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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 8 November 2005, in the House of Lords.

Racial and Religious Hatred Bill

Racial and Religious Hatred Bill. Lords report stage.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
675 c509-57 
Session
2005-06
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c556-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Peyton, has set me a difficult challenge. I am to avoid piety and agr...
Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 675 c557 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after such graciousness I can hardly keep my feet—I am slipping all over the place. I am g...
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Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 675 c557 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 5:"Page 3, leave out lines 21 and 22." The ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c552 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, am I right in saying that the gangsters, the thugs—however one might characterise them—who...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c552 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is absolutely right about that. I am grateful to him for mentioning that a ...
Lord Dholakia | 675 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her explanation and to all noble Lords who have particip...
Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 675 c553-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 3, line 10, at end insert—" ““(2)   In this Part— ““religion”” shall m...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c554-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Peyton of Yeovil, ...
Lord Desai | 675 c555 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am reminded of the remark recently made by Madonna; that Tom Cruise could do what he lik...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 675 c555-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise strongly to support my noble friend Lord Peyton of Yeovil, who made some important ...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 675 c551 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, for giving us an opportunity to make absolutely cle...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c551-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I echo the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, on the sense of revulsion one has about ...
Lord Avebury | 675 c550-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Home Office collects figures of offences that are racially or religiously aggravated a...
Bishop of Newcastle | 675 c551 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support in principle the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia. It is importa...
Baroness D'Souza | 675 c549 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I could remind your Lordships of the time in the early 1990s during the height of ...
Lord Avebury | 675 c550 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no doubt that the offence of desecration arouses extremely strong feelings. We ha...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 675 c550 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, part of the difficulty is the way in which the courts react to issues of criminal damage. ...
Viscount Bledisloe | 675 c549-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment is undoubtedly well intentioned, but your Lordships owe some respect to the ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 675 c550 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia. If...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c510-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the House’s agreement, it may be convenient if at this stage I respond to my noble fr...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 675 c512 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that, like me, all noble Lords are grateful for my noble friend’s elucidation of...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 675 c509-10 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 1, line 4, at end insert—" ““(   )   Nothing in Part 3A of that Act (i...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c512-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her exposition of what she is hoping to achieve, but we ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c513 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we understand that view. Of course the date upon which Third Reading is fixed is a matter ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 675 c513 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, I have a question that is not in any way meant to be hostil...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c513 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are sorting out the policy now. Let us look at where we are. The Government have put fo...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 675 c513 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister finally sits down, and with the leave of the House, is she convinced t...
Bishop of Oxford | 675 c514 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minster sits down I would like to thank her for her statement and for the wides...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 675 c514-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not propose to suggest that the Minister has not yet finally sat down. Her interventi...
Lord Skelmersdale | 675 c512 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said that she hoped that the Government could resolve this matter and table a...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c512 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we do not believe that that would be the most felicitous way in which to proceed. I predic...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c518-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I am not out of order in responding to some of the points made. I say to my no...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 675 c519 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Scotland very sincerely for what she has said today, for the ...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 675 c516-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I sense that consensus is spreading; it is infectious. I am delighted that the Government ...
Lord Avebury | 675 c520-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2:"After Clause 2, insert the following new clause—"    ““ABOLITION OF CERTAIN...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 675 c521 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not disagree with what the noble Lord is putting forward, but I have some difficulty ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 675 c519 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I prefaced my remarks by saying that I did not want to criticise the Government. It is not...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 675 c519-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is it not wonderful to hear a Government who pay attention to what is said in a debate, ta...
Bishop of Oxford | 675 c516 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that either the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, the noble...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 675 c515-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, for giving us an opportunity to see where we ...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 675 c515 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the House as I thought that it was right to put a question to my noble frie...
Bishop of Oxford | 675 c523-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I see that I have the pleasure of following the noble Lord, Lord Renton, because clearly h...
Lord Renton | 675 c523 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am thoroughly opposed to the new clause. It abolishes offences that have been part of ou...
Lord Avebury | 675 c529-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I specifically said that I did not want to go over the whole of the ground that was dealt ...
Viscount Bledisloe | 675 c529 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, although I do not think that anyone would accuse either the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, or t...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 675 c530-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I nearly put my name to this amendment, but, through a failure of timing, it does not appe...
Viscount Bledisloe | 675 c530 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord, but that is perhaps not a great help to those who ar...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 675 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment goes wide of the purposes of the Bill. In no way do I dissent from the funda...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c524-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is down in support of this amendment and, indeed, it is supported by our Front Ben...
Lord Plant of Highfield | 675 c528-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as one of the authors of the amendment, I should like to say a brief word in its favour. A...
Lord Crickhowell | 675 c528 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened to the debate with considerable interest, and I shall not argue that a cas...
Lord Avebury | 675 c521-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not for me to argue with the learned Clerks who allowed this amendment to be tabled ...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c532 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I oppose the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, and supported by the noble ...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 675 c531-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to accept that further summary of the position from the noble Lord. I was going...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c531 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe—I am out of my depth for, as the House knows, I am not a believer in any of the ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Renton, for his intervention. I repeat: my remarks w...
Lord Renton | 675 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord did not refer to the third item here:"““the abolition of any religious offe...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that intervention. I apologise for not making it clear that my remarks w...
Bishop of Oxford | 675 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I would like to reiterate that I agree with him in princi...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c534 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is extremely rarely that I disagree with the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Oxfor...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c533-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very aware of that fact and thank my noble friend for bringing it to my attention. T...
Lord Crickhowell | 675 c532-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as an Anglican, I worship in a disestablished Church—the Church of Wales. One must underst...
Baroness Whitaker | 675 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I add one voice to the amendment? I did not add my name to fourth place because I hope...
Baroness Flather | 675 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) Thank you. I had not intended to speak to the amendment, but having listened to the debate I need to...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 675 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I give way to the noble Baroness, Lady Flather.
Lord Slynn of Hadley | 675 c536 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not persuaded by what has been said so far: that the crime of blasphemy no longer per...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 675 c536 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am usually on the side of the noble Baroness, Lady O’Cathain, but not on this occasion, ...
Lord Slynn of Hadley | 675 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is exactly the sort of question that could be discussed if we were looking at the exp...
Lord Slynn of Hadley | 675 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, from many years at the Bar and as a puisne judge, I am used to my arguments not being acce...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble and learned Lord aware that that argument was considered and rejected by the ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 675 c537-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, spoke of the doctrine of ““unripe time””. That has a plac...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c540-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad that I did not rise to my feet more quickly. I did just as the noble Lord, Lord ...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 675 c538-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, another advantage of the Bill in its amended form is the ease with which we can discuss an...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 675 c538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very well aware of that. I am also aware that there is a statutory position for getti...
Lord Avebury | 675 c538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble and learned Lord aware that the common law offences in paragraphs (b) and (c)...
Lord Avebury | 675 c547 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is right to cite the DPP’s assertion that this offence provided a means of de...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c546-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, for raising this issue. As he has identified, Sectio...
Lord Avebury | 675 c544-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3:"After Clause 2, insert the following new clause—" ““ABOLITION OF CERTAIN RE...
Lord Avebury | 675 c541-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the risk of boring your Lordships, I would like to clear up the question that has been ...
Lord Dholakia | 675 c547-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3A*:"Page 3, line 10, at end insert ““and shall include the desecration of symbo...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c513-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down—that pleasant fiction that we all adopt—I have five points. ...
Lord Desai | 675 c549 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have great respect for the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, but I am not sure that I support t...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 675 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble and learned Lord sits down, perhaps he will clarify his position. Would h...
Subjects
Crimes of violence Blasphemy Cemeteries Incitement Racially aggravated offences Religion Religious hatred Religious freedom Vandalism Religiously aggravated offences Racial hatred
Legislation
Racial and Religious Hatred Bill (HL) 2005-06
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