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Debate on bill on Thursday, 12 June 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Tony Lloyd.

Manchester City Council Bill [Lords](By Order)

Manchester City Council Bill (HL). Second reading debated. Adjourned. To be resumed 19 June.

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477 c519-66 
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2007-08
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Second reading
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Speaker | 477 c519 (Link to this contribution) Before I call the hon. Member for Manchester, Central (Tony Lloyd), I should inform the House that a...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c542 (Link to this contribution) With respect, I point out to the hon. Gentleman that there are some 410 local authorities in England...
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Rob Wilson | 477 c542 (Link to this contribution) Could the Minister let the House know whether he has received any representations from the police as...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c542 (Link to this contribution) All sorts of people have made representations to us, and I have no doubt that representations of all...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c541-2 (Link to this contribution) I must press the Minister a little more on this matter. Seven local authorities have gone through th...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c542 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I may help my hon. Friend and the House. When the Manchester City Council Bill was consi...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c542 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes) was not present at the start of the d...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c542 (Link to this contribution) As I have made clear, the whole of this debate will be drawn to the attention of the researchers, an...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c542 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister draw the researchers' attention to the McCrory review of November 2006, many of wh...
Christopher Chope | 477 c552 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend explain why it is expensive in terms of money for lawyers and manpower to find ou...
Julian Brazier | 477 c551-2 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief, because a number of Members are waiting to speak and most of the points that I want...
Paul Truswell | 477 c551 (Link to this contribution) I accept what my right hon. Friend says. The situation is the same for much of the legislation inten...
John Battle | 477 c551 (Link to this contribution) I put it to my hon. Friend that Westminster city council had legislation passed in 1999, and it has ...
Paul Truswell | 477 c550 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend is absolutely right. I cannot conceive that the authorities that have ...
Brian Iddon | 477 c550 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that whatever areas such Bills cover—Newcastle, for example—there has been...
Paul Truswell | 477 c550-1 (Link to this contribution) Part of the problem with the hon. Gentleman's argument is that it is difficult to represent some of ...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c550 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman, who is being very generous. The hon. Member for Bolton, South-East (Dr. ...
Paul Truswell | 477 c550 (Link to this contribution) I was hoping to come to an end, but, yes, I certainly will.
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c550 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman allow me to intervene again?
Christopher Chope | 477 c554 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that if we had not had the Second Reading debates, which would not have t...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c554 (Link to this contribution) So early! I would be delighted to.
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c554-5 (Link to this contribution) The second irony today is the fact that my hon. Friend has, if I may say so politely, perhaps been r...
Julian Brazier | 477 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) Let us take that as an example. Somebody has to approach the person and find out whether they have a...
Julian Brazier | 477 c554 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, my hon. Friend is absolutely right and I understand that that feature is common to all the r...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c553-4 (Link to this contribution) May I suggest to my hon. Friend and the House a succinct way dealing with the problem? This is how i...
Julian Brazier | 477 c554 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that my hon. Friend leaves me totally at a loss. I have spent the last few minutes expla...
Christopher Chope | 477 c554 (Link to this contribution) Surely the problem that my hon. Friend is describing is one of enforcement in respect of rogue trade...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c554 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Canterbury (Mr. Brazier), who spoke passion...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c557 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. I am afraid that I was not in the Conservative party then; o...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c557 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification. I do not wish to detain the House, but I want to repeat the d...
Julian Brazier | 477 c557 (Link to this contribution) To emphasise my hon. Friend's point, anyone who broke the law relating to a shotgun licence would in...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c556-7 (Link to this contribution) There are two responses to that. First, I did not complain about the £12.50 price itself; I just pla...
Christopher Chope | 477 c556 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend seems to be complaining about the £12.25 fee, but how great does he think it should b...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c555-6 (Link to this contribution) I have not even got out of the starting blocks, yet I have been intervened on three times. I am more...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c555 (Link to this contribution) One point that I have made to various Government Members, as well as to fellow Conservative Members,...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c555 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a pertinent point. I am more than happy to provide the evidence that Bour...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c558-60 (Link to this contribution) We have a series of problems. The Bournemouth Borough Council Bill, which I shall discuss in a momen...
