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Finance (No. 2) Bill

I am obliged to the hon. Gentleman, who has moved on to the point that I wanted to raise. The problem is his umbrella assertion that there is an HCI industry. I do not readily accept that there is such an industry that will be abolished by the legislation. I believe that the figures quoted by my right hon. Friend the Paymaster General are correct and that there has been a take-up over the last couple of years of only 4 per cent. That being the case, it is not clear what industry has supposed to have grown up over that time. The hon. Gentleman is talking about an industry that sells computers, which has been around for a long time. That industry will continue, irrespective of whether this particular legislation goes ahead. The hon. Gentleman has not taken into account the fact that the scheme will move on to a different phase, focused on provision for the elderly and the unemployed who really need these IT skills—[Interruption.]