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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 10 July 2006, in the House of Lords.

Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill

Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clause 1 agreed to. Clause 2 as amended agreed to. Clause 3 negatived. New clauses considered.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
684 c483-511,528-41,565-80 
Session
2005-06
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 684 c486-7 (Link to this contribution) I, too, have questioned the clause’s necessity, and will certainly not repeat the arguments I adduce...
Lord Kingsland | 684 c487 (Link to this contribution) Two fundamental matters distinguish what was in this Bill, as it originally appeared in another plac...
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Lord Goodhart | 684 c484-5 (Link to this contribution) By objecting to Clause 1, it looks as though I am trying to wreck the Bill, but that is not the inte...
Lord Norton of Louth | 684 c485-6 (Link to this contribution) I too oppose Clause 1 standing part of the Bill. The clause now constitutes the principal mischief i...
Lord Norton of Louth | 684 c490-1 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that the Minister has been listening to the debate. We have put forward an alternative...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c490 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair point, and one that is acknowledged in the legislation. It is one of the protections ...
Lord Berkeley | 684 c490 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend for giving way. I have understood his long and very clear expl...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c487-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful as ever to those noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate, but it is a re...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 684 c492 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment moved by my noble friend. It should not be difficult for the Government to a...
Baroness Wilcox | 684 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: After Clause 1, insert the following new clause- ““SECTION 1 ORDERS: REPOR...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c491 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that both sides of the Committee recognise the need to deregulate, but in doing so we do n...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c491 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord presses the issue of mischief. We have listened carefully throughout the debates in a...
Lord Norton of Louth | 684 c492 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend’s amendment, which is an extremely sensible and rather modest proposal. If...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c492 (Link to this contribution) My name is attached to this amendment, which we support. The considerable power conferred on Ministe...
Viscount Bledisloe | 684 c530-1 (Link to this contribution) I was somewhat confused when I read the amendment. Having heard the noble Lord move it, I am a great...
Lord Borrie | 684 c531-2 (Link to this contribution) The quality and value of the speech that we have just heard makes me regret that the noble Viscount ...
Lord Tordoff | 684 c529 (Link to this contribution) Shall we then proceed to Amendment No. 31?
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c529-30 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 31: After Clause 1, insert the following new clause- ““DUTY TO REDUCE REGULATI...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c535 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can start by trying to take away some confusion for the noble Viscount, Lord Bledisloe. I ...
Viscount Bledisloe | 684 c535 (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Lord expand on that extremely cryptic answer? Is he saying that he intends to replac...
Viscount Eccles | 684 c532-3 (Link to this contribution) I, too, am puzzled and confused, as the noble Lord, Lord Desai, was the other day. I was very intere...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c533-5 (Link to this contribution) I am drawn very much to the analysis to which the amendment has been subjected by my noble friend Lo...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c535 (Link to this contribution) The intention is to introduce an amendment to insert the word ““regulatory”” between the words ““red...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c535 (Link to this contribution) What does the noble Lord mean by ““regulatory”” in that context?
Lord Waddington | 684 c508-9 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords will appreciate from what has been said that an amendment with identical terms was moved...
Lord Waddington | 684 c509 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the noble Lord that I never thought that the amendment had the Government’s approval. I...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c528 (Link to this contribution) Before we get to AmendmentNo. 31, I would like to make a brief correction to a statement made by the...
Lord Waddington | 684 c528 (Link to this contribution) The last thing that I would wish is—
Lord Tordoff | 684 c528 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether it would be helpful if we had a Motion before the Committee before any further deba...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c528 (Link to this contribution) I thought it would be convenient to dispose of this matter now. It may present slight technical diff...
Lord Waddington | 684 c528 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if I can take it that the noble Lord is speaking to this amendment. I am most grateful to h...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 684 c501-2 (Link to this contribution) I too have signed this amendment, so shall speak to it. I remind the Committee of the 1972 Act and t...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c503 (Link to this contribution) Three of the four usual suspects who put their names to this amendment have spoken and the fourth, t...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 684 c506 (Link to this contribution) In reply to the noble Lord, Lord Desai, it is the job of oppositions to do just this. It would be di...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c506-8 (Link to this contribution) In response to the noble Baroness, Lady Carnegy of Lour, I certainly was not laughing at the plight ...
Lord Desai | 684 c506 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord explain why, in the 16 years after 1972, when his party was in power, at no stag...
Lord Henley | 684 c506 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is quite unfair. The deregulation Act that we introduced in, I think, 1994, was a ver...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 684 c503-4 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend's amendment. I speak with a very clear memory of having taken the financia...
Lord Henley | 684 c504-6 (Link to this contribution) Despite the rather drastic title that my noble friend has given this amendment, it is not about an a...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 684 c503 (Link to this contribution) In response to the noble Lord’s remarks about the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, earlier I sai...
Viscount Bledisloe | 684 c492-3 (Link to this contribution) I am a little puzzled by the amendment. I assume that the noble Baroness’s purpose is to encourage d...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 684 c496 (Link to this contribution) The Minister talks about producing this report as a burden. He has given us a great description of t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c496-7 (Link to this contribution) In all these things, I would argue that we have to be proportionate. The amendment calls for an annu...
