Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 28 June 2005, in the House of Lords.

Criminal Defence Service Bill [HL]

Criminal Defence Service Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage. Grand Committee off the floor of the House (Moses Room). Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to. Remaining clauses agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 673 c1-22GC
Session: 2005-06
Department: Department for Constitutional Affairs; Committee of the Whole House (HL)
Legislative stage: Committee stage
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords Grand Committee
Related items: Criminal Defence Service Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 4-EN also published.
Monday, 23 May 2005
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Goodhart | 673 c14-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: "Page 3, line 6, after ““Regulations”” insert ““shall make provision for exc...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c11GC (Link to this contribution) I accept of course that it is perfectly legitimate for the Government to wish to remove abusive appe...; Lord Kingsland | 673 c1-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 2, line 15, leave out ““Secretary of State”” and insert ““Lord Chancello...; Lord Kingsland | 673 c4GC (Link to this contribution) I have no alternative but to withdraw my amendment at this stage, because I am informed by the Deput...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c3-4GC (Link to this contribution) I should say to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mayhew, the clarity I sought was due to ignorance o...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c3GC (Link to this contribution) First, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, that there was no date on the letter—that was ...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c17-8GC (Link to this contribution) I take a minor degree of comfort from the Minister’s explanation that the intention of new paragraph...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c18GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. Apart from any illegal outgoings that we might not recognise, I can...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c18GC (Link to this contribution) I am not so sure. Page 7 of the framework document states that the proposed allowances to be deducte...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c11-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 2, line 24, leave out ““““paragraph 2A or 4”” and insert ““““17A or para...; Lord Haskel | 673 c1GC (Link to this contribution) Before I put the Question that the Title be postponed, I remind your Lordships of two points of proc...; Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 673 c6-7GC (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Government on mitigating the opacity of the Bill by producing the framework docum...; Lord Kingsland | 673 c5GC (Link to this contribution) In turn, I will go back and look at the 2003 order, which drew my attention to one of the schedules....; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c16-7GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, that this is probably the most important amendment. As I...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c17GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord. We shall look at that wording to see whether it would o...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c19GC (Link to this contribution) In a significant number of cases in the magistrates’ courts the costs of defence go well beyond £500...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c13GC (Link to this contribution) I am a huge fan of delegated powers. I will go through the amendments that the noble Lord has tabled...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c11GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes the point very well. I have said that I am quite happy to consider that whole q...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c21-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the infamous letter that I sent because it has provided a backdrop to a number of ...; Lord Kingsland | 673 c22GC (Link to this contribution) I shall withdraw my amendment because I am compelled to do so by the procedure of the Moses Room. I ...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c3GC (Link to this contribution) I am sympathetic with the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland. It is not an issue on which ei...; Lord Ackner | 673 c3GC (Link to this contribution) I can hear the noble Baroness very well.; Lord Ackner | 673 c6GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I will be forgiven for continuing to sit. I support the amendment tabled by the noble Lo...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c5-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 2, line 22, at end insert—" ““( ) In paragraph 4, the words ““Exce...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c4-5GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland. He has the benefit of having before him t...; Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 673 c3GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being present at Second Reading. However, I read the entire debate—not that it t...; Lord Haskel | 673 c14GC (Link to this contribution) Before calling Amendment No. 5, I must inform the Committee that it contains a mistake; that is, ““r...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c14GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to hear the noble Baroness say that she will accept the recommendations of the Delegat...; Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 673 c17GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I am in order to speak after the Minister. I am heartened to hear the noble Baroness say...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c18-9GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord again, but we are describing an average cost of some £500. I ...; Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c8-11GC (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate and I am grateful to those noble Lords who have raised issues arou...; Lord Kingsland | 673 c7-8GC (Link to this contribution) I associate myself with all the speeches that have been made on the topic so far, and I shall add my...; Lord Goodhart | 673 c11GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for that. I shall look with interest at the matter. As I understand it, we are un...; Lord Kingsland | 673 c19-21GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 3, line 27, at end insert—" ““( ) No provision in this section sh...
Subjects: Criminal proceedings Appeals Applications Criminal Defence Service Crown Court Finance Legal aid scheme Eligibility Legal representation Legal Services Commission Legal costs Legal opinion Magistrates' courts Means-tested benefits
Legislation: Criminal Defence Service Bill (HL) 2005-06
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Criminal Defence Service Bill [HL]

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