Debate on bill on Monday, 9 October 2006, in the House of Lords.

Police and Justice Bill

Police and Justice Bill. Lords Report stage first day. Part 2 of 2 records.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 685 c48-99
Session: 2005-06
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: Government defeats
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Police and Justice Bill . As amended in Committee (HL)
Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c98 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I said, we will read what the noble Baroness said very carefully but I have a question ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c98 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that I can properly give that assurance for the following reason. As the no...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c98-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister, but I stress the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay. One ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c99 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. Moved accordingly, and, on Q...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, again I understand the purport of the noble Lord’s amendment. However, requiring a police ...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c93 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61: Page 7, line 7, at end insert- ““( ) In section 32 (police powers to gathe...; Lord Marlesford | 685 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the telephone conversation that I had with the noble Baroness was of course immensely agre...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I say straight away that the Government agree with the sentiment expressed by the noble Lo...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend, and I have added my name to his amendment. He is right...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c96 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a tonal difference I will accept. It was not reported as that, and so perhaps the noble Ba...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c95 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that the Prime Minister said—and I believe he was right—that this party was the fi...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c95 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 15 gives the Secretary of State an order-making power to specify unlimited categori...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c94-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 63: Leave out Clause 15. The noble Lord said: My Lords, this amendment was de...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c94 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for explaining the safeguards. In the light of them, I beg leave to w...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c88 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Marlesford, has always been persistent on this issue. I have often su...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c87 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot let it stand that we have lent on ACPO. We asked for ACPO’s view because we were ...; Lord Marlesford | 685 c88 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course I shall withdraw the words ““lent on””. The discussions were useful and construc...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 57: Page 3, leave out lines 41 to 44 and insert- ““(a) the Association of Poli...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to confirm that. I have tried to indicate that we are in discussions with chief...; Lord Marlesford | 685 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 59: After Clause 11, insert the following new clause- ““POWER TO SEARCH FOR FI...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c86 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that explanation. On future occasions we shall have plenty of opp...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c84-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should say straight away that I acknowledge the sentiment behind the amendment, which is...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 58: Page 96, line 18, at end insert- ““( ) Conditions of the bail imposed unde...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c77-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53: Leave out Clause 5 and insert the following new Clause- ““POLICE AUTHORITI...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c75 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, for her support. I am pleased that the S...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c75-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 52: After Schedule 2, insert the following new schedule- ““CONSULTATION WITH A...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c75 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment relates also to Northern Ireland and the pensions of police officers there. ...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c75 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we support the amendments and are grateful to the Government for taking the care in advanc...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c73-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 51: After Schedule 2, insert the following new schedule- ““POWER TO MERGE POLI...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c72-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 49: Page 92, line 7, leave out paragraph 29 and insert- ““29 (1) Section 96 (a...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c69-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, and Members on the Conservative Benches for...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c66-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Harris of Richmond and Lady Anelay of St Johns, and my ...; Baroness Henig | 685 c65-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend replies, I should say that the matter has already been referred to;...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the proposal is that they would then go into a list, which this House and another place wo...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened carefully to the Minister and I am very grateful to her for—; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that by implication I made it clear that this would be done by the affirmative not...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c83-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful. I listened carefully to what the Minister said. It is slightly cart-before-...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c80-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 56: Page 3, line 34, after ““4”” insert ““but excluding the powers contained u...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c79-80 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 54 and 55: After Clause 5, insert the following new clause- ““Police pension...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would the Minister explain whether, when the standard powers have been discussed and the p...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c81-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand the anxiety of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, but I do not accept that it i...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c79 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened again to a rather disappointing response from the Minister. He accuses my ...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c78-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I return to this issue feeling rather perplexed and not a little confused as to what Liber...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a fundamental question is being raised. I understood that the Minister had given way on th...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, are the Government therefore moving away from the position they held so forcefully only an...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c56 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments Nos. 33 and 34 make arrangements for the designation deputy chief constables an...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c58 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 35: Page 87, line 27, at end insert- ““Clerks to police authorities renamed ch...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suppose I am deeply grateful to the Minister for highlighting this possible area of inco...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, was transferring his logic from one argument to t...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c54 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 30 to 32: Page 85, leave out lines 19 to 22 and insert- ““(b) the policing p...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 685 c54-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: Page 86, leave out lines 22 to 25 and insert- ““(1B) The police authority ...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c53-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: Page 84, line 11, leave out from beginning to end of line 13 on page 85 an...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c62-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister. My colleagues in another place will study her words careful...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, for giving me this opportunity to c...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c63-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38: Page 88, line 31, leave out paragraphs 26 to 28. The noble Baroness said:...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c63 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 37: Page 88, leave out lines 11 to 14 and insert- ““(a) the Association of Pol...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c64-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support all the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Ri...; Lord Brabazon of Tara | 685 c64 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the House that if the amendment is agreed to, I will not be able to call Amendmen...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c58 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, clerks of police authorities up and down the land are cheering and celebrating the Governm...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c59-60 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: Page 87, line 39, at end insert- ““Cost benefit analysis of alterations of...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we most definitely support this amendment. It is absolutely essential that we never again ...; Lord Dholakia | 685 c60-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the points raised by the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, are very helpful. I recollect a cons...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c50-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28: Page 84, line 11, leave out from beginning to end of line 8 on page 85 and...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c50 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: Page 83, line 43, leave out from beginning to end of line 2 on page 84 and...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c53 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened carefully to what the noble Baroness said on this matter, not for the first tim...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: Page 83, line 21, at end insert- ““( ) After subsection (3) there is inser...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c49-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, predictably, having listened to the Minister’s response, I am slightly disappointed. We ma...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c49 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an interesting amendment which, as the noble Baroness set out, seeks to confer an ...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c55-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it should remain the responsibility of the police authority, otherwise the force, as the n...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c96-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand the anxieties and I hope that I shall be able to lay them to rest. I should s...; Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c52-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment No. 29, to which the noble Lord has already responded, unfort...
Subjects: Data protection Bail Administration Aviation Best value Association of Chief Police Officers Firearms Fixed penalties Greater London Information Police Membership Mergers Passengers Magistrates Mayor of London Police authorities Police community support officers Pension funds Metropolitan Police Authority Standards Transport Right of search Association of Police Authorities
Legislation: Police and Justice Bill 2005-06
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Police and Justice Bill

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