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Debate on Thursday, 7 May 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Kim Howells. The answering member was Baroness Smith of Malvern.

Intelligence and Security Committee

Debate on a motion that this House has considered the matter of the Intelligence and Security Committee annual report (Cm 7542) and the government's response (Cm 7543).

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
492 c390-440 
Session
2008-09
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c425-6 (Link to this contribution) I stand corrected. Nevertheless, the legislation defines the numbers precisely, and there was no vac...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c422-4 (Link to this contribution) It is always a privilege to listen to the hon. Member for Newark (Patrick Mercer), and I hope that t...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c402-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is referring to paragraphs 134 and 135, which deal with the professional head of ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c407 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Committee's Chairman might take cognisance of the following suggestion. There n...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c425 (Link to this contribution) Indeed we are. If you look at paragraph 11, Madam Deputy Speaker, you will see that reference is mad...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c426-7 (Link to this contribution) I am surprised that I have rattled the right hon. Gentleman's cage. Seeing as nobody else in this pl...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c437 (Link to this contribution) Who is to blame—the Cabinet Office or the security and intelligence services? I realise that asking ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c428-33 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the right hon. Gentleman's intervention, because he has amplified on the work of t...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c427-8 (Link to this contribution) I agree. I cannot overstate my concern and dismay about the lack of discussion of the threat in this...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c400 (Link to this contribution) Before the hon. Gentleman gets carried away in mutual congratulations between Front Benchers and pro...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c392 (Link to this contribution) I pored over my right hon. Friend's report, and it contains no mention of cyber attacks, or what is ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 492 c424-5 (Link to this contribution) I am a bit dismayed, because that does not alter my point. The report tells us that the Committee wa...
Kim Howells | 492 c410 (Link to this contribution) I would not like to clarify that.
Tom Brake | 492 c410 (Link to this contribution) No clarity will be given then. If there are still matters to be debated and inquired into, I hope th...
Dari Taylor | 492 c410-3 (Link to this contribution) I wish to start, as I believe I have done in every debate on the Intelligence and Security Committee...
Tom Brake | 492 c408 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that helpful intervention. I do not know whether it will be possible ...
Michael Mates | 492 c408 (Link to this contribution) What the right hon. Member for Knowsley, North and Sefton, East (Mr. Howarth) says is absolutely cor...
Michael Mates | 492 c408 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will just shut up for a minute, I will explain what happens. It is then the C...
Dari Taylor | 492 c420 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman will acknowledge that we are discussing the 2007-08 report. The 2008-...
George Howarth | 492 c404-6 (Link to this contribution) I hope to be fairly brief and to cover just two points, because my right hon. Friend the Member for ...
George Howarth | 492 c408 (Link to this contribution) To enable the debate to continue properly after the intervention by my hon. Friend the Member for Th...
Tom Brake | 492 c408 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that intervention.
Tom Brake | 492 c408-10 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that intervention, which has provided some clarity. My reading ...
Michael Mates | 492 c414 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate our new Chairman, the right hon. Member for Pontypridd (Dr. Howells), on his thoughtf...
Dari Taylor | 492 c414 (Link to this contribution) I have concentrated on it because that is what our report concentrated on. It is important that I ha...
Michael Mates | 492 c415-7 (Link to this contribution) When the Prime Minister came into office, he said that he wanted to see some changes. I was going to...
Ben Chapman | 492 c417-20 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure, albeit a daunting one, to follow the right hon. Member for East Hampshire (Mr. Mat...
Patrick Mercer | 492 c420-2 (Link to this contribution) Of course, and I am most grateful to the hon. Lady for that intervention. The fact remains, however,...
George Howarth | 492 c424 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend referred to the conference in Portugal. For the sake of accuracy, I should say that i...
Michael Mates | 492 c426 (Link to this contribution) It would be of help, particularly to anybody who is listening to the debate, if the hon. Gentleman g...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 492 c437-40 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend will not be surprised to learn that I am not going to start talking ab...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 492 c433-7 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to have the opportunity to close this debate on the report of the Intelligence and Securit...