Greg Knight | 477 c558 (Link to this contribution) In the argument that my hon. Friend is developing, is he in effect saying that the problem would be ...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c558 (Link to this contribution) I do not follow that argument at all. We have to license street traders because of other laws. There...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c558 (Link to this contribution) We are going back to Elizabethan times—or perhaps James I. However we look at the legislation—whatev...
Christopher Chope | 477 c558 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that Christchurch is an ancient market town and like Bournemouth. Surely th...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c558 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend from the neighbouring constituency of Christchurch.
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c557 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the 1871 Act watered down a previous Act? I looked up the meaning of ...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c562 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for clarifying the position, and apologise for mishearing the word ““autumn””. ...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c562 (Link to this contribution) May I return my hon. Friend what he said about CCTV? It is a great idea, but Bridgwater must be an e...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c561-2 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak with some sadness, because although I agree with my hon. Friends about 90 per cent. ...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c562 (Link to this contribution) I said ““autumn””. Let me also take this opportunity to assure the hon. Member for Christchurch (Mr....
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c563 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments. His experience is, of course, greater than mine. I susp...
Brian Iddon | 477 c563 (Link to this contribution) Not all local authorities are affected in the same way as are York, Bournemouth, Manchester and Live...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c562 (Link to this contribution) The subject was raised in evidence in the other place. The witness was called Mr. Smith. I cannot te...
Brian Iddon | 477 c562 (Link to this contribution) A few weeks ago, the LGA carried out an e-mail survey on my behalf so that I could pressurise the Mi...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c561 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point that has been repeated again and again. In Newcastle, such legisl...
Robert Walter | 477 c561 (Link to this contribution) I came here today because I am sympathetic to Bournemouth's problems, but I am a little concerned ab...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c563 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that question, and I will try to clarify the position. I was trying to sa...
Greg Knight | 477 c563 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend accept that we should view with some scepticism any opinions expressed by the LG...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c563-4 (Link to this contribution) I was going to come on to that point, but may I first remonstrate with the LGA? I am concerned that ...
Christopher Chope | 477 c564 (Link to this contribution) The first thing that is apparent is that my blocking motion has ensured that none of these six Bills...
Greg Knight | 477 c564 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend not waste any time in speaking to the Nottingham City Council Bill? We have not ...
Christopher Chope | 477 c565 (Link to this contribution) I had not yet got on to Nottingham. I was going to begin by discussing Bournemouth, because that is ...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c563 (Link to this contribution) All authorities will be affected if we allow the Manchester and Bournemouth Bills to go through.
Christopher Chope | 477 c566 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that in due course the Bills will get a Second Reading. It would be better, in terms of th...
Christopher Chope | 477 c565 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend misunderstands the law. At the moment, someone with a lawful pedlars certificate can ...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c565 (Link to this contribution) Now that my hon. Friend has alienated Marks & Spencer, I am not sure where he will now buy his under...
John Battle | 477 c543 (Link to this contribution) In 1999, Westminster council had a private Bill to deal with this problem, with the result that peop...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c543 (Link to this contribution) From my research in preparation for this debate, I recognise that the considerable history behind th...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c542-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Member for Reading, East (Mr. Wilson) will welcome that intervention. On my ...
Baroness Teather | 477 c543-4 (Link to this contribution) I support the passage of the six Bills today, and if the hon. Member for Christchurch (Mr. Chope) pr...
John Hayes | 477 c544 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady, with her eagle eye, will have spotted that the Minister said that if the research fou...
Christopher Chope | 477 c543 (Link to this contribution) Will individuals and organisations be able to gain access to the researchers to provide them with ev...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c543 (Link to this contribution) Work will formally commence soon, and we will make the details available on the Department's website...
Baroness Teather | 477 c544-5 (Link to this contribution) I had not heard that. Another issue for a council trying to take enforcement action is that a pedlar...
Baroness Teather | 477 c544 (Link to this contribution) That is why it is important for the Minister to publish the terms of reference for the research. I h...
Brian Iddon | 477 c544 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Lady had any representations on the inconsistency of pedlars certificates? They vary fr...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c545 (Link to this contribution) The Minister took solace in the fact that a Bill going through the House means that financial penalt...
Baroness Teather | 477 c545 (Link to this contribution) I agree. That Bill is about to enter Committee, so there is a lot of detail to be worked out. A pedl...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c545 (Link to this contribution) I do not represent a London seat, but does the hon. Lady have any idea how many prosecutions there h...
