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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 28 October 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Joan Ruddock. The answering member was Lord Barker of Battle.

Climate Change Bill [Lords]

Climate Change Bill (HL). Report stage debate. New clauses 14 to 17 agreed to on question. New clause 11 negatived on division (280 to 202). New clause 14 negatived on division (280 to 62). New clause 18 agreed to on division (476 to 5). New schedule 1 agreed to. Third reading debate agreed to on division (463 to 3). Bill passed with amendments.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
481 c733-842 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Energy and Climate Change
Legislative stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 481 c797 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is not a word that we tend to use in the House. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman would like ge...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c733 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
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William Cash | 481 c735 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister care to comment on a problem that could easily arise if, on the one hand, the Com...
Speaker | 481 c760-1 (Link to this contribution) Order. The right hon. Gentleman is an experienced and skilful debater in this House, but I think tha...
Lord Lilley | 481 c761 (Link to this contribution) Of course I take your remarks to heart, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We have to remember the normal laws of ...
David Howarth | 481 c761 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman will of course be aware of the work that Professor Barker did with Pan, Köh...
Speaker | 481 c761 (Link to this contribution) Order. Oh dear. The hon. Gentleman is enticing the right hon. Member for Hitchin and Harpenden (Mr. ...
Lord Lilley | 481 c761-2 (Link to this contribution) I will do just that and avoid discussing with the hon. Member for Cambridge (David Howarth) my exper...
Lord Lilley | 481 c762 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Gentleman, who made by far the best speech on Second Reading.
Rob Marris | 481 c762 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. Like other industries, aviation and shipping are, of cour...
Lord Lilley | 481 c762 (Link to this contribution) I may be wrong, of course, but I am using the Government's figures. Throughout the debate no one els...
Lord Lilley | 481 c762 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend, who made the equal best speech on Second Reading.
Lord Tyrie | 481 c762 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my right hon. Friend has not devalued the compliment that he threw across the Floor of t...
Graham Stuart | 481 c764 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman; it makes no logical sense for shipping and aviation to be excluded....
Alan Simpson | 481 c764 (Link to this contribution) I understood that the Minister said that she would produce the assessments for the period of the Par...
Lord Lilley | 481 c763 (Link to this contribution) That would be extremely demanding, but the implications of the Government's impact assessment both f...
Alan Simpson | 481 c763-4 (Link to this contribution) There is a real danger of the House misleading itself into debates which, although important, are no...
Barry Gardiner | 481 c767 (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Gentleman agree that it would be possible to allow an expansion of the aviation indus...
Nick Hurd | 481 c767-8 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely—we need to know what we are dealing with. The hon. Gentleman has painted a gentle and att...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 481 c765-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friends and I accept that climate change is a serious environmental threat that we face, whi...
Nick Hurd | 481 c766-7 (Link to this contribution) I rise to give a cautious welcome to the movement by the Government on this important issue, but we ...
John Hemming | 481 c755 (Link to this contribution) I find it somewhat confusing when we talk about shipping emissions. A significant point about shippi...
Speaker | 481 c756 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Lady was prescient. Obviously, we want to have a good debate, but we have a formidab...
Nia Griffith | 481 c756 (Link to this contribution) This issue is about counting and monitoring, which is why it is important that we include mechanisms...
Rob Marris | 481 c756 (Link to this contribution) We are about a quarter of the way into the period from 1990—the base year—to 2050. In the first 15 y...
Nia Griffith | 481 c755 (Link to this contribution) I welcome new clause 15 and pay tribute to the work of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State f...
Nia Griffith | 481 c755 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way, but if the matter is about oil, I suspect that you would prefer me not to refer to...
Tim Yeo | 481 c756-7 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest that is in the register: I am a director of Eurotunnel, which provides a low-c...
Nia Griffith | 481 c756 (Link to this contribution) I think that we need the mechanism of the Bill in order to give us determination. My hon. Friend rig...
