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Debate on bill on Monday, 26 November 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Alan Johnson. The answering member was Lord Lansley.

Health and Social Care Bill

Health and Social Care Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, Report, Third reading and other proceedings agreed to on question. Money resolution agreed to on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
468 c37-106 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Money resolutions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Ben Bradshaw | 468 c101-5 (Link to this contribution) This has been a wide-ranging, well informed and constructive debate. I am pleased that the main prov...
Hywel Williams | 468 c92-4 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to make a contribution to this important debate. I accept that, to an extent, the Bill ...
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Baroness Browning | 468 c94-6 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the House for the fact that I was not present at the beginning of the debate, but I w...
Stephen O'Brien | 468 c98 (Link to this contribution) The Chairman of the Health Committee has just said that I should declare an interest: recorded in th...
Rob Marris | 468 c100 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that we need state regulation of psychotherapists?
Joan Humble | 468 c66 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to take part in a debate on a complex Bill that contains many welcome aspects but also ...
Stephen Crabb | 468 c67 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is generous in giving way again. She is being rather bold, as her assumption about how...
Joan Humble | 468 c67 (Link to this contribution) The explanatory notes refer to seeking medical advice, which I am sure will mean whatever is appropr...
Sandra Gidley | 468 c70 (Link to this contribution) I am listening with interest to the hon. Lady, and she might be about to raise this point. It is all...
Joan Humble | 468 c70-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Lady. I also agree with her earlier remarks about the rights-based approach of...
Kevin Barron | 468 c56-7 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest. In 1999 I was appointed, along with two other Members of the House, to the do...
Sandra Gidley | 468 c60 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the recent section 60 order provides a lot more flexibility...
Peter Bottomley | 468 c58 (Link to this contribution) May I use this question to prompt the Minister later, although that may require a bit of work? Does ...
Kevin Barron | 468 c57-8 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely; my hon. Friend is a practising doctor and knows such things better than I. However...
Kevin Barron | 468 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) That is true, but it depends on who is doing the appraisal. I am not sure whether it would be right ...
Howard Stoate | 468 c61 (Link to this contribution) For the record, we have had reappraisal in general practice for some time and hospital doctors certa...
Richard Taylor | 468 c88-90 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. Independence is crucial. That obligatory independe...
Stephen O'Brien | 468 c88 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point about something that, as he knows, goes back a full eight ...
Sandra Gidley | 468 c92 (Link to this contribution) That is possible under the existing regime. The new chief executive at Winchester hospital makes sur...
Richard Taylor | 468 c87-8 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Dartford (Dr. Stoate), who is the only practising member ...
Ben Bradshaw | 468 c88 (Link to this contribution) The simple reason is that LINks is already established under previous legislation. I am happy to tal...
Stephen Crabb | 468 c80 (Link to this contribution) I will go into this issue in a little more detail shortly, but where is the evidence to suggest that...
Peter Bottomley | 468 c50-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend's reference to the situation at Worthing and Southlands hospital. I...
Lord Lansley | 468 c50 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is, in a sense, misdirecting himself, because a moratorium is just that—it stops ...
Rob Marris | 468 c50 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that thoughtful response. I have not read every word of that shadow w...
Alan Johnson | 468 c44 (Link to this contribution) There may be an increase in the number of complaints, but the new commission will not deal with them...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 468 c47 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman also reflect, however, on the fact that too often this House has added so ma...
Alan Johnson | 468 c42 (Link to this contribution) I cannot say whether we have consulted the judges; all I can say is that eight of the current regula...
Peter Bottomley | 468 c42 (Link to this contribution) Clearly the Committee, on which I do not expect to serve, would be the place to go into this point i...
Alan Johnson | 468 c40-1 (Link to this contribution) As usual, my hon. Friend asks a pertinent question. If we consider the history, we see that there wa...
Lord Lansley | 468 c41 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way again. He will know how frequently the hope h...
Gordon Prentice | 468 c44 (Link to this contribution) May I ask about the Bill's implications for the health service ombudsman and whether an increase in ...
Alan Johnson | 468 c43-4 (Link to this contribution) I can confirm that there has been excellent co-operation, both before and after May 2007. That has r...