Baroness Wilcox | 684 c497 (Link to this contribution) I am impressed and delighted by the number of people who have taken part in this debate. I was happy...
Lord Waddington | 684 c497-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30: After Clause 1, insert the following new clause- ““DISAPPLICATION OF EUROP...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 684 c493 (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount, Lord Bledisloe, makes a very good point and no doubt we shall wish to return to ...
Lord Berkeley | 684 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords who have spoken to the amendment have been talking up the benefits of removing burdens f...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 684 c494 (Link to this contribution) I hope the same because not all regulation is bad. However, this Bill is about deregulation and, as ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c494-6 (Link to this contribution) This is an amendment with which I am familiar, in the sense that noble Lords opposite frequently tab...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 684 c499-501 (Link to this contribution) I have added my name to the amendment standing in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, becau...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c580 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 684 c577-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there are a number of points noble Lords have raised that it is worth my responding to. It...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c578-9 (Link to this contribution) In view of an issue that arose earlier today during a debate on another part of the Bill, I should c...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 684 c576 (Link to this contribution) If the Committee permits me, I have come upon my other point, which is quite important. If a Ministe...
Lord Kingsland | 684 c576-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, from these Benches we share the degree of importance that both the noble Lord, Lord Goodha...
Lord Norton of Louth | 684 c575 (Link to this contribution) I very much welcome the stance taken by the Government on Clause 3. It is absolutely right, for the ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 684 c575-6 (Link to this contribution) One surprising point about Clause 3 is that it was never in the original Bill at all; it was added a...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c571-2 (Link to this contribution) It is obviously a red letter day; the Minister did not know what to say. That has never happened bef...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c572 (Link to this contribution) I have heard the allegation before. I am not sure that it is a persistent and widespread problem, bu...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c572 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord commented on moving away from imperial measures and said that we have been doing so f...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c572 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 36 to 38: Page 3, line 5, leave out ““transfer or”” Page 3, line 7, leave ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c571 (Link to this contribution) When we talk about relieving burdens, Clause 1 is the route. When we talk about the exercise of regu...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 684 c571 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can invite the Minister to come with me one day to the town of Arbroath in Angus, where th...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c571 (Link to this contribution) Arbroath smokies are replicated in a similar, if different, form in Whitby, where Whitby kippers are...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c572-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 40: Page 3, line 20, leave out ““he considers”” The noble Lord said: I shall ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 684 c573-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, and other Members of the Committee who have put their na...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 684 c574-5 (Link to this contribution) The Minister did not mention the Scottish Law Commission and what is going on there. She will have n...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c541 (Link to this contribution) Given the nature of the following business, I suggest that the Committee stage begins again not befo...
Baroness Wilcox | 684 c565 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33D: Page 2, line 37, at end insert- ““( ) Regulatory activity must respect th...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 684 c568 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend replies, I shall make just one point in response to the Minister. I think tha...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c568 (Link to this contribution) I am at one with the noble Lord in the sense that we want regulators to take a pragmatic approach. I...
Lord Borrie | 684 c566 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate Amendments Nos. 33D and 33E, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Wilcox. The noble Baron...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c566-8 (Link to this contribution) In spirit, this is an apple-pie amendment, but when you undertake an exercise not dissimilar to that...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c570 (Link to this contribution) I am not quite sure where to start. I have a great deal of respect for traditional values in British...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 684 c571 (Link to this contribution) I intervene only briefly simply to say that I do not understand why the Minister keeps on referring ...
Baroness Wilcox | 684 c568-9 (Link to this contribution) I should know that when the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, gets to his feet and says nice things to me, I ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c569-70 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 33F: Page 2, line 39, after ““which”” insert ““minimises interference with the ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c535 (Link to this contribution) The same as in Clause 2. The point is that Ministers already have very substantial power, as the Min...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32: After Clause 1, insert the following new clause- ““REMOVAL OF REGULATIONS ...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 684 c538 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has given a long and interesting reply. My noble friend was asking a simple question: w...
Lord Howard of Rising | 684 c538 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his thoughtful and constructive approach. I shall reflect on it between now...
Baroness Wilcox | 684 c538-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: After Clause 1, insert the following new clause- ““DUTY TO EXEMPT SMALL BU...
Baroness Sharples | 684 c539 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend. Some 28 years ago the noble Lord, Lord Ezra, among others, and I spoke of...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 684 c539-41 (Link to this contribution) While the tabling of this new clause indicates that the Opposition are as eager as we are to help sm...
Baroness Wilcox | 684 c541 (Link to this contribution) I have listened to the Minister's reply. I am very pleased that the small business organisations he ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 684 c538 (Link to this contribution) To start with, I do not think that is what the amendment asks. I understand the thrust of what was a...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c483-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c509 (Link to this contribution) I should like to clarify one point. I have listened carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Waddington. Wh...
Lord Goodhart | 684 c503 (Link to this contribution) I had assumed that something important had kept him from this debate. I certainly do not intend to c...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 684 c536-8 (Link to this contribution) We understand the thrust of where the noble Lord is coming from with this amendment. I hope, as my f...
Baroness Crawley | 684 c511 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to. ...
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Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill 2005-06
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