
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1506
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
Whether they have considered allowing prison governors to purchase office consumables and furniture from any supplier, rather than only from approved suppliers, on condition that the items in question cost no more than if obtained from the approved supplier.
Whether they have considered allowing prison governors to purchase office consumables and furniture from any supplier, rather than only from approved suppliers, on condition that the items in question cost no more than if obtained from the approved supplier.
Asked by
Lord Avebury
(Liberal Democrat)
Answered by
Baroness Scotland of Asthal
(Labour)
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 December 2005
Government purchasing seeks to demonstrate value for money while promoting fair and open competition. As well as value for money, a number of other factors are used to determine the most appropriate products to buy, including: technical, health and safety and environmental considerations, as well as delivery and after sales service. Because of the aggregated value of the items purchased by the Prison Service, the European Union (EU) public procurement directives apply to both stationery and furniture and have been the subject of EU competition procedures, the latter of which was undertaken by the Inland Revenue as part of a collaborative venture. The Prison Service uses furniture manufactured by prisoners. As well as ensuring value for money, this policy has the added benefit of providing prisoners with purposeful activity, training and potentially qualifications that will help lead to employment on release. Where specific items of furniture cannot be manufactured in house, two contractors have been selected to provide such items from framework agreements awarded by Inland Revenue following an open competition. Contract prices are subject to rigorous reviews to ensure that products remain competitively priced throughout the life of the contract.
Subjects
Furniture; Equipment; Prisons; Procurement; Offices; Stationery
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
2026; 676 c234WA
House
House of Lords
To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to announce his decision on the contestability bid for the three prisons on the Isle of Sheppey; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to announce his decision on the contestability bid for the three prisons on the Isle of Sheppey; and if he will make a statement.
Asked by
Derek Wyatt
(Labour)
Answered by
Fiona Mactaggart
(Labour)
Answering body
Home Office
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
12 December 2005
For answer on
15 December 2005
Answered on
19 December 2005
An announcement about the performance improvement test of three prisons on the Isle of Sheppey will be made as soon as possible.
Subjects
Prisons; Isle of Sheppey
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
440 c2362W; 37858
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) when telephone charge rates for BT telephones in prisons were last reviewed;
To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) when telephone charge rates for BT telephones in prisons were last reviewed;
Asked by
Derek Wyatt
(Labour)
Answered by
Fiona Mactaggart
(Labour)
Answering body
Home Office
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
28 November 2005
For answer on
1 December 2005
Answered on
19 December 2005
The cost of prisoners' telephone calls is reviewed quarterly. Call rates are no longer linked to public payphone rates, they are agreed under the terms of the contract with BT which allows the Prison Service to set appropriate charges, taking account of the pattern of calls, as well as maintenance costs. The minimum charge, which is lower than that for public phones, reflects the fact that prisoners' calls tend to be of short duration.
Subjects
British Telecom; Fees and charges; Prisoners; Prisons; Telephones
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
440 c2362W; 33508
House
House of Commons
(2) for what reasons the cost of telephone calls from BT telephones in prisons differs from the cost charged to those using BT telephones elsewhere.
(2) for what reasons the cost of telephone calls from BT telephones in prisons differs from the cost charged to those using BT telephones elsewhere.
Asked by
Derek Wyatt
(Labour)
Answered by
Fiona Mactaggart
(Labour)
Answering body
Home Office
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
28 November 2005
For answer on
1 December 2005
Answered on
19 December 2005
The cost of prisoners' telephone calls is reviewed quarterly. Call rates are no longer linked to public payphone rates, they are agreed under the terms of the contract with BT which allows the Prison Service to set appropriate charges, taking account of the pattern of calls, as well as maintenance costs. The minimum charge, which is lower than that for public phones, reflects the fact that prisoners' calls tend to be of short duration.
Subjects
British Telecom; Fees and charges; Prisoners; Prisons; Telephones
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
440 c2362W; 33509
House
House of Commons
My Lords, to the best of my information, approximately 400 flights have landed in the United Kingdom. I am afraid that I can give no information whatever on the basis of collection of data by planespotters. Without being frivolous about planespotting—there may be many adherents in your Lordships’ House for all I know—it is an activity with which I am wholly unfamiliar.