Lord Lilley | 481 c759-60 (Link to this contribution) I am not in any way disputing what the hon. Gentleman says, but no hon. Members, in either the House...
Christopher Chope | 481 c760 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Lilley | 481 c759 (Link to this contribution) I draw the House's attention to my declaration in the Register of Members' Interests. In the speech...
Elliot Morley | 481 c759 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman will find that, apart from the Stern report, which addressed the issue of c...
Steve Webb | 481 c758 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman recognise that Government new clause 15 is entirely about a duty on the Clim...
David Chaytor | 481 c758-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree. Clause 10 is very specific when it states:"““The following matters must be taken int...
Tim Yeo | 481 c757 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to see the Minister nodding her assent. As I mentioned in my intervention, I also hope tha...
David Chaytor | 481 c758 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Minister and her former ministerial colleagues on steering the Bil...
Lord Lilley | 481 c760 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a moment, and especially to the hon. Member for Morley and Rothwell (Colin Challe...
Colin Challen | 481 c760 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Sammy Wilson | 481 c774 (Link to this contribution) First, I have to say how pleased I am that, at least towards the end of the debate on this group of ...
Mike Weir | 481 c774 (Link to this contribution) But there is a basis for calculating the figures for sovereign states, as I understand it, and progr...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c774-5 (Link to this contribution) I think I have already made it clear that 46 per cent. of climate scientists believe that climate ch...
Rob Marris | 481 c774 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that human activity is a significant contributory factor to the chang...
David Chaytor | 481 c775 (Link to this contribution) I am curious about the 46 per cent. of climate scientists. Will the hon. Gentleman tell the House wh...
Rob Marris | 481 c772 (Link to this contribution) I humbly suggest to the right hon. Gentleman that he is completely wrong. There is no question of ““...
Lord Deben | 481 c772 (Link to this contribution) But surely the alternative is even worse. If the hon. Gentleman is suggesting that we should have ta...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c774 (Link to this contribution) It might be helpful if I clarify this point. There is a real difference between knowing what global ...
Mike Weir | 481 c772-4 (Link to this contribution) I will be relatively brief, as most of the issues have probably been covered by now. I welcome the a...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c776-7 (Link to this contribution) I note that, but as was pointed out earlier, the discount rates in Lord Stern's report grossly exagg...
Barry Gardiner | 481 c776 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the research carried out by Lord Stern and others, showing that the c...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c775-6 (Link to this contribution) I accept that I was probably led astray by the Members who intervened; they diverted me from the poi...
Mark Lazarowicz | 481 c775 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give the House the source of his assertion that 46 per cent. of scientists d...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c775 (Link to this contribution) If one looks at the second IPCC report, one can see that Sir John Houghton suggested that he had exc...
Speaker | 481 c775 (Link to this contribution) These are matters that hon. Members can safely leave to the Chair.
Colin Challen | 481 c775 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Will we be able to return to the question of aviation and s...
Lord Tyrie | 481 c775 (Link to this contribution) Professor von Storch, who is probably Germany's leading climate scientist, undertook that survey. Un...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c775 (Link to this contribution) I do not have the names of the two scientists involved, but they are associated with the Hamburg ins...
Charles Walker | 481 c768-9 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that we are debating the inclusion of aviation and shipping in the Bill; such matters need...
Nick Hurd | 481 c768 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Government on moving from an unsustainable position on the inclusion of aviation ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c769 (Link to this contribution) In a sense, it is a pity that today's business is not subject to any knives, because that means that...
Nick Hurd | 481 c768 (Link to this contribution) If it is about oil, the answer is no.
John Hemming | 481 c768 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that shipping is one of the modes of transport that, historically, op...
Graham Stuart | 481 c768 (Link to this contribution) This is a question not only of aviation but of shipping. We are a major maritime nation, but little ...
John Hemming | 481 c768 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Nick Hurd | 481 c768 (Link to this contribution) I accept that point completely. It is coming through in all the evidence received by the Environment...