Baroness Teather | 477 c545-6 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid I have not done that sort of research, although I can give anecdotal information from my...
Paul Truswell | 477 c547 (Link to this contribution) When I have finished the quote, as I am coming to the crux of the matter. The letter continued:"““Th...
Christopher Chope | 477 c548 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that case law is absolutely clear? The situation that he describes is ...
Christopher Chope | 477 c546 (Link to this contribution) I am very interested in what the hon. lady is saying, but has she found out whether the people invol...
Baroness Teather | 477 c546-7 (Link to this contribution) The people involved were itinerant. The fact that they came from somewhere else, constantly moved ar...
Paul Truswell | 477 c547 (Link to this contribution) I shall attempt to speak for a few minutes—if my voice lasts that long. Like many Members, I come t...
Christopher Chope | 477 c549 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman any idea of the number of occasions when pedlars have been charged and convic...
Paul Truswell | 477 c549 (Link to this contribution) No, I cannot respond to that, and I am sure the hon. Gentleman did not expect me to be able to. We a...
Hugh Bayley | 477 c548 (Link to this contribution) I warmly welcome the Bill, which has been brought forward by Manchester city council, and the Bills ...
Paul Truswell | 477 c548-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention and welcome his support. The case that I have just quo...
Paul Truswell | 477 c548 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's intervention; he leapt in a little bit too quickly, because I...
Paul Truswell | 477 c550 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way first to my hon. Friend the Member for Bolton, South-East.
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c549 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way; he is being very generous. The problem with his argument ...
Paul Truswell | 477 c549-50 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I think that matters would be considerably improve...
Christopher Chope | 477 c523 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman seems to be attacking the Greater Manchester police authority for not complying w...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c523 (Link to this contribution) It may be a matter for the police, but in my city the problem is that it is not necessarily the Grea...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c523 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a cogent case. Is not the real problem that, whatever one's view of ped...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c523 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. and that is the nub of the problem. Let us accept happily that many ped...
Julian Brazier | 477 c523 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has left the most important example off his list, although he mentions some valid...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c523-4 (Link to this contribution) Again, the hon. Gentleman moves me on to my next point. That is what is unfair about the pedlar who ...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c524 (Link to this contribution) In the end, that is the real issue. Do we really want the police to spend huge amounts of time chasi...
Paul Truswell | 477 c524 (Link to this contribution) Has not my hon. Friend put his finger on one of the major logistical problems of enforcing the legis...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c524-5 (Link to this contribution) Both parts of the hon. Gentleman's question are legitimate. That would be desirable, and I hope that...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c524 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the genesis of the hon. Gentleman's Bill. When he originally discussed it with hi...
Paul Beresford | 477 c521 (Link to this contribution) I cannot resist rising to say something about teeth whitening. There is ample legislation to deal wi...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c520 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is absolutely right, but I shall come on to the specific question of pedlars sh...
Christopher Chope | 477 c520 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that anybody who regularly crosses Westminster bridge, as I do, would...
John Battle | 477 c520 (Link to this contribution) One of the other councils bidding for a change in the rules is Leeds city council. It is controlled ...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c522 (Link to this contribution) That is a helpful piece of information. Of course, my hon. Friend has played a significant role in t...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c521 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point, which partly answers the question asked by one of his colleag...
Julian Brazier | 477 c521 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could add to that point. The problem for a number of councils, including Canterbury city c...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c521 (Link to this contribution) There are a few councils before us today, but there is an increasing demand for these issues to be d...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c520 (Link to this contribution) Any of those might be involved. I should emphasise, however, that I am not yet talking specifically ...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c519-20 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Gentleman be more specific about the type of goods involved? As we know, many pedlars s...
Christopher Chope | 477 c519 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Following your ruling, can you intimate what will happen at...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c519 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. I suppose I should congratulate the hon. Me...
Speaker | 477 c519 (Link to this contribution) While a blocking motion is in place, they will not be voted on at all. We will see how the debate pr...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c530 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I seek your clarification. I apologise that I wa...
Speaker | 477 c530 (Link to this contribution) If the proceedings on the first Bill had been entirely completed, there would be scope for further d...
Greg Knight | 477 c530 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Will you clarify something that arises out of what you have...
Speaker | 477 c531 (Link to this contribution) I had hoped that I had made that clear in my original statement.
