Debate on bill on Monday, 16 January 2006, in the House of Lords.

Identity Cards Bill

Identity Cards Bill. Lords Report stage first day. (Part 2 of 2)

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 677 c511-38
Session: 2005-06
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Report stage
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Identity Cards Bill. As amended in Committee (HL).
Monday, 19 December 2005
Bills
House of Lords; Identity Cards Bill
Monday, 16 January 2006
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c511-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not that unfit. The amendment simply adds the single word ““external”” in Clause 1(7)...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c511 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11:"Page 2, line 30, at beginning insert ““external””" The noble Lord said: My ...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c511 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I caution the noble Lord to take care.; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c514 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if a DNA sample is properly taken, it is the characteristic that is capable of being used ...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c514-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was asking myself why I liked the noble Lord, Lord Phillips. I have concluded that it is...; Earl of Northesk | 677 c513 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise, but my noble friend Lady Anelay has provoked a thought in my head about this....; Earl of Northesk | 677 c515 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, perhaps he will clarify one point. I inferred from somethin...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c515 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not just about data collection although that is an important element. An ID cards sy...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c515 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for what the Minister said. On that basis, I am happy to withdraw the amendm...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c515-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14A:"Page 2, line 42, leave out ““16”” and insert ““18””" The noble Baroness sa...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 677 c518 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the Minister know whether there have been proper consultations in Scotland about this...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c518-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I reassure the noble Baroness, Lady Carnegy of Lour, that such is her reputation that any ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c519-20 (Link to this contribution) I thought you would like that, my Lords. If one looks first at the UNCRC, the relevant article is a...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c520 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister. Like her, I always listen carefully to my noble friend Lady...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c522 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the amendments wholeheartedly. However, I may have misheard something that the M...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c522-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am always more than happy to give the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, cause for celebration. ...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c523 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is good to know. On Question, amendment agreed to. Clause 3 [Information recorded i...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c522 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness is right. My notes should have said Amendment No. 66. Amendment No. 64 ...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c522 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I seek clarification on Amendment No. 118. I am always very beady-eyed about prescribed re...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c522 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment No. 64 in my speaking notes but I shall check to see whether it is Amendm...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c522 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the groupings list, government Amendment No. 64 comes later with Amendments Nos. 63 and...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c526 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, very quickly, just to prove that I am awake, I must say that I think that the noble Lord s...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c526 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall check that. On Question, amendment agreed to. [Amendments Nos. 19 and 20 not mov...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c523-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 18:"Page 3, leave out line 30 and insert–" ““( ) Information– (a) may be...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c525-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are all in the debt of the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, because of his full explanation of ...; Baroness Seccombe | 677 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think we have withdrawn the amendment by not moving it. I gave the Government notice tha...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 677 c528 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot help but reflect with some amusement that we had a full discussion about wearing ...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c528-30 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32A:"Page 42, line 38, leave out ““a”” and insert ““an encrypted””" The noble E...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c526 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 21 to 24:"Page 3, line 38, after ““information”” insert ““that must be””""Page...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c526 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27:"Page 40, line 13, after ““Kingdom”” insert ““or elsewhere””" On Question, a...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c526-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29:"Page 40, line 17, at end insert ““(showing the features of the face)””" The...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c530-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may be ““telegraphic””—to borrow a word that is quite often by the noble Lord, L...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c531 (Link to this contribution) Oh, yes!; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c531 (Link to this contribution) However, I feel that House’s appetite for it may be less great than that of the noble Lord, Lord Phi...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister and I apologise for bowling a fast one on Clauses 19 and 20....; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very happy to look at it. It is difficult when we are doing it on the hoof. I thought...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c537-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we ought to deal with this outside the Chamber. I think you will find that Clause 20(4)(a)...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the relevant parts are Clause 19(3) to (5) and Clause 20(4). Clause 20(4) authorises the p...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, then it is not audit trail information.; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, but that is information,"““not falling within paragraph 9””."; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having looked towards the Box, I can say that Clause 19(4) provides:"““The provision of in...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I could not see in Clause 19 a right to access paragraph 9, but I may be wrong.; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clauses 19 and 20 are both relevant.; Earl of Erroll | 677 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may explain why I have put my name to the amendment. The purpose of the national...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c534-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is on this amendment, and I strongly support it. We have reached one of the most i...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am terribly sorry to interrupt, but I think that the noble Baroness may be wrong in refe...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand noble Lords’ anxiety although in this case, again, I believe that it is mispl...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c531 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I assure the noble Earl that those sorts of anxieties and concerns have been very much in ...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c531 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for that reply. I was not seeking a long and technical explanat...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c532-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33:"Page 43, line 9, at end insert—" ““(2) The particulars which may be reco...; Earl of Erroll | 677 c531-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c528 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for that compliment. We thought that the committee did a thorou...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. Moved accordingly, and, on Q...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 677 c513-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regard this as good political advice from the Front Benches. One of the points people ra...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c517-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it might be thought that I would not dare do otherwise than support this amendment. I do s...; Earl of Northesk | 677 c518 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add one thought on the amendment that I support wholeheartedly. When we discussed the Ch...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c520-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17:"Page 3, line 26, leave out ““authorised”” and insert ““that he is authorised...; Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 677 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt but it is an important point.; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 677 c513 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Lord’s amendment. I agree that this should be uncontentious, because w...
Subjects: Access Disclosure of information Data protection Biometrics Age Costs Fraud Fees and charges ICT Identity cards Investment Interviews Police Personation Procurement National identity register Proof of identity Passports Registration Young people Security
Legislation: Identity Cards Bill 2005-06
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Identity Cards Bill

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