Lynne Jones | 481 c772 (Link to this contribution) I take my hon. Friend's point about the seriousness with which we must approach the targets. Clearly...
Rob Marris | 481 c771-2 (Link to this contribution) The figures that I received from the Library about nine to 12 months ago indicated that between 1999...
Lord Tyrie | 481 c771 (Link to this contribution) I strongly agree with the hon. Gentleman's line of argument. He might also like to point out that al...
Rob Marris | 481 c770-1 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly saddened that the Minister of Environment in the Northern Ireland Assembly is apparent...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c770 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that he has been seized of the idea for the past 35 years, but 35 years ago,...
Rob Marris | 481 c770 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Member for Hitchin and Harpenden (Mr. Lilley) kindly praised me in his interesting re...
Colin Challen | 481 c770 (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Gentleman therefore argue that people such as Richard Branson should not try to reinv...
Christopher Chope | 481 c769-70 (Link to this contribution) I agree, but I shall concentrate on aviation, aerospace manufacturing and shipping because they are ...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c769 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the hon. Gentleman's point that targets set for a time when most of us will not be in t...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister is right that the Government are leading the world in carbon capture and storage, wi...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) I might invite the hon. Gentleman to consider how much he wants to back—[Interruption.] Oh, he says ...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) I share the right hon. Gentleman's aspirations. We are one of the few countries in the world that wi...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) I am always keen to go further and faster, so I understand my hon. Friend's point, but I am not goin...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c784 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, we are not prejudging the issue, but I must make the following point to the hon. Gentleman....
Joan Ruddock | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) I repeat that we are not prejudging the decision, but the new clause would prejudge any decision.
Graham Stuart | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) Surely when the energy sector is the one sector through which, using today's technology, we can deli...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c784 (Link to this contribution) I hear what my hon. Friend says. I was advised on this, and there are procedures, but I am more than...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c784 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister therefore saying that this Government would condone and want to see the building of ...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c783 (Link to this contribution) As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has just pointed out from a sedentary position, our D...
Lynne Jones | 481 c783-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says that the new Department is acting swiftly, but I have just heard her say that th...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c783 (Link to this contribution) This very belated conversion to feed-in tariffs—which the Conservatives have been campaigning on for...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c783 (Link to this contribution) I understand that we all have our enthusiasms and that the right hon. Gentleman has an enthusiasm fo...
Lord Deben | 481 c783 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister explain why she has not taken this moment to ensure that the arrangements, particu...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c782-3 (Link to this contribution) I am a bit of an enthusiast for heat pumps, and I am very much alive to the issue that the hon. Gent...
Robert Smith | 481 c782 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister will know, people who are not on the gas main find it extremely difficult to heat th...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c782 (Link to this contribution) I can certainly give my hon. Friend that assurance. I pay tribute to her for the work that she has d...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c779 (Link to this contribution) I think that when we consider the Bill's passage—how we are moving towards, we hope, an Act of Parli...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c780 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 481 c780-1 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 10— Sectoral targets ““2A Sec...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c781-2 (Link to this contribution) The new clauses and amendments contain various proposals to tackle emissions from particular sectors...
Joan Walley | 481 c782 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the proposals that my hon. Friend is describing. Can she assure me that she will take acco...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c779 (Link to this contribution) He made them on Second Reading and he has made them again today, at some length. Details of costs w...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c779 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may say that, but we have included in this flagship Bill provision for an indepen...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c778 (Link to this contribution) I do not think I should. We are running badly behind time. The right hon. Member for Hitchin and Ha...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c779 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has made his points many times before.
Joan Ruddock | 481 c777-8 (Link to this contribution) I note from the clock that we have spent three hours on the first group of amendments; we have five ...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c777 (Link to this contribution) I shall not go into all that, as I have probably pushed your indulgence to the limit, Mr. Deputy Spe...
David Leslie Taylor | 481 c777 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend—well, he is a friend outside the Chamber—for giving way. In articulating the ...
