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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 30 April 2008, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Hunt of Kings Heath. The answering member was Lord Kingsland.

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Lords third reading debate. Amendment 3 negatived on division (148 votes to 98). Amendment 13 negatived on division (134 votes to 91). Amendment 45 negatived on division (137 votes to 62). Amendment 48 agreed to on division (197 votes to 116). Main question agreed to on question. Bill passed and returned to Commons with amendments (Bill 104 2007-08).

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
701 c245-97 
Session
2007-08
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Third reading
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c297 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 55 and 56: 55: Schedule 27, page 304, line 4, leave out paragraph 14 and ins...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c297 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 54: 54: Schedule 25, page 271, leave out lines 17 to 35 and insert— ““Power to...
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Lord Bach | 701 c296-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53: 53: Schedule 5, page 188, line 16, leave out ““1981”” and insert ““2004”” ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c296 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 49: 49: Clause 144, page 110, line 3, at end insert— ““(5A) An order under sec...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c296 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 50: 50: Clause 145, page 110, line 36, at end insert— ““(8) Her Majesty may by...
Baroness Hanham | 701 c293 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I was saying before the Minister made that point, it is under this Government that this...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c296 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 51: 51: Clause 149, page 112, line 18, after ““by”” insert ““or under”” On Qu...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c296 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 52: 52: Clause 150, page 113, line 15, at end insert— ““(4A) Sections 117 to 1...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c292-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that it is for them to answer that particular point. I am simply seeking to demons...
Baroness Hanham | 701 c293 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot say that I am totally surprised at the Minister’s response. I am equally not tota...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot. Perhaps the noble Lord could explain his point.
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we were told by the noble Lord, Lord Dear, that this was a binding arbitration and that th...
Lord Dear | 701 c290-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in 1919 the Police Act of that year removed the right to strike from the police. One of th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c291-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, perhaps I may say how I much welcome the cameo appearance of the noble Baroness, La...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, those people all have the right to industrial action. That is the difference. It is as sim...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether I am praying in aid their errors or not. I am just pointing out that...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much fear that. I would caution that party against it. Of course, the noble Earl is...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the Minister add to the list any occasion when the Conservatives—I am not speaking for...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 701 c289-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak specifically about police pay and assure the noble Baroness that we will be s...
Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate | 701 c290 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as the former president of the Police Superintendents’ Association a...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c288 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, earlier in the debate I used the word ““chinkette”” of light. This is a great flash of sun...
Baroness Hanham | 701 c288-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 48: 48: After Clause 137, insert the following new Clause— ““Police and prison...
Lord Avebury | 701 c285-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister addressed the question of appeals as if Amendment No. 46 referred to appeals ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c287-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 47: 47: Clause 136, page 102, line 4, leave out from ““action”””” to end of li...
Lord Avebury | 701 c281-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 45: 45: Clause 129, page 98, line 1, leave out subsection (5) and insert— ““(5...
Lord West of Spithead | 701 c283-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, for bringing the House’s attention back to ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 701 c281 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 34 to 43: 34: Clause 119, page 90, line 30, leave out ““Secretary of State””...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 701 c281 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 44: 44: Clause 120, page 91, line 21, after ““England”” insert ““and Wales”” ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 701 c280 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 27 to 31: 27: Clause 117, page 89, line 32, leave out from ““means”” to end ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 701 c280-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 32 and 33: 32: Clause 118, page 90, line 14, after ““an”” insert ““appropria...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 701 c278 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: Clause 117, page 89, line 29, at end insert— ““““English NHS premises”...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c278 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for bringing forward these amendments. I am sure that I spea...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 701 c278-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 117 is a very progressive and well justified measure. It is perfectly true, of cour...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c279 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to have on the record my sincere thanks to the Ministers in the Wales Office,...
Lord West of Spithead | 701 c276 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 18: 18: Clause 98, page 76, line 29, leave out from ““and”” to end of line 30 ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c277 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: Clause 98, page 76, line 42, leave out from ““and”” to end of line 44 ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c277 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 20: 20: After Clause 103, insert the following new Clause— ““Notice of applica...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c277-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 21 to 25: 21: Clause 115, page 87, leave out lines 41 to 43 and insert— ““(a...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c276 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for the reason suggested by the noble Baroness, the Government will not oppose the amendme...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 701 c279-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have contributed to the debates and in particular the noble Barone...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c276 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Clause 65, page 52, line 8, leave out ““depict”” and insert ““portray”...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 701 c276 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17: 17: Clause 77, page 58, line 34, leave out subsection (2) and insert— ““(2...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c269-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, directly importing the ““deprave and corrupt”” test into this offence would have the effec...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 701 c269 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is an audience of one, who is about to be criminalised should this Bill be passed. H...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 701 c271-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank very much all those noble Lords and noble and learned Lords who have spoken. This ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 701 c275 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I raised these matters in Committee and at Report and I also want to express appreciation ...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c275 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when members of the Joint Committee on Human Rights were told that the Minister was going ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c275 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am overwhelmed by the modest gratitude of the House. On Question, amendment agreed to. ...