Tom Brake | 492 c427 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that that is another argument for restricting the number of large data...
Lord Grayling | 492 c401-2 (Link to this contribution) I accept my right hon. and learned Friend's word in these matters. However, I am sure that he and hi...
Richard Ottaway | 492 c404 (Link to this contribution) While my hon. Friend is on the question of reform, may I invite him to comment on reform of the Inte...
Lord Grayling | 492 c401 (Link to this contribution) We certainly support as much transparency as possible but while still allowing the Committee to work...
Lord Grayling | 492 c404 (Link to this contribution) First and foremost, I should not wish to cast any aspersions on the role of the current Chairman or ...
Tom Brake | 492 c406-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Member for Pontypridd (Dr. Howells) for introducing the debate in very carefu...
Lord Grayling | 492 c400 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will have a chance to ask the Home Secretary or a member of the Co...
Kim Howells | 492 c398 (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is absolutely true, although I do not believe for one minute that any of this is cut and d...
Lord Grayling | 492 c400 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point and I was about to mention the scale of redaction. I reme...
Kim Howells | 492 c398 (Link to this contribution) I agree with every word of the right hon. and learned Gentleman's analysis. He is absolutely right, ...
Fiona Mactaggart | 492 c393 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend talks about the importance of the Committee gaining the trust of the wider worl...
Tobias Ellwood | 492 c391 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to distract the right hon. Gentleman, but he draws attention to the report of one of h...
Kim Howells | 492 c391-2 (Link to this contribution) Every time I think of the hon. Gentleman, I think of his brother, who was so cruelly taken from his ...
Lord Grayling | 492 c403-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. We look forward to his speech, if he manages to catch...
Marquess of Lothian | 492 c401 (Link to this contribution) For four years, I made the same speech as my hon. Friend is making from that Dispatch Box. I too use...
David Winnick | 492 c401 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Chairman of the Committee believes that I would like to see much of its work done in pub...
Michael Mates | 492 c399 (Link to this contribution) I must be careful about what I say, but I can tell my hon. Friend that we have made huge efforts in ...
Lord Grayling | 492 c398-9 (Link to this contribution) May I begin by offering two different sets of thanks? The first is to all the people who work in our...
Fiona Mactaggart | 492 c398 (Link to this contribution) Is our trust in our partner agencies not dependent on them? My right hon. Friend has highlighted a n...
Lord Grayling | 492 c399 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for those comments and I am sure they will be welcomed by the ...
Kim Howells | 492 c394-7 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way again, because I know that many right hon. and hon. Members are waiting to speak...
Marquess of Lothian | 492 c397-8 (Link to this contribution) I totally support what the right hon. Gentleman is saying. It is very important to stress again that...
David Winnick | 492 c393 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend this to reflect in any way on the Committee's present or previous membership, but wi...
Kim Howells | 492 c393 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for raising that issue. I shall deal with her point in a moment, if she will ...
Kim Howells | 492 c393 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and I can tell my hon. Friend that the Committee is thinking very seriously about how we can co...
Kim Howells | 492 c392-3 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with my hon. Friend about the gravity of the threat of cyber attack—[Interruption.]...
Kim Howells | 492 c390-1 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House has considered the matter of the Annual Report of the Intelligence an...
Patrick Mercer | 492 c420 (Link to this contribution) I speak in this debate every year, and it is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wirral, South ...
Patrick Mercer | 492 c413-4 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely interested to hear what the hon. Lady—the diminutive young lady opposite—has to say. ...
Michael Mates | 492 c414-5 (Link to this contribution) I never doubted that either. I want to put in perspective how much change has taken place over the ...
Speaker | 492 c425 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before the hon. Gentleman responds to that intervention, I remind Members that we are discuss...
George Howarth | 492 c425 (Link to this contribution) I have been reflecting on whether my hon. Friend has partaken of any of the products he has just adv...
Michael Mates | 492 c428 (Link to this contribution) This is a serious and sensitive matter. What more can the Government or anybody in the security serv...
Subjects
ICT Accountability Intelligence services Internet Intelligence and Security Committee National security Parliamentary scrutiny al Qaeda Espionage Joint Intelligence Committee Terrorism
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