Sammy Wilson | 481 c777 (Link to this contribution) I was about to close, but I will give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Joan Ruddock | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) I would take issue with the hon. Gentleman's last remark. I do not think that it has ever been claim...
David Chaytor | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) When does the Minister expect the results of the CCS competition to come through, and when will it b...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that my hon. Friend has posed that question, because I am not in a position to give him a...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) Oh, it is coming from the ETS credits. Fine.
Speaker | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) Order. We cannot have casual, chatty conversations. Proper interventions are far more satisfactory.
Joan Ruddock | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Joan Ruddock | 481 c786-7 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps my hon. Friend will listen to the rest of my remarks and then make up her mind about what sh...
Lynne Jones | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) I have supported new clause 11. Given the reservations of my hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampto...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c788 (Link to this contribution) I never want to anticipate the lights going out, but I can confirm that everything else my hon. Frie...
David Heath | 481 c788 (Link to this contribution) I am puzzled, because the Minister has said on a large number of occasions that she does not want to...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c787 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that I need to respond to those remarks.
Barry Gardiner | 481 c787 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend be kind enough to confirm that if we were to accept new clause 11, as proposed b...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c787 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is speaking good sense. Unfortunately, she is not articulating Government policy, whic...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c787 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for his contribution. I am trying to say to the House that it will be e...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c787 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is absolutely right. Let me be absolutely clear: the Conservatives are saying that no ...
Gavin Strang | 481 c787 (Link to this contribution) This point is hugely important. As far as Peterhead is concerned, that was gas, and sadly we can now...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c788 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I cannot agree with the hon. Gentleman.
Joan Ruddock | 481 c788-9 (Link to this contribution) What I know is that new clause 11 says that we should not have any new coal-fired power stations unl...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c789 (Link to this contribution) Anyone who has heard me speak about climate change will know that my party has long recognised that ...
Lord Deben | 481 c789 (Link to this contribution) Would it not be easier to do all this if home owners could see, at a glance, how much money they wer...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c789 (Link to this contribution) Sadly, I cannot give my right hon. Friend a good answer to that. Conservative Members have been cham...
Paddy Tipping | 481 c789 (Link to this contribution) I support the hon. Gentleman on the introduction of smart metering. He will know that discussions ar...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c789-90 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to be drawn any further, because I am mindful of the time. If the hon. Gentleman woul...
Colin Challen | 481 c790 (Link to this contribution) On new clause 11, what level of kilograms of CO2 per megawatt-hour does the hon. Gentleman have in m...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c788 (Link to this contribution) I wish to make some progress now, not least because I want us to get to the other groups of amendmen...
Graham Stuart | 481 c788 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to follow the hon. Lady's argument about how brand new coal-fired power stations, which ...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c791 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not, and certainly that would not happen under a Conservative Government. The Government ma...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 481 c791 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend intend to accompany his proposals with a cost-benefit analysis to ensure that th...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c791 (Link to this contribution) Regardless of what the Government say, the great benefit of our position is that it is clear: there ...
Barry Gardiner | 481 c791 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has been clear, and it is right that we have clarity on this issue. Will he be eq...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c792 (Link to this contribution) I cannot give the hon. Gentleman a definitive answer on what the cap should be in 2012, but his gene...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c791-2 (Link to this contribution) I have to be frank with my right hon. Friend—without carbon capture and storage, we will not meet ou...
Steve Webb | 481 c792 (Link to this contribution) We support the hon. Gentleman's proposal, but the Minister's response was that if emissions are capp...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c790 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, we would look to push that down in the future, with the advent of technology. However, unti...
Lord Deben | 481 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) Could not a deal be done between the Opposition and the Government on this issue? Could we agree if ...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c792 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. We have tried not to be overwhelmingly prescriptive, which is consisten...
David Chaytor | 481 c792 (Link to this contribution) Regardless of the hon. Gentleman's comments about having no new coal-fired power stations without CC...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c792 (Link to this contribution) Not at all. I have told the hon. Gentleman what a Conservative Government would do. We would follow ...
