Debate on bill on Wednesday, 24 May 2006, in the House of Lords.

Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill [HL]

Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL). Lords Report stage (HL Bill 115 2005-06)

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 682 c827-95
Session: 2005-06
Department: Department for Education and Skills
Legislative stage: Report stage
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL) . As amended in Grand Committee (HL)
Wednesday, 3 May 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Walmsley | 682 c895 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. Although he cannot satisfy me on the substance of my a...; Lord Adonis | 682 c894-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my response needs to be in two parts. First, this would be a significant departure from no...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c893-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak briefly to the amendment as I believe that I had something to do with the am...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c877-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. Our intention is certainly not to create loopholes in ...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c878 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 45 to 47:"Page 6, line 15, at end insert—" ““(5A) A person does not commit a...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c880 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments. As a practitioner, I find this list totally extraordinary. My pe...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c880-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, have substantial reservations about this list of exemptions because it encompasses...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c878-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 50:"Page 8, line 37, leave out paragraphs (b) and (c)." The noble Baroness said...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c879-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 52 seeks to leave out Clause 14. I wish to highlight the extreme dissatisfac...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c883-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the reasoning behind the inclusion of complementary medicine in the list of opt-outs is th...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c884 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness sits down, may I ask that she circulates the group’s research on...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c881-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 14 lists those regulated activity providers exempted from the obligation of making ...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c883 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, could she explain why, for example, in Clause 14(1)(a), com...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c864-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that the Minister agrees that it would make sense if I spoke in this grouping to my...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c866 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Harris, made the case extremely clearly and I am grateful to the nobl...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c866 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to the group of amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Bu...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c866-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for that invitation. As the House knows—I have referre...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c867 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for that clarification. On that basis, I am right behind h...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c867-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the Bill stands, Clause 6(5) provides an exemption from the definition of regulated act...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c871-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that reply. I must say that I am disappointed with it...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c872 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 39 and 40:"Page 4, line 38, at end insert—" ““( ) Where subsection (5) a...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c872-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 41:"Page 5, line 11, at end insert—" ““( ) It is a defence for a person ch...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c892-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 70A:"Page 29, leave out lines 12 and 13 and insert—" ““must be made in accorda...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c892 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his reply. It does indeed help to clarify the situa...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c892 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 68:"Leave out Clause 39." On Question, amendment agreed to. Clause 43 [Damages...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c890 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we support the amendments in principle, but we are concerned that perhaps they are not qui...; Lord Adonis | 682 c890-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I can meet the first points made by the noble Baroness by stating categorically tha...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c889-90 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 66:"Page 20, line 7, at end insert—" ““( ) When considering a referral und...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c886-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 65:"Page 15, line 36, at end insert—" ““(d) issue conditions to be complied ...; Lord Adonis | 682 c888-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will respond to the questions of the noble Baroness in writing so that I can give her a ...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c892 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 69:"Page 26, line 2, at end insert—" ““(1) No claim for damages lies in resp...; Lord Adonis | 682 c892 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 70:"Page 28, line 43, leave out ““or controlled””" On Question, amendment agree...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c885 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of her intention to move Amendment No. 52:"Leave out Clause 14." The noble Barones...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53:"Page 9, line 28, leave out from ““in”” to end of line 32 and insert ““which ...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 54:"Page 10, line 35, after ““person”” insert—" ““( ) it is carried out fo...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c884 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would be delighted to circulate the research. I cannot answer the noble Baroness’s speci...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c884-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her response, and I appreciate that she and her department ...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 51:"Page 9, line 5, after ““(10)(a),”” insert ““(b),””" On Question, amendment ...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c885-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 56:"Page 11, line 27, leave out ““medical”” and insert ““health””" On Question,...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c886 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 57:"Page 12, line 46, at end insert—" ““( ) such other person as is prescr...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c886 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 58 to 64:"Page 14, line 27, leave out ““information”” and insert ““independent...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c849-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be brief. I thank the Minister for his response to my Amendment No. 7. I entirely a...; Lord Adonis | 682 c847-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in replying to the noble Baroness, Lady Buscombe, on Amendment No. 7, and the noble Barone...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c846-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment No. 27 in this group. I thank the Minister for listening to t...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c851-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on a similar theme of belt-and-braces provision, I have a question to put to my noble frie...; Lord Rix | 682 c851 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in Committee I asked the Minister if it would be possible to see him, as it were, in the d...; Lord Adonis | 682 c850 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 38, line 26, at end insert—" ““ (1) IBB must ensure that in respect o...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c844-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7:"Page 37, line 9, at end insert—" ““( ) An individual automatically incl...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c844 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with those reassurances, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, with...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c862-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38:"Page 3, line 30, leave out ““or vulnerable adult””" The noble Lord said: My...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c861-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 34 to 37:"Page 46, line 12, at end insert—" ““( ) For the purposes of su...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c861 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that supply teachers are covered in other parts of the Bill. As for workers w...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c861 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to ask the Minister a question about the amendments relating to existing NHS staff ...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c859-61 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33:"Page 46, line 10, at end insert—" ““(da) moderating a public interactive...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c859 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 29 to 32:"Page 42, line 31, after ““3(1)”” insert—" ““( ) the activity i...