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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 4 June 2007, in the House of Lords.

Pensions Bill

Pensions Bill. Lords Committee stage first day. Clause 5 agreed to. Clauses 6, 9 to 13 agreed to. Clauses 7, 8, 14 agreed to as amended. Schedules 2 and 3 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to as amended. Part 2 of 2 records. House again in Committee on Clause 5.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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692 c972-1014 
Session
2006-07
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Committee stage
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New clauses
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House of Lords chamber
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1003 (Link to this contribution) I accept that point, but unless one is clear about the rules for residency that one is going to appl...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c1002 (Link to this contribution) The first half of the Minister’s speech was actually arguing against a different amendment from the ...
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 36: 36: Schedule 1, page 31, leave out lines 29 to 32 and insert— ““(a) in para...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c1003 (Link to this contribution) If the House supported such an amendment, a regulation would follow in the course of next year, amon...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1005 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38: 38: Clause 14, page 14, line 36, leave out ““if”” and insert ““in respect ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1004-5 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 37: 37: Schedule 1, page 32, line 38, after ““allowance)”” insert— ““(a) in sub...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1006 (Link to this contribution) The Minister’s explanation sounds plausible and I shall await discussions with the Law Society of Sc...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1005-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, for the amendment and the series of amendments she has tabl...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1006 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 40: 40: Clause 14, page 15, line 23, at end insert ““in respect of rights accr...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1006 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness has explained, this amendment is intended to address the concern that, as the ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c993-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32: 32: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clause— ““Report on longevit...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 692 c993 (Link to this contribution) The only reason we are moving these various amendments is that this problem is very high up on the a...
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c996 (Link to this contribution) It is all very well having regular reports from the Government Actuary, but he has been no more infa...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 692 c994-6 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords will be delighted to hear that I support the general principle of the amendment, which i...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c994 (Link to this contribution) This is a good amendment, and I support it.
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c994 (Link to this contribution) This is a good amendment, and we support it.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c999-1002 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 33 proposes that we provide for a possible move to pay a basic state pension on the ba...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c996-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: 33: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clause— ““Record keeping for...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1013-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, for the chance to addressthis important issue. The...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c1013 (Link to this contribution) We support the amendment. The Government did not behave properly on the previous occasion that this ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 692 c1014 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1014 (Link to this contribution) Let me be clear: the only reason why I shall withdraw the amendment is because it is 11 o’clock and ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1010-2 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 46: 46: Clause 14, page 18, line 37, at end insert— ““(8) Subsection (9) applie...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1010 (Link to this contribution) I think that that was a varianton ““implicit””, but I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendmen...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1012-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 47: 47: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause— ““Review and alterat...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c1012 (Link to this contribution) That was a most impressive performance and I think that it is time the Minister took his PUCODI home...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1009-10 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 45: 45: Clause 14, page 17, line 29, at end insert— ““24GA Effect of amendment...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1009 (Link to this contribution) The amendment covers the issues of individual conversion on transfer. Noble Lords will be aware that...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1009 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 44: 44: Clause 14, page 17, line 8, at end insert— ““(4) A GMP conversion is d...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1008 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I will consider what he has said today and look forward t...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1008 (Link to this contribution) This is one of the amendments where we take a different view as to the role of the employer. The ame...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1007-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 43: 43: Clause 14, page 16, leave out lines 30 and 31 The noble Baroness said...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1007 (Link to this contribution) That has been very helpful. The debate reminds me of the time when I learnt accountancy and it was d...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1007 (Link to this contribution) With respect to these two amendments, it is understandable that one might think that rights to GMPs ...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1007 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 41: 41: Clause 14, page 16, line 16, leave out ““employment”” and insert ““pen...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1009 (Link to this contribution) I am less clear that relying on something that is implicit is an adequate response to the point rais...
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c980-1 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Baronesses that there will be many people working in particularly arduous or ...
Baroness Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde | 692 c980 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment of my noble friend Lady Turner. I support fully the proposal to raise the re...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 692 c979-80 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30: "30: Clause 13, page 14, line 25, at end insert—""““( ) Following the period...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c978-9 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentsNos. 28 and 29: "28: Clause 8, page 9, line 3, leave out ““This section has”” and in...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c982 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, is right that longevity has increased faster among the best-off in ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c981-2 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for springing this on the Minister, but I draw his attention to the table in paragraph 2...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c978 (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches agree. We congratulate the Government and we also congratulate the Regulatory Re...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c978 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 27: "27: Clause 7, page 8, line 36, at end insert—""““( ) In section 176(1) of th...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c977-8 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 26: "26: Clause 7, page 8, line 35, leave out ““This section has”” and insert ““S...