David Chaytor | 481 c792 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that that admission blows a hole in his policy on CCS?
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c794 (Link to this contribution) When the Government first introduced the CERT order in January, we were critical of it on several co...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c793 (Link to this contribution) This is a very rare parliamentary occasion when I find myself in the slightest disagreement with my ...
Lord Deben | 481 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend come back to the point about carbon capture? Would it not be helpful if we could...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is spot on. Let me conclude on this element of the group of amendments. The ETS is a...
Graham Stuart | 481 c793 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that under this Labour Government we have had posturing on climate change ...
Colin Challen | 481 c796 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome this Bill. It is a major step forward, and certainly a world first, so it is a great...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c795 (Link to this contribution) Some serious concerns have been raised that the costs of CERT will be passed straight on to the cons...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall come on to that question in just a moment, because I want to keep some structure. The hon. G...
Paddy Tipping | 481 c794 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman at least acknowledge that the Government have significantly increased winter...
Colin Challen | 481 c797-8 (Link to this contribution) Why is it important to set these achievable targets, and to put them into statutory form? We need to...
Graham Stuart | 481 c797 (Link to this contribution) I would be delighted to withdraw that word, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Graham Stuart | 481 c797 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a very powerful case, and showing that all the elements in new clause 1...
Speaker | 481 c806 (Link to this contribution) Order. The previous occupant of the Chair pointed that out to the hon. Gentleman, so there is no nee...
Graham Stuart | 481 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to speak in this debate. Following the debate on the previous group of amendments, ...
David Chaytor | 481 c805 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has just argued that at a time of economic slowdown, spraying away tax cuts is no...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c805 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's party's Government has shot our fox on sharing the proceeds of growth; it is ve...
David Chaytor | 481 c805 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman means efficiency savings through sacking consultants—I understand that. I turn b...
Martin Horwood | 481 c805 (Link to this contribution) I just want to put the record straight: that £20 billion would come from savings, not cuts to public...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c804 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is talking a great deal of sense and there is a lot of shared thought across the ...
David Chaytor | 481 c804 (Link to this contribution) I am aware of what Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland have done, so I do not think that it...
Graham Stuart | 481 c804 (Link to this contribution) I have followed the hon. Gentleman's argument with interest. He has just said that in the past 10 ye...
David Chaytor | 481 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) What I have said is that a handful of northern European countries have made more progress than Brita...
David Chaytor | 481 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) New clause 10 is extremely important, and I endorse everything that my hon. Friend the Member for Mo...
Martin Horwood | 481 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has introduced an unfortunately partisan tone into the debate. However, I am happ...
Paddy Tipping | 481 c802 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman spoke about the direction of travel. What is the direction of travel of his own e...
Martin Horwood | 481 c802 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the hon. Gentleman's comments in that respect. As he said, the new clause gives the Secret...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c802 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but we hope that the Bill will stand the test of tim...
Martin Horwood | 481 c800-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is exactly right. The Peterhead project was a classic example of the Government s...
Mike Weir | 481 c800 (Link to this contribution) Is not the situation even worse than that? There was a project at Peterhead that would have put the ...
Colin Challen | 481 c798 (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is true to a great extent, except that new clause 11 provides a power for the Secretary of...
Martin Horwood | 481 c798-800 (Link to this contribution) I join others in congratulating the Government on getting the Bill this far, even though it has been...
Desmond Turner | 481 c798 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that new clause 11 would not prevent, say, the building of the Kingsnorth ...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c814 (Link to this contribution) The amending provisions in the group concern various reporting obligations on both Government and bu...
Elliot Morley | 481 c815 (Link to this contribution) I know that time is pressing, but I wanted to tell my hon. Friend that I greatly welcome the new cla...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c815-7 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my right hon. Friend for making those points and I assure him that we are...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c817 (Link to this contribution) We are disappointed that the Government have not shown greater leadership and urgency on the issue o...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way, because I have too much to deal with. The Conservative Front-Bench spokesm...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c813 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Joan Ruddock | 481 c811 (Link to this contribution) Let me first try to tackle some of the issues raised by the hon. Member for Bexhill and Battle (Greg...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c811 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said in her opening remarks that she was not going to prejudge the issue, but it sounds...
