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Climate Change Bill [Lords]

I cannot give the hon. Gentleman a definitive answer on what the cap should be in 2012, but his general point is correct. We do not see CCS as an alternative to the ETS, but as a complementary policy. The whole point of an emissions trading scheme is that it drives technological change. I am sorry that Ministers do not accept the verdict of Lord Stern—in a report commissioned by the Government—that"““Carbon pricing alone will not be sufficient to reduce emissions on the scale and pace needed””." Perhaps the Minister can say now whether she refutes those words. If not, I hope that she will join us in supporting an emissions performance standard that is the most market friendly approach to driving CCS.