My Lords, to the best of my information, approximately 400 flights have landed in the United Kingdom. I am afraid that I can give no information whatever on the basis of collection of data by planespotters. Without being frivolous about planespotting—there may be many adherents in your Lordships’ House for all I know—it is an activity with which I am wholly unfamiliar.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, can the Minister confirm how many flights have actually landed in British airports? Can he explain the confusion there seems to be about the numbers which have been given by the Government and those which are being recorded by planespotters and others?
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1507
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
That would be fun, my Lords.
That would be fun, my Lords.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Elton
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, on a slightly different tack, perhaps after Starred Questions the Minister would have a word with the noble Lord, Lord Young of Norwood Green, and look up the word "rendition" in Johnson's dictionary, where I am sure it has a totally different meaning to that which has been given this afternoon.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1508
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I would hope that by 21 February all the relevant information would be available. May I say, though, that it is potentially a leap of imagination to suggest that the flights necessarily mean that people were improperly held on them? There is no such evidence. If there is such evidence it should be brought forward.
My Lords, I would hope that by 21 February all the relevant information would be available. May I say, though, that it is potentially a leap of imagination to suggest that the flights necessarily mean that people were improperly held on them? There is no such evidence. If there is such evidence it should be brought forward.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Tomlinson
(Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for acknowledging the role that the Council of Europe plays in this regard. As a member of the Legal Affairs Committee of the Council of Europe on your Lordships’ behalf, perhaps I may say that we are deeply disturbed at the failure of EUROCONTROL to give any indication in response to inquiries about the patterns of flights that it has been asked to account for. It is all very well the member states giving their responses to the Secretary General, but can my noble friend assure us that pressure will be brought on EUROCONTROL? At the moment it seems to be controlling itself and not to be subject to any sort of international direction.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1506-7
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am not sure that I am in a position to give that undertaking, but I can certainly see the merit of the argument and I will pursue it.
My Lords, I am not sure that I am in a position to give that undertaking, but I can certainly see the merit of the argument and I will pursue it.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Wallace of Saltaire
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, on the British involvement, we know that a number of the suspected flights have refuelled in this country. These are all covered by US/UK agreements, signed and negotiated either during or immediately after the Second World War and renewed every 10 years, in almost all cases without parliamentary debate. Can the Government give an assurance that next time the US/UK agreements come to be renewed, they will receive proper parliamentary scrutiny in both Houses?
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1507
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I emphasise that the figure is an estimate. My understanding is that these flights have been going on for a very long time. The most recent discussion has been with regard to what has happened since 1997—since the general election of that year. Information on that and on the precise arrangements that have existed since the beginning of the presidency of President Bush was provided in the other place.
My Lords, I emphasise that the figure is an estimate. My understanding is that these flights have been going on for a very long time. The most recent discussion has been with regard to what has happened since 1997—since the general election of that year. Information on that and on the precise arrangements that have existed since the beginning of the presidency of President Bush was provided in the other place.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Howell of Guildford
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, the Minister mentioned 400 flights. Over what period did they take place? The former American Secretary of State, Colin Powell, said yesterday that these things have been going on for a very long time. Is it correct that they have been going on since the Second World War? Can the Minister explain whether this is a recent development or whether it has been going on for years?
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1508
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I think there are routine discussions between officials in the United States, individual countries and the European Union. It is in the course of clarifying the content of some of those discussions that Condoleezza Rice made the point that the United States is bound by the rule of law, that it does not subscribe to torture and that it does not send people to places to be tortured. She made those statements in very plain terms. I think that we were right to welcome those statements, irrespective of whether minutes are kept. I am not aware of there being minutes of those informal discussions.
My Lords, I think there are routine discussions between officials in the United States, individual countries and the European Union. It is in the course of clarifying the content of some of those discussions that Condoleezza Rice made the point that the United States is bound by the rule of law, that it does not subscribe to torture and that it does not send people to places to be tortured. She made those statements in very plain terms. I think that we were right to welcome those statements, irrespective of whether minutes are kept. I am not aware of there being minutes of those informal discussions.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Baroness D'Souza
(Crossbench)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, have there been any discussions or meetings in the past three years between the European Union and the USA on the procedure of extraordinary rendition and the need for greater collaboration between the European Union and the USA? If there have been meetings, are there any minutes of them?