Alan Simpson | 481 c810 (Link to this contribution) I believe that absolutely. I have made the case on many occasions that we have possibly a decade in ...
John Hemming | 481 c810 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Nottingham, South (Alan Simpson) because, apart from the ...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c811 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely not. There is no prejudgment on our part, but the hon. Gentleman is indeed prejudging the...
Graham Stuart | 481 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) I stand corrected, Madam Deputy Speaker. I was searching for a form of words that my constituents do...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman realise that he has made an incredibly powerful case to many hon. Members, a...
Alan Simpson | 481 c809 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the Government could—and I hope that they will. For me, the most exciting point with ...
David Chaytor | 481 c809 (Link to this contribution) Would my hon. Friend accept that we have an opportunity to revisit the 2016 zero carbon target and b...
Alan Simpson | 481 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) It took me quite a long time to decide to add my name to new clause 11. My reservations about it wer...
Speaker | 481 c838 (Link to this contribution) That is not a matter for the Chair, but it may be because the Almighty wants to make a Scotsman like...
Colin Challen | 481 c837-8 (Link to this contribution) I would like to add my welcome to the Bill. It will have an enormous impact on the way in which we o...
Steve Webb | 481 c837 (Link to this contribution) The Bill is welcome and important, and the process of scrutiny has improved it. We welcome the fact ...
Greg Clark | 481 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) I regret that there is little time to thank individually all the people who have contributed to the ...
Ed Miliband | 481 c834-6 (Link to this contribution) I would say to the right hon. Gentleman, who is much more experienced in this House than I am, that ...
Lord Lilley | 481 c834 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way, but there is very little time to waste on th...
Ed Miliband | 481 c834 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. It is right for me to start this Third Rea...
Gavin Strang | 481 c750 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to give way again, because many people who have served on the Public Bill Committee w...
Speaker | 481 c750 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the right hon. Gentleman, but I must remind him that this group of am...
Gavin Strang | 481 c750 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you for that advice, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Gavin Strang | 481 c751 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The crucial issue is the global temperature rise that the world ...
Speaker | 481 c751 (Link to this contribution) I think that the right hon. Gentleman knows that I cannot give any such assurance. The progress that...
Lord Deben | 481 c751 (Link to this contribution) It seems to me that the Government should be congratulated on bringing forward these new clauses. We...
Lord Deben | 481 c751-2 (Link to this contribution) I think I will leave the issue of oil alone, as it has been somewhat widely discussed but is not ent...
Colin Challen | 481 c752 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman also oppose the expansion of our ports and docks? I do not know whethe...
Lord Deben | 481 c752 (Link to this contribution) I wish that the hon. Gentleman, with whom I often agree, had listened more carefully to my argument....
Speaker | 481 c753 (Link to this contribution) Order. We must not get more than two steps ahead in moving towards Third Reading.
Lord Deben | 481 c753 (Link to this contribution) With accustomed care, Mr. Deputy Speaker, you enabled me to get off my chest what I needed to, but d...
Lord Lilley | 481 c753 (Link to this contribution) Do I understand from my right hon. Friend's logic that, while there is a case for being ahead, if ot...
Lord Deben | 481 c753 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not agree with that. If I may say so, I think that my right hon. Friend is entirely wrong. ...
Lord Deben | 481 c754-5 (Link to this contribution) I have obviously not made myself very clear to my hon. Friend. I was making the point that if we do ...
Lord Tyrie | 481 c754 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has just put forward a very good case against unilateralism in shipping and avi...
Lord Deben | 481 c753-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right, and I pressed the Minister earlier about this issue, because there is a...
Barry Gardiner | 481 c753 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. I have been listening to his comments with...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c734-5 (Link to this contribution) Before setting out my reasons for tabling the new clause, I should like to pay tribute to my hon. Fr...