Angus Robertson | 468 c43 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State will be aware that many parts of the Bill will be subject to a legislative co...
Rob Marris | 468 c43 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way with his usual smiling generosity. He referred a few mom...
Alan Johnson | 468 c43 (Link to this contribution) There are separate arrangements to ensure that the patient has a clear involvement. The other provis...
David Leslie Taylor | 468 c42-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I shall seek to catch ...
Alan Johnson | 468 c42 (Link to this contribution) Up to a point, Lord Copper. Given the procedures that we have set out in the Bill and the arrangemen...
Kelvin Hopkins | 468 c42 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend mentioned ensuring that we have a sufficiently skilled and qualified work force...
Alan Johnson | 468 c42 (Link to this contribution) Before I give way, I should like to record my appreciation of the thoughtful and constructive approa...
Alan Johnson | 468 c38-9 (Link to this contribution) We will need to discuss that point as the Bill goes through the House. With a joint integrated commi...
Rob Marris | 468 c39 (Link to this contribution) I think that this is the appropriate point to mention that psychotherapists in the United Kingdom so...
Rob Marris | 468 c39 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is very accommodating.
Alan Johnson | 468 c37-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises the crucial issue with regard to the plan to merge the three current regulator...
Mark Pritchard | 468 c38 (Link to this contribution) On the issue of joint commissioning, does the Secretary of State recognise that, as is so often the ...
Alan Johnson | 468 c38 (Link to this contribution) I accept that things are not perfect. Practice-based commissioning, which is quite new, has still to...
Alan Johnson | 468 c37 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. This is an important Bill introducing impro...
Stephen O'Brien | 468 c96-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a privilege to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Tiverton and Honiton (Angela Browning), wi...
Rob Marris | 468 c98 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has been following the Bill a little more closely than I. Can he tell us whether ...
Stephen O'Brien | 468 c100-1 (Link to this contribution) I might have to lie on the couch to think about that. I do not see it as being within the scope of t...
Stephen O'Brien | 468 c98-100 (Link to this contribution) I do not know what the current status of the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris) ...
Joan Humble | 468 c67 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point, but he is not placing the payment in context. A woman...
Greg Mulholland | 468 c66-7 (Link to this contribution) Surely the genuine concern is about pregnant women's diet. All the health evidence shows that that m...
Sandra Gidley | 468 c67 (Link to this contribution) It is interesting that the hon. Lady seems to believe that the grant will be linked to attendance at...
Joan Humble | 468 c67 (Link to this contribution) I anticipated making only a brief reference to the health in pregnancy grant, but it appears that we...
Joan Humble | 468 c67-70 (Link to this contribution) This is exactly the sort of debate that we need to have. In order to access the grant, the woman wil...
Howard Stoate | 468 c57 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that some members of the medical profession would, rightly or wrongly, feel threatened by ...
Kevin Barron | 468 c58-60 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely true. I have the evidence that the General Medical Council received on that matte...
Sandra Gidley | 468 c62-6 (Link to this contribution) We welcome the broad aims of the Bill, but as always, the devil will be in the detail when we get to...
Kevin Barron | 468 c60-1 (Link to this contribution) It has always been the case that the GMC has tried to consider health and performance issues differe...
Charles Walker | 468 c90-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to be called to speak in this incredibly well attended debate. When I heard that ther...
Howard Stoate | 468 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) I certainly refer anyone who is interested to the register. I have been on pharmacy-funded trips in ...
Richard Taylor | 468 c88 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that intervention, but although we do not need to establish LINks, there sh...
Stephen O'Brien | 468 c86 (Link to this contribution) I wish to help the hon. Gentleman out. He rightly declared his interest as a practising medical prac...
Charles Walker | 468 c92 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has made an important point. Some say that that should not be the case; I say that it ...
Kevin Barron | 468 c80 (Link to this contribution) Is there not clear evidence that universal state benefits get to people, and that those that have to...
Stephen Crabb | 468 c80 (Link to this contribution) We can look at conditionality, and at alternatives to how this money might be spent that achieve sim...
Greg Mulholland | 468 c80 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the hon. Gentleman by asking whether he agrees that we should have strict conditi...
