My Lords, will the Minister explain a problem I have with the amendment so far as it introduces the words ““some or all of”” in respect of the members of the public? Subsection (3) of Clause 1 uses the phrase,"““statements that are likely to be understood by members of the...

My Lords, will the Minister explain a problem I have with the amendment so far as it introduces the words ““some or all of”” in respect of the members of the public? Subsection (3) of Clause 1 uses the phrase,"““statements that are likely to be understood by members of the...

I am grateful to the Minister for the reply. I was aware of the provision in the Terrorism Act to which she refers. Had I been about my work at that time, I think that I would have raised the same point. However, I accept that, although it is not entirely correct to say that procurators...

I am grateful to the Minister for the reply. I was aware of the provision in the Terrorism Act to which she refers. Had I been about my work at that time, I think that I would have raised the same point. However, I accept that, although it is not entirely correct to say that procurators...

moved Amendment No. 103:"Page 17, line 32, at end insert—" ““(c)   may be instituted in Scotland only with the consent of the Lord Advocate”” The noble and learned Lord said: The amendment would add a further paragraph to subsection (1), which would provide that in Scotland proceedings for any offence under this...

moved Amendment No. 103:"Page 17, line 32, at end insert—" ““(c)   may be instituted in Scotland only with the consent of the Lord Advocate”” The noble and learned Lord said: The amendment would add a further paragraph to subsection (1), which would provide that in Scotland proceedings for any offence under this...

I am grateful to the Minister for that reply; time for reflection on both parts would be helpful in these matters, as in others. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 76 to 78 not moved.] Clause 5 agreed to. Clause 6 [Training for terrorism]:

I am grateful to the Minister for that reply; time for reflection on both parts would be helpful in these matters, as in others. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 76 to 78 not moved.] Clause 5 agreed to. Clause 6 [Training for terrorism]:

moved Amendment No. 70:"Page 6, line 42, leave out paragraph (b)." The noble and learned Lord said: In moving Amendment No. 70, I shall speak also to Amendments Nos. 71 to 73, which are in my name in the group. The amendments are suggested by the Law Society of Scotland and concern the giving and...

moved Amendment No. 70:"Page 6, line 42, leave out paragraph (b)." The noble and learned Lord said: In moving Amendment No. 70, I shall speak also to Amendments Nos. 71 to 73, which are in my name in the group. The amendments are suggested by the Law Society of Scotland and concern the giving and...

I am grateful to the Minister for giving that explanation, but I am not entirely content with it. This is all to do with trying to prevent material being published on the Internet, so it is important that steps should be taken as soon as possible. It appears to me, with respect...

I am grateful to the Minister for giving that explanation, but I am not entirely content with it. This is all to do with trying to prevent material being published on the Internet, so it is important that steps should be taken as soon as possible. It appears to me, with respect...

I have a certain problem with the proposals. The interpolation of judicial authority relates to a notice that is declaratory that, as Clause 3(3)(a) says,"““the statement or the article or record is unlawfully””—" observe the word—"““terrorism-related””." My concern is whether it is appropriate that in a matter of this kind the court...

I have a certain problem with the proposals. The interpolation of judicial authority relates to a notice that is declaratory that, as Clause 3(3)(a) says,"““the statement or the article or record is unlawfully””—" observe the word—"““terrorism-related””." My concern is whether it is appropriate that in a matter of this kind the court...

Can the Minister help me a little? Clause 6(2) provides for the person committing an offence if,"““at the time of the instruction or training””—" in the skills mentioned in subsection (3), which, I observe, include noxious substances and the like—"““he intends to use the skills in which he is being instructed or...