Speaker | 481 c733-4 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 14— International aviation and...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c740 (Link to this contribution) I will give way, and then I will make some progress.
Joan Ruddock | 481 c740-1 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Lady will know, a decision has not yet been taken on Heathrow. When I continue with my s...
David Howarth | 481 c741 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way, perhaps at the right part of her speech now. Is it not the case...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c742 (Link to this contribution) I have just explained the complexity of including shipping emissions, whether unilaterally or within...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c741-2 (Link to this contribution) I have to tell the hon. Gentleman that there is no question of leaving the negotiations to others. W...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c742 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is correct. We want to remain in the forefront and I am sure he will keep u...
Lord Lilley | 481 c742 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Lady assure us that despite her distinguished lifetime career advocating unilateralism,...
David Howarth | 481 c739 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that there was no agreed methodology, and that has been the argument all along, ri...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c739 (Link to this contribution) If I were allowed to make some progress with my speech, I might be able to make the counter-argument...
Gavin Strang | 481 c738 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way, and the whole House will welcome the direction in wh...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c739 (Link to this contribution) I have, dare I say it, some sympathy with what my right hon. Friend says. The Department for Transpo...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c739-40 (Link to this contribution) Of course, we are currently in some difficulties, but we have been able to grow our economy massivel...
Lord Redwood | 481 c739 (Link to this contribution) When the Government came to office, they inherited a fairly easy win on the Kyoto targets with the d...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c739 (Link to this contribution) At the time, we made a prediction about what would happen to our economy, which in fact has since gr...
Graham Stuart | 481 c739 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way; she has been extremely generous. Will she share with t...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c739 (Link to this contribution) I think I would be very unwise to answer that question directly. I am sure I could find some project...
Steve Webb | 481 c737 (Link to this contribution) There is a danger that we will get caught up in technical minutiae and lose sight of the big picture...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c737 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman cannot accuse the Government of just ignoring the issue. As he must know, we have...
Andy Reed | 481 c737 (Link to this contribution) Do we have to be so pessimistic about the contribution that aviation could make to the trading schem...
Jo Swinson | 481 c737 (Link to this contribution) May I draw the Minister back to her remarks about the reporting on different sectors? She has mentio...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c737 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Lady's point, and I shall come on to that eventually. The reason why aviation ...
Tim Yeo | 481 c738 (Link to this contribution) The Climate Change Bill has been used as an example of British leadership in the field of climate ch...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c738 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, the hon. Gentleman has an advantage over me in that he was present in his Committee meeti...
Bob Spink | 481 c738 (Link to this contribution) Let me take the Minister back to a technical minutia. Is she convinced that the methodologies for me...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c738 (Link to this contribution) I am sure the hon. Gentleman may know a little more about the technical minutiae of this matter than...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c735 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Gentleman has some difficulty with European law, but I assure him that the comm...
Mike Weir | 481 c736 (Link to this contribution) Did not Lord Turner also say that aviation and shipping should be included in the 80 per cent. targe...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c736 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is correct in that Lord Turner made reference to the 80 per cent. target and to s...
Lord Deben | 481 c735 (Link to this contribution) Could the Minister help the House by telling us what the Government are doing to further these discu...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c735-6 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the right hon. Gentleman about how important it is for the UK to be in the lead. I do n...
John Hemming | 481 c736 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly confused about this issue. Last Monday, the Prime Minister said that we needed a const...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c736 (Link to this contribution) I shall not speculate on the extraneous matters that the hon. Gentleman has raised. The central poi...
Ian Gibson | 481 c736 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that Lord Turner's assessment is for the short term and, as he goes on to sa...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c736 (Link to this contribution) It is apparent to all of us that we have to have short-term solutions and answers to the problems of...
Gavin Strang | 481 c750 (Link to this contribution) The important thing is the demand for oil. We must use less oil; that is not in dispute. Obviously, ...