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c978 (Link to this contribution) Having been rather intemperate on my last intervention—unnaturally intemperate, I hope—I congratulat...
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c976 (Link to this contribution) I am confused. I shall read Hansard extremely carefully to see what the Minister has said, but I und...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c973-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lords, Lord Oakeshott, Lord Kirkwood and Lord Skelmersdale, for their amendments a...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c976 (Link to this contribution) We intend to tell people in a reasonable time when it will happen. We have made a commitment to make...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c976 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is correct. I believe that figure is a net figure. If it is not, I shall certainly w...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 692 c976 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentioned a very large figure, saying it would cost several million—£2 billion. Are the...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c977 (Link to this contribution) The more I listen to the debate, the more I realise that a period in a Parliament is a nonsense. Why...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c973 (Link to this contribution) He then said, ““But not just yet””.
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c973 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, but it does not suit my case to carry on. The Government’s position appears to be rather mix...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 692 c993 (Link to this contribution) I thank everyone who has spoken in this debate. I had three on my side, and the Minister had just on...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c992-3 (Link to this contribution) That is a separate issue. We have debated how that works. We are dealing here with situations where ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c992 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether my noble friend can help me. He is saying that whatever we do for employees must ap...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c990-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas, for giving us the chance to go over an old conundrum. I thi...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 692 c990 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment. The Minister may tell us that everything is already covered but it so...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 692 c990 (Link to this contribution) I add my support to the amendment. I do not think that 15,000 women and 5,000 men is a big number to...
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c988-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a wonderful idea, but just how is it going to be achieved? Who will do the aggregation? Who wi...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 692 c989-90 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. There is a problem. The Government have recognised that at least 15,000 wom...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 692 c987 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that sympathetic response. There was an acceptance of the view that peop...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 692 c987-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 31: 31: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clause— ““Lower earnings lim...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 692 c987 (Link to this contribution) I do not know, but I can check. This is an extremely serious matter, which we do not take lightly. I...
Lord Fowler | 692 c986 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intervene, but the point that I was trying to make was about government example. The l...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 692 c984-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friends Lady Turner and Lady Dean for precipitating the debate. They have set us a ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 692 c986 (Link to this contribution) I do not have the most up-to-date figures, but I assert that the Government intend to improve the nu...
Lord Fowler | 692 c982-3 (Link to this contribution) It will not stop me, as the noble Baroness says. My noble friend is correct. One can relate Amendmen...
Baroness Greengross | 692 c983 (Link to this contribution) I agree with much of what has been said by the noble Lord, Lord Fowler. For those who may not have s...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 692 c983-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sure we will return to this issue when we reach my amendment on annuities. Having said that, th...
Lord Fowler | 692 c982 (Link to this contribution) I am deeply disappointed because I was going to compliment my noble friend Lord Skelmersdale on the ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 692 c972-3 (Link to this contribution) I was very pleased to learn that the Government had accepted in principle at least that the basic st...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c972 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21: 21: Clause 5, page 7, line 1, leave out from ““means”” to end of line 8 an...
Lord Skelmersdale | 692 c973 (Link to this contribution) I have an amendment in this group. Perhaps I may ask, like St Thomas Aquinas, ““When, dear Lord, whe...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 692 c1010 (Link to this contribution) The amendment is concerned to ensure that, after GMP conversion, schemes do not find themselves in t...
Baroness Greengross | 692 c973 (Link to this contribution) I very much support the amendments of the noble Lords, Lord Oakeshott and Lord Kirkwood, and support...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 692 c998-9 (Link to this contribution) This is a very good amendment, which we strongly support. That is why I put my name to it. Probing a...
Baroness Noakes | 692 c1007 (Link to this contribution) That is indeed the reassurance we were seeking. We shall have to read Hansard carefully to ensure th...
Subjects
Databases Age Employment Health Eligibility Electoral register Earnings rules Guaranteed minimum pensions Index linking Government Actuary's Department Pension credit Northern Ireland Pay Pensions National insurance contributions Manual workers Means-tested benefits Pension rights Overseas residence State retirement pensions Training Take-up Retirement Uprating Voluntary contributions Life expectancy
Legislation
Pensions Bill 2006-07
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