Can the Minister help me a little? Clause 6(2) provides for the person committing an offence if,"““at the time of the instruction or training””—" in the skills mentioned in subsection (3), which, I observe, include noxious substances and the like—"““he intends to use the skills in which he is being instructed or...

moved Amendment No. 75:"Page 8, line 4, after ““liable”” insert—" ““(a)””    The noble and learned Lord said: This amendment is grouped with Amendments Nos. 76 to 78. It is a probing amendment to discover the policy considerations for subsection (3), which, as the clause is presently framed, provides in relation to the offence...

moved Amendment No. 75:"Page 8, line 4, after ““liable”” insert—" ““(a)””    The noble and learned Lord said: This amendment is grouped with Amendments Nos. 76 to 78. It is a probing amendment to discover the policy considerations for subsection (3), which, as the clause is presently framed, provides in relation to the offence...

moved Amendment No. 23:"Page 2, line 48, at end insert ““knowingly””" The noble and learned Lord said: Amendments are coming up that deal with the point with which this amendment is concerned, the concept of guilty intent, which should be brought into this clause. Since what is proposed later on is...

moved Amendment No. 23:"Page 2, line 48, at end insert ““knowingly””" The noble and learned Lord said: Amendments are coming up that deal with the point with which this amendment is concerned, the concept of guilty intent, which should be brought into this clause. Since what is proposed later on is...

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

moved Amendment No. 87:"Page 11, line 5, after ““to”” insert ““a term of””" The noble and learned Lord said: The Minister forestalled me because I was going to ask leave of the Committee to do so. I have already set out the basis on which these amendments proceed, which is to discover penal...

moved Amendment No. 87:"Page 11, line 5, after ““to”” insert ““a term of””" The noble and learned Lord said: The Minister forestalled me because I was going to ask leave of the Committee to do so. I have already set out the basis on which these amendments proceed, which is to discover penal...

I am very grateful to the Minister for that assurance. In these circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 88 not moved.]

I am very grateful to the Minister for that assurance. In these circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 88 not moved.]

Perhaps the Minister could tell me whether, as presently framed, the provisions mean that on conviction there is a mandatory life imprisonment? Or is he saying that there is a range of sentences available by way of imprisonment that could be less than life imprisonment?

Perhaps the Minister could tell me whether, as presently framed, the provisions mean that on conviction there is a mandatory life imprisonment? Or is he saying that there is a range of sentences available by way of imprisonment that could be less than life imprisonment?

I am grateful to those who have taken part in this debate and for the support of the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, for my amendment, which would have placed the burden of proof on the prosecution rather than on the defence in proceedings which had already opened. However, I will reflect on...

I am grateful to those who have taken part in this debate and for the support of the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, for my amendment, which would have placed the burden of proof on the prosecution rather than on the defence in proceedings which had already opened. However, I will reflect on...

moved Amendment No. 84:"Page 10, line 16, at end insert ““, or" (c)   having become aware or having formed the belief that instruction or training is being provided there wholly or partly for purposes connected with the commission or preparation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences, he fails to take all...

moved Amendment No. 84:"Page 10, line 16, at end insert ““, or" (c)   having become aware or having formed the belief that instruction or training is being provided there wholly or partly for purposes connected with the commission or preparation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences, he fails to take all...

We have been talking about encouragement, but I remind noble Lords that the phrase used in Clause 1(1) is not merely ““encouragement””, but also ““or other inducement””. That may be one of the issues which arise in relation to matters such as promise of reward, either here or hereafter. I have one...

We have been talking about encouragement, but I remind noble Lords that the phrase used in Clause 1(1) is not merely ““encouragement””, but also ““or other inducement””. That may be one of the issues which arise in relation to matters such as promise of reward, either here or hereafter. I have one...

When I moved the amendment I think I said that it was a probing amendment. I realise now that it was a lance that was being employed, and that I have been offered, in what the Minister very generously said in response, material which goes far beyond what I intended. I was concerned not with intent, in...

When I moved the amendment I think I said that it was a probing amendment. I realise now that it was a lance that was being employed, and that I have been offered, in what the Minister very generously said in response, material which goes far beyond what I intended. I was concerned not with intent, in...

moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 1, line 5, leave out from ““statement”” to ““as”” in line 6 and insert ““which members of the public to whom it is published could reasonably be expected to understand””" The noble and learned Lord said: The amendment is grouped with Amendments Nos. 11, 13, 16, 29, 33, 35 and...

moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 1, line 5, leave out from ““statement”” to ““as”” in line 6 and insert ““which members of the public to whom it is published could reasonably be expected to understand””" The noble and learned Lord said: The amendment is grouped with Amendments Nos. 11, 13, 16, 29, 33, 35 and...