Debate on bill on Tuesday, 27 February 2007, in the House of Lords.

Further Education and Training Bill [HL]

Further Education and Training Bill (HL). Lords Report stage debate. Concluded. Bill printed as amended. (HL Bill 44).

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 689 c1495-561
Session: 2006-07
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: Government defeats; New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Further Education and Training Bill (HL). As amended in Grand Committee.
Thursday, 25 January 2007
Bills
House of Lords; Further Education and Training Bill (HL). As amended on Report.
Tuesday, 27 February 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1524 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the Minister have any comments about the social cohesion part of my amendment? He has...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1524 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should stress that the common inspection framework in England to which I referred also i...; Lord Dearing | 689 c1521 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it seems very strange that there should be a duty for 16 to 19 year-olds in one part of th...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1521-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will deal first with the spiritual, moral, cultural and social needs, quite rightly high...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 689 c1519-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having been moved by the first two speeches and having a certain sympathy, too, with the a...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1520-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not need to repeat the excellent points made by the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, and...; Bishop of Manchester | 689 c1516-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment No. 15, which stands in my name, but I support the significant ...; Lord Northbourne | 689 c1514-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14: 14: Clause 6 , page 6, line 24, leave out ““and training”” and insert ““, ...; Baroness Hamwee | 689 c1514 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that and thank the noble Baroness for her support. I am in danger of rep...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1514 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is an assurance that the matter will be further considered. I undertake to come back wi...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1512 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are sympathetic to the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, to ensure ...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1512-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, has retabled two amendments that were tabled in Grand Com...; Baroness Hamwee | 689 c1514 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister says that he will seek to develop guidance. I welcome those words but is that...; Baroness Hamwee | 689 c1509 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Turner, on her success in being so persuasive with...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1509-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start with the London skills and employment board. In Grand Committee, I promised that i...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1510 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and I am delighted with what he has told us about the f...; Baroness Turner of Camden | 689 c1510 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11: 11: Clause 4 , page 4, line 25, leave out ““may”” and insert ““must”” On ...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1508-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Turner of Camden, on succeeding where many ...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1507-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8: 8: Clause 4, page 4, line 11, at end insert ““, including— (i) local area a...; Baroness Turner of Camden | 689 c1508 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment No. 11, which is grouped. As your Lordships will be aware, in...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1501-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, although I have great sympathy with the concerns of the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, ove...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1502-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, that Bills should define or—follow...; Baroness Hayman | 689 c1500 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may assist the House if I point out that Amendment No. 6 is grouped with Amendment No. ...; Viscount Eccles | 689 c1500-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Lord Speaker for her advice. I thank the Minister for his letter...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1506 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Viscount returns to an issue that he raised in Committee: the legitimacy of dire...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1504-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and other noble Lords for their contributions. I am gra...; Viscount Eccles | 689 c1505-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7: 7: Clause 4 , page 4, line 4, leave out ““directions and”” The noble Visco...; Lord Northbourne | 689 c1500 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I believe in principle that Bills should say what they are for. I...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1500 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 5—; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1500 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise. I thought that my noble friend Lord Eccles wished to speak as he has an amend...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1495-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Area partnership lear...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1497 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my response to this amendment remains the same as it was in Grand Committee. We sympathise...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1497-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, has summed up the Government’s position fully. The noble ...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1498 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of Bolton, for her ...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1498-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: Clause 2, page 2, line 13, leave out ““and chairman of a regional counci...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1499 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 3 and 4: 3: Clause 2 , page 2, leave out lines 20 to 25 and insert— ““(e) th...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1499-500 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: Clause 2 , page 2, line 42, at end insert ““which must include duties to...; Baroness Blackstone | 689 c1555-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like other speakers in this debate, I am grateful to my noble friend the Minister and to t...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1554-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches have always supported the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Dearing, a...; Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 689 c1552-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support Amendment No. 43, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Dearing, and to welcome...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1550-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Government, the Minister, and in particular Bill Rammell, for the genuine effo...; Lord Dearing | 689 c1547-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment No. 43, which is in this group. I am in the unusual position of...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 689 c1549-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can hardly believe that it is 14 years since the publication of the report of the Hamlyn...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1539-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not propose to divide the House because the clause refers to the same powers in respe...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1540-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 41: 41: Clause 19, page 14, line 18, at end insert— ““( ) In subsection (5) (p...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1539 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38: 38: Clause 18, page 13, line 32, at end insert— ““( ) After section 57 of ...