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Proceeding contribution from Lord Dear (Crossbench) in the House of Lords on Monday, 13 October 2008. It occurred during Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Counter-Terrorism Bill.


Counter-Terrorism Bill

I understand that the detainees in Guantanamo were arrested outside the USA and its jurisdiction. Thirdly, there is almost universal opposition to what the Government propose. It almost beggars belief that any Administration could embark on such a course. Just look at the list of those who oppose the Government: the Law Society; Amnesty; Liberty; Justice; the previous Attorney-General; the previous Solicitor-General and Lord Chancellor; and successive Directors of Public Prosecutions. There are many others, but perhaps the most important person to note in that list is the Director of Public Prosecutions. DPPs are uniquely required to evaluate evidence as it comes in during the course of the investigation, make a professional judgment on the adequacy of the material and watch the time on the judicial clock. The police and the security services have conducted some outstanding operations in recent years, but the DPP alone is the best judge, arguably the only judge, of the evidential state of play. The police have a view, of course, but the DPP is the one who we should listen to on this point, and successive directors have opposed the proposed changes. The official position of the police via the ACPO is now merely that the extension to 42 days would be advantageous, and it would be from the standpoint of purely investigative procedures alone. However, I have to tell this House that numerous chief constables have told me privately that they see no reason for the extension and that they do not support it. As an aside, I can only say would that some public servants were less afraid of speaking out openly. Fourthly, as for the suggested mechanism by which the Government would seek to extend from 28 to 42 days—it is set out in Clause 23 and thereafter—frankly, I have nothing but scorn for it. It is a Byzantine procedure that seeks to give Parliament a quasi-judicial role and runs grave risks of breaching sub judice arrangements. It has been roundly condemned, in particular by Mr Andy Hayman, who until recently was the assistant commissioner in the Metropolitan Police charged with co-ordinating all national counterterrorism operations. In a long article in the Times on 6 October, he wrote a number of things in virtually rubbishing this Bill. He wrote: "““The Bill is about politics and it won't work””." He also wrote that, "““the Government's current proposals are not fit for purpose: they are bureaucratic, convoluted and unworkable””." I invite noble Lords to agree with me that he should know what he is talking about.


Secondary information

Type
Proceeding contribution
Reference
704 c492-3 
Session
2007-08
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Subjects
Civil liberties Bail Detainees Computers Intelligence services ICT Human rights Legal aid scheme National security Prosecutions Police interrogation Sentencing Terrorism Remand in custody
Legislation
Counter-terrorism Bill 2007-08
Link
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