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c858-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. We understand the problems of revealing confidential i...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c858 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down—and I had not intended to intervene in this part of the deba...; Lord Adonis | 682 c857-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment would place a duty on the IBB to inform referring organisations of the reas...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c857 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment. As the noble Baroness said, where an individual h...; Lord Adonis | 682 c855 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 20 to 26:"Page 2, line 18, leave out ““on a point of law””""Page 2, line 25, a...; Lord Adonis | 682 c855 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 12 to 18:"Page 39, line 25, leave out ““leave”” and insert ““permission””""Pag...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c855-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28:"Page 3, line 4, at end insert—" ““( ) If the IBB make a decision not t...; Lord Adonis | 682 c853 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness raised this important issue in Grand Committee. The Government have con...; Lord Adonis | 682 c853-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11:"Page 39, line 17, at end insert—" ““( ) The Secretary of State may by ...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c853 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister and I look forward to his clarification on my second po...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c852 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can share with the House that I have not had a cup of tea from the Minister either. Howe...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c852 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would be grateful to my noble friend if he did not attempt to explain it to me. However,...; Lord Adonis | 682 c852 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should stress that I don’t accept cases made to me very rapidly so as to avoid offering ...; Lord Adonis | 682 c844 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will happily add that to the list of things that I shall write about to the noble Barone...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c843 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful and even more pleased. In relation to the second issue, I understand that th...; Lord Adonis | 682 c843 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, actually it will be stronger than that, because it will be in regulations. So it will be a...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c843 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would be helpful if the Minister could let us know. Obviously we would like to see a sh...; Lord Adonis | 682 c843 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the consideration is ongoing; but I shall seek to let the noble Baroness know before Third...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c840-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness’s amendment. In the 1980s the NCH produced a report on childr...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c840 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have considerable sympathy for the amendment which would, as we have heard, prevent the ...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c843 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his lengthy reply. I am delighted that he accepts the first issue...; Lord Adonis | 682 c841-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, has three distinct elements. The first is...; Lord Adonis | 682 c838 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will write to the noble Baroness after today’s sitting. I hope that that will satisfy he...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 5 ...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c838 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and noble Lords who supported us. The difficulty we are...; Lord Adonis | 682 c838 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I need to come back to the noble Baroness about whether we would issue formal guidance to ...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c838 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will there be details in the guidance to the IBB about seeking further information on case...; Lord Adonis | 682 c837-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments would restrict IBB considerations under paragraphs (5) and (10), which deal...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c837 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am unable to support the amendment as it is phrased. My deep concern about this Bill, as...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c837 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly accept the principle of the amendment but our concern is that there could be a...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at Second Reading and in Grand Committee, I expressed the strong belief that it was import...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 36, line 37, after ““if”” insert ““he has engaged in conduct which, in t...; Lord Adonis | 682 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that I implicitly accepted that point. I certainly was not proposing that we would...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c834 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, I hope he will recognise—perhaps I misunderstood the pre...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c835 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for listening once again. I echo the thanks that have a...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2:"Page 1, line 17, leave out subsection (6)." The noble Lord said: My Lords, i...; Lord Adonis | 682 c832 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has rightly raised the issue of vexatious and malicious allegations masque...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 682 c832 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that response. The approach that he and his colleague...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c832-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 36, line 14, leave out ““child””" The noble Baroness said: My Lords, th...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c833-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley. When I looked at the two lists I thought it m...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c834 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment. I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, ...; Lord Adonis | 682 c834 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Harris was kind enough to say earlier that the process of parliamenta...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. That was one concern that we had considered ...; Lord Adonis | 682 c830 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, local authorities play a role in the existing CRB system in validating the identity of man...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c830 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with reference to my earlier question, I also wonder whether the Minister could reassure u...; Lord Adonis | 682 c830 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in my year in your Lordships’ House I have never known the noble Baroness to ask an inappr...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c827-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 32, line 33, leave out sub-paragraph (3) and insert—" ““( ) No les...; Lord Adonis | 682 c829 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there will be a read-over between the existing lists and the new list maintained by the IB...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 682 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope first that the Minister will tell me if I am asking an inappropriate question but, ...; Lord Adonis | 682 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for giving me the opportunity to say more about t...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c829 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two issues. Will there be a read-over between the current POCA and POVA lists and L...; Lord Adonis | 682 c895 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 71 to 76:"Page 51, line 10, leave out ““the person”” and insert ““he””""Page 5...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c849 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness replies, I thank the Minister for his reassurances about the com...; Baroness Buscombe | 682 c850-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to my Amendment No. 19, which is grouped with government Amendment No. 10....; Lord Adonis | 682 c874-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments seek to ensure that individuals are not criminalised as a result of lack of...; Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 682 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 55:"Page 11, line 24, at end insert—" ““(f) such other activity as is prescr...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 682 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 6:"Page 36, line 42, at end insert—" (1) The IBB cannot include a person und...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c889 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. My concerns have indeed been addressed and I beg le...; Baroness Walmsley | 682 c853 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10A:"Page 38, line 26, at end insert—" ““When an individual is included in a b...
Subjects: Complaints Disability Children Disclosure of information Codes of practice Abuse Appeals Damages Age Conduct Employment Families Exemptions Internet Home care services Offenders NHS Qualifications Protection Membership Mental capacity Pornography Monitoring Staff Vetting Vulnerable adults Young people Sexual offences Independent Safeguarding Authority
Legislation: Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL) 2005-06
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Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill [HL]

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