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c531 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I oppose the Bournemouth Borough Council Bill, a...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c532 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend on two counts. I can assure him that I have the utmost con...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c532 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister today supported the seeming consensus that there should be a review of the legislati...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c532 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has pressed the Minister, and I am confident that the Minister has some good news for...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c532 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister were willing to do some work on the issue now, it would not be in vain because we wo...
Julian Brazier | 477 c532 (Link to this contribution) With his legal mind, my hon. Friend has gone right to the heart of the issue. What he says surely ex...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c531-2 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that I have caught your eye, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I am mindful of the fact that the spo...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c532 (Link to this contribution) A host of people are trying to intervene on me. I think that my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemou...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c532 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is exactly right. Today, if we get a commitment from the Minister, we will have advan...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c533 (Link to this contribution) That is a little unkind. The hon. Gentleman should address his remarks to his hon. Friend the Minist...
Paul Truswell | 477 c532-3 (Link to this contribution) A picture is developing over the days and weeks. Earlier we debated dangerous dogs and although the ...
Rob Wilson | 477 c527 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has obviously looked closely at the potential impact of the legislation. Other pl...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c527 (Link to this contribution) I think I should allow the hon. Member for Bournemouth, East (Mr. Ellwood) to answer the question ab...
Christopher Chope | 477 c527 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman, who is being generous in giving way. May I press him a little more ...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c528 (Link to this contribution) An awful lot of traders come from overseas, including Poland. I correct myself; it was my fault, not...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c528 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for being generous with his time, but I do not understand one aspect of w...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) It is not really a question of revoking pedlars licences. The point has been made several times, but...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c528 (Link to this contribution) If there is a properly recognised local licensing scheme, whereby individuals have to apply to the l...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c528-9 (Link to this contribution) I am concerned, but not necessarily for the reason that the hon. Gentleman invites me to be concerne...
Rob Wilson | 477 c528 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman again for giving way—he is being very generous with his time. Is he not c...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c529 (Link to this contribution) That is correct. In fact, in one part of my city, there is an agreement with the street traders that...
Paul Truswell | 477 c529 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for allowing me to intervene once again. Is there not another i...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c529 (Link to this contribution) I give way for the very last time.
Tony Lloyd | 477 c530 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that I am bringing the hon. Gentleman with me, at least on part of the issue; I look forwa...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c539 (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting point, with which I shall deal a little later.
Gareth Thomas | 477 c539 (Link to this contribution) What I said was that the evidence in favour of national legislation is still unclear. As for our vie...
Baroness Teather | 477 c539 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that it is unclear whether we need national legislation, and I agree that a unifor...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c537-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a genuine pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Cotswold (Mr. Clifton-Brown), whose opening r...
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c538-9 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister saying that the matter is to be dealt with by local authorities and that he will the...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c536 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's exchange with the hon. Member for Christchurch (Mr. Chope) is interesting becau...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman made a particularly interesting point in his speech: when the definition of pedla...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c536 (Link to this contribution) I will happily give way, but for the last time, as I want to give other hon. Members a chance to spe...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c536 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c536 (Link to this contribution) The law may be clear, but I am sure that the learned gentleman to whom my hon. Friend refers has not...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c541 (Link to this contribution) Although the Minister's announcement goes some way towards beginning to address the problem, the pro...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c541 (Link to this contribution) We hope that the research will be completed by the autumn and, as I said, we expect it to be publish...
Julian Brazier | 477 c540 (Link to this contribution) The announcement the Minister has just made is, of course, welcome, but can we be clear about the gr...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c540 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, we will be conducting research. The hon. Gentleman raises a fair point, and the Durh...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c540-1 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the whole House will welcome the Minister's remarks as a significant indication of pr...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c541 (Link to this contribution) I assure my hon. Friend that all the points made in today's debate will be drawn to the researchers'...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c539 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, my hon. Friend has led a very effective campaign in favour of national legislatio...
Brian Iddon | 477 c539 (Link to this contribution) Clause 2 of my private Member's Bill would give local authorities the power to adopt the measures in...
Gareth Thomas | 477 c539-40 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend's point is similar to the point made by the hon. Member for Brent, East (Sarah Teathe...
Paul Truswell | 477 c539 (Link to this contribution) What evidence does my hon. Friend need to be persuaded of the validity of the case? As has been poin...