Lord McIntosh of Haringey | 701 c275 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would be discourteous for me not to join in. I rather liked word ““chinkette”” used by ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c269 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think I was arguing that. I was trying to answer the first question posed as to w...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c268-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that takes me down even more dangerous paths by asking me as a Minister to suggest what th...
Lord McIntosh of Haringey | 701 c269 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the Minister. The issue is not about the controls. The issue is ab...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 701 c267 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for the reasons that have been given by a number of other noble Lords, I, too, urge the Go...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c267 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I must apologise to your Lordships for arriving slightly late for this amendment. I...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 701 c266-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not intending to speak but I want to add my support for what the noble Baronesses, L...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 701 c268 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for giving way and for what he said. However, I should ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c268 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl is always tempting me down paths I ought not to go. It is not for the Gover...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c267-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the Minister’s comments one suddenly sees a chinkette of light. In those circumstances,...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c267 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, for allowing us to come back and de...
Lord McIntosh of Haringey | 701 c264-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, for not putting my name to Amendments Nos....
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 701 c265-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased indeed that these amendments have allowed one to have another look at th...
Lord Monson | 701 c266 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I indicated on Report, I broadly support the Liberal Democrats and the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c266 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on Report, I asked the Minister the purpose of this new offence. Was it to discourage crim...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c262 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches congratulate the Government on another climbdown on the Bill. We are p...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 701 c262 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one only has to compare the clause as it now appears in Amendment No.11 with the clause as...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 701 c262-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13: 13: Clause 62, page 49, line 31, leave out paragraph (b) and insert— ““(b)...
Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 701 c261-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11: 11: Clause 41, leave out Clause 41 and insert the following new Clause— ““...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c260-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: Clause 28, page 22, leave out lines 28 and 29 On Question, amendment ag...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c260 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 6: 6: Clause 28, page 20, leave out lines 42 and 43 On Question, amendment ag...
Lord Bach | 701 c260 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord’s point should be called the ““Hunt rule””, as it was clearly expressed by ...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c260 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it will come as no surprise to the Minister to learn that I am disappointed by his reactio...
Lord Bach | 701 c258-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for tabling the amendments. These are important matters an...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c260 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I am most grateful to the Minister for acceding to Amendments Nos. 6 and 9. No doub...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c257-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: Clause 28, page 20, line 9, at end insert ““subject to the agreement of ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 701 c254-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Bach, as ever, for his reply. I am always impre...
Lord Bach | 701 c253-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am of course not saying that. I know that learned judges do that up and down the country...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Minister saying that the courts do not already do that?
Lord Bach | 701 c252-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, like the House, am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, for p...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c252 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the second clause in the Bill which is useless and will draw the contempt of the l...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c250 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I think I said earlier, I am most grateful to the Government for bringing forward the a...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 701 c250-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 16, page 11, line 18, leave out from ““is”” to end of line 37 and...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c247-8 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 1, Amendment No. 2: 2: After Clause 11, line 11, leave out...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 701 c248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it gives me very great pleasure to say how impressed I am by the care, assiduity and sensi...
Lord Bach | 701 c245-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause— ““Pre-sentence reports...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c249 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches first raised this issue in Committee under Amendment No. 79. We are ve...
Lord Bach | 701 c249-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. On behalf of the Government, I...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 701 c249 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it will not surprise Ministers to learn that I am delighted that the Government have moved...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c249 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having spoken on this issue in Committee, I am moved, first, to thank the Government for l...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c274-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14: 14: After Clause 64, insert the following new Clause— ““Defence: participa...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c297 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Bill passe...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c293 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, inspiration has reached me in response to the interesting intervention made by the noble L...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c290 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one cannot take away somebody’s right to do something and then not put in place binding ar...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c262 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 12: 12: Clause 42, leave out Clause 42 and insert the following new Clause— ““...
Subjects
Data protection Criminal proceedings Administration of justice Crimes against the person Deportation Court of Appeal Criminal Cases Review Commission Migrants NHS Northern Ireland Prisons Pornography Prisoners' release Sentencing Sexual offences Young offenders Wales Strikes
Legislation
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2006-07 to 2007-08
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