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Further Education and Training Bill (HL). Second reading debate. Amendment negatived on division (137 to 296). Main question agreed to on question. Programme motion for proceedings in Committee, on Report, Third reading and other proceedings agreed to on question. Money resolution agreed to on question.

Lead member
Alan Johnson
Answering member
Lord Willetts
Department
Department for Education and Skills
Type
Debates on bills
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c994-1079
House
House of Commons

That is certainly worth revisiting. There have always been difficulties with it and with the 16-hour rule. No one is advancing unlimited resources tonight. As a general principle, we must promote people’s studies, not frustrate them in their pursuit of those studies. There are concerns across the piece—and they have...

Member
Lord Boswell of Aynho (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1019-21
House
House of Commons

Let me begin with an acknowledgement, a regret and a plea. First, I acknowledge how the Minister has fully briefed the Opposition on the Bill and listened to my arguments and those of my colleagues and other interested parties. This House is at its best when our formulaic partisan exchanges...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1064-5
House
House of Commons

Will the Secretary of State tell us what he means by the new sub-regional structure that he has proposed for learning and skills councils?

Member
Lord Willetts (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c995
House
House of Commons

I can give my hon. Friend an assurance that we are listening carefully to representations, and I shall come on to what we plan to do with that particular aspect of the Bill. The Bill is divided into four parts. Part 1 relates to the Learning and Skills Council for...

Member
Alan Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c995
House
House of Commons

On that point, my right hon. Friend will be aware of an exchange that I had with the Deputy Prime Minister about the wonderful West Cheshire college, which is in my constituency and that of my hon. Friend the Member for City of Chester (Christine Russell). It has made representations...

Member
Andrew Miller (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c995
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. Our further education system has seen unprecedented investment and reform in recent years, and continued reform is vital if the United Kingdom is to become a country with world-class skills by 2020. In the past, education was...

Member
Alan Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c994-5
House
House of Commons

Having worked in a previous incarnation for a training and enterprise council, and having experienced four reorganisations in the past five years, may I ask whether the Secretary of State seriously believes that the training and skills needs of, for instance, Kingston upon Hull, are the same as those of...

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c996
House
House of Commons

The skills challenge is a United Kingdom issue. Indeed, the commission for employment and skills will be a UK-wide body, so there will be an umbrella organisation covering the whole UK. It is perfectly possible in that situation to make arrangements to ensure that the skills needs in aerospace, for...

Member
Alan Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c996
House
House of Commons

Clauses 11 and 12 allow the Learning and Skills Council for England both to make arrangements with Scottish Ministers and to allow it to take part in arrangements made by such Ministers in relation to assisting people"““to select, train for, obtain and retain employment””." Will the Secretary of State explain...

Member
Stewart Hosie (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c996
House
House of Commons

First, I am delighted to see the hon. Gentleman in the Chamber. May I say how much we support his stance in seeking to convince his party to, in his words, ““confront the evidence””? It is a huge compliment to Tony Crosland that the Opposition have someone like the hon....

Member
Alan Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c995-6
House
House of Commons

No, of course I do not believe that that is the case. However, I believe that we need a strategic overview of skills in each of the nine regions in exactly the same way that there is an overview of all other aspects of economic development. Indeed, since their foundation,...

Member
Alan Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c996
House
House of Commons

I agree with my right hon. Friend’s response to that question, but does he agree that we must ensure that the quality of further education is raised to an equal level across the whole country? In that way, we will establish local flexibility, and equity for everyone.

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c996-7
House
House of Commons

I certainly am suggesting that. If 40 per cent. of jobs are to be filled by graduates and we have an ambition for 50 per cent. of 18 to 30-year-olds to be in higher education—not at university but in higher education, which will include taking foundation degrees in FE colleges—we...

Member
Alan Johnson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1000-1
House
House of Commons

We have had a good and constructive debate, and I am grateful to all hon. Members who contributed to it. I start by reciprocating the acknowledgment of the hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes) that we have rightly discussed the Bill across the Benches and improved...

Member
Bill Rammell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1070
House
House of Commons

Does the hon. Lady agree that what she is describing very eloquently is education as a second chance—the opportunity to go back and correct what one did not do to one’s satisfaction the first time round? If she agrees with that, would she further agree that it is important that,...

Member
Jeremy Wright (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1024
House
House of Commons

I agree entirely with the hon. Gentleman’s comments. Indeed, as someone who tore up all her school books and put them in the bin on the last day of school, I was absolutely delighted to find that FE was exactly the place for me, and I saw that as a...

Member
Angela C Smith (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1023-4
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady speaks with both eloquence and feeling. Does she acknowledge that many of the people she is describing are attracted back into education through non-accredited courses? The Government have focused on accredited level 2 training and non-accredited courses are under threat. How damaging is that to the kind...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1025
House
House of Commons

Indeed. It has to be said that, given the way in which our economy is now structured and moves, it is important that we remember that people need to reskill and move on continuously throughout their lives. In the context of second chances, it is also important to remember that...

Member
Angela C Smith (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1024-5
House
House of Commons

It is entirely true that what we in the trade call small, bite-sized chunks of learning can play a valuable part in building adult returnees’ confidence and capacity so that they can move on to the more formal accredited learning opportunities that FE offers. I understand that the Government’s direction...

Member
Angela C Smith (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2007
Reference
460 c1025-8
House
House of Commons