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1539 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 40: 40: Clause 18, leave out Clause 18 The noble Baroness said: My Lords, I ha...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1539 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 35: 35: Clause 18, page 13, line 16, leave out ““follows”” and insert ““set ou...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1536 (Link to this contribution) I am relieved to hear it, my Lords. As a resident of Wales, I would be drummed out otherwise. I am ...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is in my explanation of the various amendments. I cannot point to the precise place, bu...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1536 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 34: 34: Clause 17 , leave out Clause 17 The noble Baroness said: My Lords, whi...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1536 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 27 to 33: 27: Clause 17 , page 12, line 33, leave out ““and publish”” 28: ...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my understanding is that they would need to secure that approval. I need to come back to t...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s reply and for the support of the noble Baroness, Lady Mor...; Lord Roberts of Conwy | 689 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, where is that statement?; Lord Roberts of Conwy | 689 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister’s Amendment No. 38 provides that Welsh Ministers must prepare a statement of ...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1532 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in response to the noble Lord, Lord Walton, there are other bodies in education that have ...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 689 c1532 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as chair of the National Governors Association I firmly support the amendments.; Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 689 c1531-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to speak briefly on Clause 17, and I declare an interest as chief executive ...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 689 c1531 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the Minister identify any other body in the educational sector that is a funding organ...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1532-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, where a local education authority exercises its powers to suspend a failing school’s deleg...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 689 c1532 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, surely the responsibility for disciplining and removing teachers in schools now rests with...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1527-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 17, page 11, line 39, leave out from ““institution”” to ““is”” ...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 689 c1529-31 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 34 and 40, but first I wish to say how glad we are that t...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1526-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: Clause 9 , page 7, line 37, leave out from ““ending”” to ““the”” in li...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1527 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 20: 20: Clause 9, page 7, line 39, leave out ““include”” and insert ““have inc...; Lord Northbourne | 689 c1525 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, while I would not absolutely guarantee not to bring this up again when I have seen the gui...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1525 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will ensure that the noble Lord receives it forthwith.; Lord Northbourne | 689 c1525 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 15...; Bishop of Manchester | 689 c1525 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I deeply appreciate the noble Lord’s warm supportand that of other noble Lords, including,...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1526 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it only remains for me to thank the noble Lord for listening. On Question, amendment agre...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1525-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Clause 7 , page 6, line 41, leave out ““and”” The noble Lord said: My...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1526 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 17 and 18: 17: Clause 7 , page 7, line 1, at end insert ““or ( ) such other ...; Lord Northbourne | 689 c1524-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is very helpful; I am grateful to the noble Lord. I want to apologise to the right re...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1561 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 56 and 57: 56: Clause 25 , page 19, line 5, leave out from ““ending”” to ““t...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1560 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 50: 50: Clause 24 , page 17, line 25, leave out from ““specify,”” to ““period”...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1560-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 51 to 55: 51: Clause 24 , page 18, line 2, at end insert ““for securing”” ...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1560 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 47 and 48: 47: Clause 21 , page 15, line 25, leave out ““and”” and insert ““...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1560 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 45 and 46: 45: Clause 20 , page 15, line 13, leave out from ““ending”” to ““...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1559-60 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 44: 44: After Clause 19 , insert the following new Clause— ““Report Within the...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1559 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 42: 42: Clause 19 , page 14, line 18, at end insert— ““( ) In subsection (6) (...; Lord Dearing | 689 c1559 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for what he has said. He understands fully the arguments tha...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1558-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I presented the government amendments, I spoke for 22 minutes, which had my noble fri...; Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 689 c1558 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, do the Government object to putting in the Bill a provision stating that those FE colleges...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1561 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 58 to 65: 58: Schedule 1 , page 23, line 16, after ““(3)”” insert ““— ( ) af...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1561 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 66: 66: Schedule 2 , page 25, line 26, after ““organisations”””” insert ““and ...; Baroness Hamwee | 689 c1510-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 12: 12: Clause 4 , page 5, line 3, at end insert— ““(6A) In preparing the stra...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1524 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord raises an important point. He is right that there is now a light-touch insp...; Baroness Walmsley | 689 c1518-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before speaking to my Amendment No. 49, which is in this group, I shall say a word about t...; Viscount Eccles | 689 c1506-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his explanation. With regard to the last point, I think that ther...; Lord Adonis | 689 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have now found the relevant page in my notes and can tell the noble Lord, Lord Roberts, ...; Lord Northbourne | 689 c1524 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, are there annual visits by Ofsted?
Subjects: Disciplinary proceedings Companies Finance Fees and charges Education Governing bodies Further education Greater London Higher education Franchises Learning and Skills Council for England Educational institutions Dismissal Local government Standards Training Religion Wales Vocational education Students London Assembly Quality Assurance Agency for Higher Education Foundation degrees Labour market
Legislation: Further Education and Training Bill (HL) 2006-07
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Further Education and Training Bill [HL]

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