John Hemming | 481 c750 (Link to this contribution) I should like to ask the right hon. Gentleman my usual question. If we are going to reduce carbon em...
Gavin Strang | 481 c749-50 (Link to this contribution) I think that the whole House welcomes the movement by the Government in this area. I congratulate th...
Steve Webb | 481 c748-9 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my hon. Friend for that helpful intervention. From our perspective we need to ...
John Hemming | 481 c748 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way to my standard question about oil. Last week the Prime Ministe...
Steve Webb | 481 c748 (Link to this contribution) If it is about oil, no. [Laughter.] Of course I will give way.
Steve Webb | 481 c749 (Link to this contribution) I partly agree with the hon. Gentleman, in the sense that we certainly need a legal framework and pr...
Graham Stuart | 481 c749 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman's point about the impact of aviation and shipping not show the absurdity at ...
Steve Webb | 481 c749 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman rightly says, our new clause 14 would require projections on aviation and ship...
Nick Hurd | 481 c749 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman started his speech with the premise that the Bill places no absolute requirement ...
Elliot Morley | 481 c746-7 (Link to this contribution) There must be provision and planning, as there are for the 2012 time limit, to ensure that aviation ...
Lord Redwood | 481 c745 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend saying he is worried that the Government have not done enough work on possible dis...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c742-5 (Link to this contribution) We warmly welcome the Government's change of heart and measured response in including emissions from...
John Hemming | 481 c745 (Link to this contribution) I am a little confused by the Prime Minister saying that we need an ever-increasing supply of oil. D...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c745 (Link to this contribution) That is a far more concise way of putting the rather laboured argument that I was trying to make fro...
Elliot Morley | 481 c746 (Link to this contribution) I warmly welcome the contribution to the debate by my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary, particularly ...
Lord Barker of Battle | 481 c745 (Link to this contribution) I do not think there is going to be an immediate reduction in the amount of crude oil used as a resu...
Nick Hurd | 481 c746 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman on his amendment, which I support in principle. I note that ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c770 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree less. Richard Branson's success is based on being a buccaneer and an entrepreneur ...
Lord Deben | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) May I help the Minister not to prejudge it by saying that if we build a new power station that is 20...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. I need to make some progress. I want briefly to refer to the debates on new clauses...
Speaker | 481 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 5— Company reporting of greenh...
Lord Deben | 481 c838 (Link to this contribution) The crucial aspect of the Bill is that it sets up a Committee that has a genuine effect on not only ...
Lord Lilley | 481 c750 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Can you assure us that we will have an opportunity to debat...
Lord Deben | 481 c742 (Link to this contribution) I am sympathetic to the concept that the Minister advances: that her hands should not be tied by wri...
Steve Webb | 481 c747-8 (Link to this contribution) Although we welcome the new clause and the Government's acceptance of the spirit of amendment No. 72...
Rob Marris | 481 c772 (Link to this contribution) Willing the means does not mean that we will get there and it can be counter-productive. If I challe...
Paddy Tipping | 481 c785 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend remind me of the Government's policy on carbon capture and storage? Are we not o...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c778-9 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. Let me tell the right hon. Gentleman that costs of between 1 and 2 per cent. of G...
Martin Horwood | 481 c786 (Link to this contribution) Given the Minister's claim that we are in some kind of leadership position on carbon capture and sto...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c787 (Link to this contribution) As I have already said, that prejudges the issue. As I wish to come on to say, there are other issue...
Joan Ruddock | 481 c737 (Link to this contribution) I was, of course, paraphrasing what Lord Turner had said. It was not my personal view that emissions...
Lord Lilley | 481 c838 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Given that we are passing the Climate Change Bill, which is based ...
Justine Greening | 481 c740 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. Will she clarify how the Government will track emissio...
Subjects
Aviation Climate change Environment protection Energy Electricity generation Exhaust emissions International cooperation Pollution control Shipping Carbon emissions UK emissions trading scheme
Legislation
Climate Change Bill (HL) 2007-08
Link
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