Rob Wilson | 477 c535 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend explain exactly what he means when he talks about local authorities having the p...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c533 (Link to this contribution) I regret to say that I cannot listen to every local programme, so I was not able to listen to the pr...
Greg Knight | 477 c533-4 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend not be blown off course by the hon. Member for Pudsey (Mr. Truswell) because it ...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c533 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend asks me a technical question. My own view on the matter is that if we reviewed the fr...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c534 (Link to this contribution) My goodness, I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Reading, East (Mr. Wilson), who has not int...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c534 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend's remarks are very important. I can assure him that we will not be blown off co...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c533 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is aware that Bills on Newcastle upon Tyne, Liverpool, Leicester, Medway, Maidstone, ...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c535 (Link to this contribution) I see that my hon. Friend is still puzzled, so I give way to him again.
Rob Wilson | 477 c535 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend explain where such powers do not exist currently?
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c535 (Link to this contribution) One of the definitions in the six Bills, which are all slightly different, is of ““perishable goods”...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. He, too, is a great expert in the subject, so I am sure that h...
Greg Knight | 477 c536 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is being generous in giving way. The fact that a genuine pedlar applies for a licence...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c536 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a number of points. I stress again that we on the Conservative Front Benc...
Christopher Chope | 477 c536 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is in danger of misleading himself about the complexity of the law relating to pedlar...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c535 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will be aware that a number of Acts contain powers for local authorities to do things...
Greg Knight | 477 c526 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tony Lloyd | 477 c526 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a few final remarks, but I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman.
Tobias Ellwood | 477 c525-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful argument. I hope that we get an opportunity later to speak t...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c526 (Link to this contribution) I can be the hon. Gentleman's hon. Friend today, that is okay. Of course I agree with him, and he is...
Paul Beresford | 477 c525 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being very convincing. He has convinced me that we should drop these Bills her...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c525 (Link to this contribution) I am reasonably grateful for that intervention. If the hon. Gentleman could promise me that he will ...
Brian Iddon | 477 c525 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend as concerned as I am about the utter waste of public money involved in all this? E...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c525 (Link to this contribution) If anyone could do the calculation faster than I, it would be my hon. Friend. An awful lot of pedlar...
Baroness Teather | 477 c525 (Link to this contribution) To pick up on that point, a general law, of which the Bill promoted by the hon. Member for Bolton, S...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c525 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is right and what she says very helpful, as it shows that there is joined-up, cross-pa...
Julian Brazier | 477 c563 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend made a statement at the outset, which I am still waiting for him to justify as it rep...
Christopher Chope | 477 c533 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on his major policy announcement. When the policy is developed, will h...
Greg Knight | 477 c555 (Link to this contribution) I received an e-mail yesterday from Mark Smith, the head of tourism at Bournemouth borough council, ...
Speaker | 477 c531 (Link to this contribution) I gave a ruling on that at the very outset. The Bills are being debated together, so it would be per...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c526-7 (Link to this contribution) As far as I am aware, there has been one petition in relation to Greater Manchester. It was presente...
Brian Iddon | 477 c557 (Link to this contribution) I remind the hon. Gentleman that the 1982 Act was passed by a Conservative Government. They could ha...
Ian Liddell-Grainger | 477 c563 (Link to this contribution) May I finish my point first? They will all be affected because people will be moved on—my hon. Frien...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c566 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Gentleman, because while he has intervened, he has not used an excessive amo...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c520-1 (Link to this contribution) I cannot, of course, speak on behalf of Westminster or Lambeth councils—I am not quite sure where in...
Tony Lloyd | 477 c529 (Link to this contribution) I shall, but then I must make progress by sitting down.
Christopher Chope | 477 c529-30 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. Earlier, he made a point about costs. If wh...
Brian Iddon | 477 c521-2 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that the reason I proposed my Pedlars (Street Trading Regulations) Bill is b...
Greg Knight | 477 c526 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who has told the House why he favours this Bill. In the interes...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 477 c535 (Link to this contribution) The powers, as I have said, are currently contained in that definition of pedlars. The problem, as h...
Subjects
Canterbury City Council Nottingham City Council Manchester City Council Reading Borough Council Regulation Street trading Bournemouth Borough Council Leeds City Council
Legislation
Manchester City Council Bill (HL) 2006-07 to 2009-10
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