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1507-8
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the primary responsibility for investigating these allegations lies with national governments and with the Council of Europe in so far as the European Convention on Human Rights is concerned. The Secretary General of the Council of Europe has asked for information from member states on this issue by 21 February. In response to a request for clarification from the European Union, the United States Secretary of State made a detailed public statement on 5 December.
My Lords, the primary responsibility for investigating these allegations lies with national governments and with the Council of Europe in so far as the European Convention on Human Rights is concerned. The Secretary General of the Council of Europe has asked for information from member states on this issue by 21 February. In response to a request for clarification from the European Union, the United States Secretary of State made a detailed public statement on 5 December.
Answered by
Lord Triesman
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Lamont of Lerwick
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
When the European Union expects to complete its inquiry into whether United States prisons for interrogating those suspected of being involved in terrorism have been established within the territory of the European Union.
Subjects
Detainees; EU countries; EU action; Prisons; Terrorism; USA
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1506
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department for what offences custodial sentences were imposed on mothers in the last 12 months for which information is available; and how many mothers serving custodial sentences (a) have and (b) do not have their child with them in prison.
To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department for what offences custodial sentences were imposed on mothers in the last 12 months for which information is available; and how many mothers serving custodial sentences (a) have and (b) do not have their child with them in prison.
Asked by
Lord Field of Birkenhead
(Labour)
Answered by
Fiona Mactaggart
(Labour)
Answering body
Home Office
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
5 December 2005
For answer on
8 December 2005
Answered on
19 December 2005
Information on the number of mothers sentenced to custodial sentences, and the offences for which they were sentenced, is not centrally available. During the period 29 November 2004 to 28 November 2005 the number of women who had a child with them in a Mother and Baby Unit (MBU) in a prison ranged between 38 and 66 per week and averaged 44 per week. Figures on the number of women prisoners who have children resident in the community are not available centrally.
Subjects
Custodial treatment; Prisoners; Prisons; Mothers; Sentencing
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
35808; 440 c2356W
House
House of Commons
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Perhaps I may ask him a question which the Prime Minister appeared to want to avoid answering. What is the legitimate purpose of so-called rendition—moving prisoners from one country to another, or, in one acknowledged case, moving a person from a prison in the continent of Europe to Afghanistan? Secondly, if, as the Prime Minister emphasised, America is dead set against torture, why did Vice-President Cheney ask American Senators to vote against the McCain amendment banning torture?
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Perhaps I may ask him a question which the Prime Minister appeared to want to avoid answering. What is the legitimate purpose of so-called rendition—moving prisoners from one country to another, or, in one acknowledged case, moving a person from a prison in the continent of Europe to Afghanistan? Secondly, if, as the Prime Minister emphasised, America is dead set against torture, why did Vice-President Cheney ask American Senators to vote against the McCain amendment banning torture?
Asked by
Lord Lamont of Lerwick
(Conservative)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
19 December 2005
My Lords, were Vice-President Cheney here to answer for his views, I have no doubt that the question would be more relevantly asked of him. There has now been acceptance by the administration that it is desirable to clarify the matter by adopting that amendment. My own view—not the Vice-President’s but my view—is that that is helpful. ““Rendition”” is, of course, a word which is used to describe a variety of things. There are cases where prisoners are transferred legally—under legal and proper schemes—between countries. Two examples have been used to illustrate the point most recently but, in the interests of time, I shall use just one. The rendition, if you want to call it that, of Carlos the Jackal at the request of the French Government was one such movement of an international criminal and terrorist who faced justice, trial and conviction in France. He made the claim to the European Commission on Human Rights that it was an unlawful thing to do, but the commission found that it was perfectly lawful.
Subjects
Detainees; Prisoners' transfers; Terrorism; Torture; USA; EU countries; EU action; Prisons
Date
19 December 2005
Reference
676 c1506
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords