Debate on bill on Monday, 16 January 2006, in the House of Lords.

Identity Cards Bill

Identity Cards Bill. Lords Report stage first day. (Part 1 of 2)

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 677 c427-94
Session: 2005-06
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Report stage
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Identity Cards Bill. As amended in Committee (HL).
Monday, 19 December 2005
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House of Lords; Identity Cards Bill
Monday, 16 January 2006
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Proceeding contributions: Lord Barnett | 677 c434 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have generally indicated my great concern about the costs of this project, and those con...; Baroness Noakes | 677 c434 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that anything that I said could possibly have led anyone to believe that I ...; Lord Barnett | 677 c434-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course—but the whole impression that I got from the noble Baroness’s speech was that sh...; Lord Wright of Richmond | 677 c436 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I note that the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, said that past IT failures were no part of he...; Baroness Noakes | 677 c427-30 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 1, line 3, at beginning insert ““Subject to section ““(Commencement: rep...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 677 c430 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Baroness concede the principle that there will be a benefit to the taxpayer...; Baroness Noakes | 677 c431 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very happy to concede that it is theoretically possible for that to occur if the sche...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c431-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is on this amendment with that of the noble Baroness. I shall make a few remarks o...; Baroness Seccombe | 677 c467-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment No. 4, to which I have added my name. As the noble Lord, L...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c468-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, is seeking through his amendment to exten...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c473 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. As I said at a previous stage, to limit the clause to serious, so...; Baroness Seccombe | 677 c473 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have sympathy with the amendment that the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, has just moved. As ...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c472 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5:"Page 2, line 2, at end insert ““the sentence for which may be imprisonment or...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c476 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support and have added my name to the amendment. I agree with every word that the noble ...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c475-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 6:"Page 2, line 6, leave out ““securing the efficient and effective provision of...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c474-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for her full defence of the status quo. Some of the examples that she ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c473-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the current provisions are needed. Noble Lords will know that false identities underpin mu...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c458 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to ask the noble Baroness for clarification of something that she said a moment ago...; Lord Barnett | 677 c458 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness is quoting me in support of the fact that the amendment is not a satisf...; Earl of Northesk | 677 c459 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps the noble Baroness can satisfy my curiosity. At which traffic light, during the va...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c458-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course, we already have the benefit of the Public Accounts Committee; we have all the w...; Baroness Noakes | 677 c462 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her comprehensive reply to the debate, which has been going on fo...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c459-62 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it has gone through its first two stages—that is, nought and one—and it has been g...; Baroness Noakes | 677 c462-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to respond to that point. The report is by a research team operating within the...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 677 c462 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness and many other noble Lords have referred to this report as ““of the Lon...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c466-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 1, line 13, leave out ““or”” and insert ““recorded, stored and””" The n...; Baroness Henig | 677 c453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am giving my view that, if there is an identity card scheme, drivers will be much more c...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as it will not be compulsory to carry the card, I cannot see how it will be helpful in any...; Baroness Henig | 677 c452-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may something about costs and benefits. I declare an interest as president of th...; Earl of Northesk | 677 c451-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart of Swindon, I have deep reservations about this Bill on...; Lord Marlesford | 677 c451 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. As the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland, well knows, I...; Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 677 c450-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is absolutely right that we should be having this discussion this afternoon on the esti...; Lord Soley | 677 c447 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased to hear that and I am with the noble Lord so far. He will know that I in...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c454-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I assure noble Lords that I have listened with great care and interest to all that has bee...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 677 c453-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness has enthusiastically told us of some of the benefits, and I shall not a...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c440-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a Cross-Bencher, maybe I can assist the noble Lord, Lord Soley. We have now reached a s...; Lord Soley | 677 c440 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I indicated that if noble Lords are going to look at the technology and costs, they might ...; Lord Williams of Elvel | 677 c443-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it might be useful if we return to the substance of the amendments. I draw your Lordships’...; Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 677 c442-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I well understand the anxiety of the noble Lord, Lord Soley, to restrict the debate as far...; Lord Crickhowell | 677 c436-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in a moment I shall take up the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Barnett, about the cost...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c440 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Soley, sits down, he said that he did not think that this was ...; Lord Soley | 677 c439-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am slightly puzzled by this debate. When I read the amendments, I assumed that the debat...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 677 c446-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regard this legislation as the most important I have had to vote on in all my 25 years i...; Lord Steinberg | 677 c444-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I share in the comments made by my noble friend Lord Peyton in congratulating the Minister...; Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 677 c447 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the first time that I have taken part in debates on the Bill, although I have been...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c476-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, funnily enough, I do not support the amendment in some ways. If we were stuck with just th...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c477-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I tell the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, that this Government have done a considera...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c477 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I thought that the purpose of the Government’s wording was to enable government departm...; Lord Selsdon | 677 c479 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it was a fairly simple question. I should like to have an identity card, but will all the ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c479 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, your identity card will be able to identify you, and those who wish to verify your ide...; Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 677 c479 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are talking at this stage about a national identity register that is voluntary. Under t...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c478 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to intervene, but as the police national computer has the 10 fingerprints of ap...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c478-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the way in which such checks have sometimes gone awry has been when there were very simila...; Lord Selsdon | 677 c479 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope the Minister will forgive me, but I am confused at a much higher level than those o...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c479 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is going to be only the one identity card. I was merely responding to the suggestion...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c483-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7:"Page 2, line 10, leave out paragraphs (b) and (c) and insert—" ““( ) th...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c480 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part. I hear exactly what the noble Earl, ...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c486-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for government Amendment No. 7 because it certainly addresses o...; Lord Selsdon | 677 c488-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for the effort that she has made because I was go...; Lord Crickhowell | 677 c487-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make one general point and ask one specific question. I am grateful to the noble...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c489-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not mean to cause difficulties; I am trying to be helpful to the noble Baroness—the l...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 677 c489 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I found myself looking at Amendment No. 7 from the point of view of the person who was reg...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c479-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not intend to get up again. I should not be getting up and down, as this is Report. B...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c490-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased that at least on this occasion I have given a modicum of satisfaction. I say ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c494 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion ...; Baroness Seccombe | 677 c494 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. There is more thought to go into this, because it is ...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 9 would include the number and details of any ID card issued to an individua...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c493 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can see the point of this. We have got a rather anomalous situation that mirrors that wh...; Lord Selsdon | 677 c492-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a lot of sympathy with my noble friend but do not totally agree with her amendment....; Baroness Seccombe | 677 c492 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9:"Page 2, line 12, at end insert—" ““( ) the number of any identity card ...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I shall certainly think further on what she has said ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c458 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord has had an opportunity to look at our regulatory impact asse...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c469 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for what he has said. Indeed, he made the point about the ...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c485-6 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 7, Amendment No. 8:"Line 6, after ““where”” insert ““, durin...; Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 677 c447-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was going to go on to do precisely that. If that is a way in which the noble Lord is hap...
Subjects: Access Disclosure of information Data protection Biometrics Age Costs Fraud Fees and charges ICT Identity cards Investment Interviews Police Personation Procurement National identity register Proof of identity Passports Registration Young people Security
Legislation: Identity Cards Bill 2005-06
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Identity Cards Bill

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