Howard Stoate | 468 c80 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman's reservations about the late payment of a one-off grant, but can he...
David Leslie Taylor | 468 c75-9 (Link to this contribution) I want to speak about the establishment of citizens councils for the regulation of health care profe...
Peter Bottomley | 468 c72-5 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Member for Blackpool, North and Fleetwood (Mrs. Humble) will forgive me if I do...
Stephen Crabb | 468 c80-3 (Link to this contribution) I am not disagreeing with that—there is no doubt that the cash will get to people. My argument conce...
Lord Lansley | 468 c53-6 (Link to this contribution) I beg the hon. Gentleman's pardon. Tower Hamlets spends £6 per head, whereas the Bromley primary car...
Lord Lansley | 468 c53 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's expertise is medical, not legal, but those who write the legislation will have ...
Howard Stoate | 468 c53 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a balanced argument, but if we use the civil standard of proof how will...
Lord Lansley | 468 c52-3 (Link to this contribution) I believe so. I understand that the date is April 2009, but if I am wrong the Minister will let us k...
Lord Lansley | 468 c51-2 (Link to this contribution) I was talking about accident and emergency departments, so I meant George Alberti's document. Howeve...
Lord Lansley | 468 c51 (Link to this contribution) I agree, and that is at the heart of the issue that we have presented. It is unacceptable for local ...
Alan Johnson | 468 c51 (Link to this contribution) I would be interested to know exactly which part of Roger Boyle's document the hon. Gentleman disagr...
Lord Lansley | 468 c50 (Link to this contribution) No, it is not a local process. This is why the hon. Gentleman is misdirecting himself. Our proposal ...
Lord Lansley | 468 c49-50 (Link to this contribution) We have done quite a lot of hard thinking about this matter. I do not know whether the hon. Gentlema...
Rob Marris | 468 c49 (Link to this contribution) I take the hon. Gentleman's point, but may I also suggest that he think hard, as many of us do, abou...
Lord Lansley | 468 c47-9 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in what the right hon. Lady says because under other legislation enacted by this Gov...
Rob Marris | 468 c40 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I would ask this question before the Opposition asked it, because the streamlining to...
Alan Johnson | 468 c41-2 (Link to this contribution) That is a matter for the usual channels. I do believe that we listed that Bill, but whether we shall...
Alan Johnson | 468 c39-40 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a fair point. Of course, the new regime will involve a risk-based assessment, w...
Alan Johnson | 468 c43 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has raised an important point, but this is not a matter for the Bill. I am already we...
Alan Johnson | 468 c39 (Link to this contribution) I do my best. We expect that the vast majority of providers will continue to demonstrate that they ...
Alan Johnson | 468 c39 (Link to this contribution) Not as part of the Bill, but as a separate exercise, we are seeking to clarify precisely those areas...
Lord Lansley | 468 c38 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State talked about the independence of the new care quality commission. If a chairm...
Joan Humble | 468 c37 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for giving way at an early point in his speech. He will be aware that...
Stephen Crabb | 468 c79-80 (Link to this contribution) It has been a privilege to attend the debate. There have been numerous thoughtful contributions from...
Howard Stoate | 468 c83-6 (Link to this contribution) As the House well knows, I still do some general practice for the national health service and I have...
Kelvin Hopkins | 468 c39 (Link to this contribution) In the run-up to the Bill, the Government have talked about lightening the burden of regulation for ...
Kevin Barron | 468 c98 (Link to this contribution) I was talking to my hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris).
Lord Lansley | 468 c44-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on Second Reading. The Secretary of State says that the B...
Subjects
Complaints Care homes Coroners Doctors General Medical Council Health services Finance Health professions Disease control Grants Hygiene NHS Patients Public appointments Pharmacy Public participation Mental health services Psychiatry Obesity Mental Health Act Commission Pregnancy Scotland Registration Waiting lists Standards Regulation Social services Telephone services Healthcare Commission Commission for Social Care Inspection Patients' forums Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence General Optical Council Nursing and Midwifery Council Care Quality Commission
Legislation
Health and Social Care Bill 2007-08
Contains statistics
Yes
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