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Opposition day on Wednesday, 27 January 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Stephen O'Brien. The answering member was Andy Burnham.

Dementia Services

Dementia services. Third opposition day debate (part 1). Motion negatived on division (275 to 162). Amendment agreed on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
504 c815-72 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department of Health
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 504 c826 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his point of order. I will respond as follows, and I hope th...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c826 (Link to this contribution) The Government announced the establishment of memory clinics, rather than memory centres, in every t...
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Speaker | 504 c825 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I was not disputing the word of the hon. Member for Tive...
Lindsay Hoyle | 504 c826 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is extremely generous. Does he also believe in the est...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c825-6 (Link to this contribution) It is indeed a serious subject, Mr. Speaker. I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for East Dev...
Lord Swire | 504 c824 (Link to this contribution) What my hon. Friend says about the proposal is interesting, because in my constituency of East Devon...
Speaker | 504 c825 (Link to this contribution) On the whole, I have good hearing. I must admit that I did not hear that remark.
Baroness Browning | 504 c824 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Is it in order for a Minister from a sedentary position to accuse ...
Lord Mann | 504 c826 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. When the House adopted the Nolan principles and rules, which it di...
Andy Burnham | 504 c824 (Link to this contribution) If that is the hon. Gentleman's big idea, can he explain how that will possibly help people who want...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c824 (Link to this contribution) Of course. Perhaps the Secretary of State can answer the same question.
Andy Burnham | 504 c824 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Chris Ruane | 504 c823 (Link to this contribution) On where the money is coming from, the hon. Gentleman will be aware that the health budget has risen...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman any more. He is clearly rather excited. The Royal Col...
Lord Mann | 504 c822 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way on that point?
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c824 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State knows that that intervention was completely unnecessary, because it has never...
Andy Burnham | 504 c827-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from "charities" to the end of the Question and add:""welco...
Speaker | 504 c827 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman. The point of order has been raised. The response has been ...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c827 (Link to this contribution) I am happy, Mr. Speaker, to take the opportunity to say that that is an extraordinary thing to be ra...
Bob Spink | 504 c828 (Link to this contribution) May I raise a pragmatic point with the Secretary of State? Does he agree that people who need adapta...
Andy Burnham | 504 c828 (Link to this contribution) Chorley is just over the border and I would be happy to do that. Across the north-west we have seen ...
Lindsay Hoyle | 504 c828 (Link to this contribution) I understand my right hon. Friend's commitment to his constituency, Leigh, and his use of statistics...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c816-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that excellent point. He is right and he anticipates one ...
Edward Leigh | 504 c817 (Link to this contribution) The National Audit Office reported, of course, to the Public Accounts Committee. We had a very good ...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c817 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Chairman of the PAC for that intervention and for the work that he has overseen...
Andy Burnham | 504 c817 (Link to this contribution) Let us be absolutely clear. Is the hon. Gentleman saying that he would make it a national target or ...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c817 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the Secretary of State will reflect on the fact that he did not use the word "priority",...
Lord Blunkett | 504 c817 (Link to this contribution) I must say to the hon. Gentleman that, as vice-president of the Alzheimer's Society, patron of my ci...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c818 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman—no doubt he will seek to catch Mr. Speaker's eye later, as...
Lord Mann | 504 c818 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentioned fiscal responsibility and other matters. Has he had a chance to conside...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c819 (Link to this contribution) I shall make progress, I think, as I have already answered the hon. Gentleman. To date, the Governm...
Andy Burnham | 504 c819 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way again?
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will no doubt have to answer to his right hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield, B...
Lord Mann | 504 c819 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Andy Burnham | 504 c819 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that he believes in local decision making in the NHS. Is he saying, at the D...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c819 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can make sure that the Secretary of State knows the point that he has to answer: why was d...
Speaker | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I say to the hon. Gentleman that it is helpful to me and the House to know to whom he is ...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for East Devon (Mr. Swire).
Speaker | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. Mr. Hugo Swire.
Lord Swire | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful, Mr. Speaker. Does my hon. Friend agree that it is important that PCTs see dement...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely the problem that arises when something is called a priority but is not then backed...
Robert Key | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) The collective amnesia of Health Ministers is remarkable. My hon. Friend will remember that about a ...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who has always taken a keen interest in this important area. He is ...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c821 (Link to this contribution) It is interesting that the hon. Gentleman seems to have a question about every single point that I a...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c821 (Link to this contribution) With respect, the right hon. Gentleman, who intervened earlier, should wait until I have made more p...
Lord Mann | 504 c821 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way on that?
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c821 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is an expert in this subject and fully understands the difficulty that that entails. ...
Lord Blunkett | 504 c821 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Jeremy Wright | 504 c820 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State asked my hon. Friend whether dementia should be part of the NHS tier 1 priori...
Baroness Browning | 504 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) I am a member of the PAC, and we took evidence on this issue on Monday. However, another issue arose...
Lord Mann | 504 c821 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. I discussed memory clinics, among other issues, with my P...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c821 (Link to this contribution) I note that the hon. Gentleman did not answer his own question about whether there were any memory c...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c816 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman attempts to be more precise, but he will find that 700,000 is the figure for the ...
Nick Palmer | 504 c815 (Link to this contribution) On that point, the Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology says that 700,000 is the current e...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c815 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my hon. Friend. He is absolutely right to have spotted that I said that 700,00...
Jeremy Wright | 504 c815 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that those figures may not tell the whole story on dementia? He has descri...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c815 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House wishes to see the quality of life improve for the 700,000 people in t...
Phil Hope | 504 c866-7 (Link to this contribution) I am always pleased when Conservative candidates campaign for Labour policies, but I would tell vote...
Lindsay Hoyle | 504 c866 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased that my hon. Friend mentions memory clinics or surgeries. He will be pleased to know th...
Phil Hope | 504 c865-6 (Link to this contribution) A few months ago, I visited a new memory clinic in south London that is an outstanding example of wh...
Anne Milton | 504 c864-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member, perhaps I should have said. The savings made from families, friends and charities, ...
Anne Milton | 504 c862-4 (Link to this contribution) Some 700,000 people have been diagnosed with dementia, although there may be many more undiagnosed. ...
Shailesh Vara | 504 c861-2 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure and privilege to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Rugby and Kenilworth (Jeremy ...
Phil Hope | 504 c867 (Link to this contribution) It is good to see the hon. Gentleman taking part in the debate; we thought he had decided to leave u...
Andy Burnham | 504 c829 (Link to this contribution) That is true, and we need a different approach, whereby all public bodies come together and think ab...
Lord Mann | 504 c829 (Link to this contribution) All public bodies should come together. Will my right hon. Friend comment on Tory-run Nottinghamshir...
Andy Burnham | 504 c829 (Link to this contribution) Given that my hon. Friend has been determined to raise that issue three times, somebody ought to com...
Andy Burnham | 504 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises an important point. We have all probably seen in our constituencies how th...
Andy Burnham | 504 c829 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Gentleman again, albeit briefly.
Bob Spink | 504 c829 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State confirm that councils can add their own money to the disabled facilities...
Andy Burnham | 504 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman, who makes a very important point. It would not be right for people ...
Lord Swire | 504 c829 (Link to this contribution) Most of us in the Chamber are signed up to the idea of independent living, whereby people should be ...
David Tredinnick | 504 c849 (Link to this contribution) We had better not go down that route but I remember that in neighbouring Derbyshire the Labour admin...
Speaker | 504 c849 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think the hon. Gentleman would do well to stick to dementia for the time being.
David Tredinnick | 504 c850 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps amnesia got to me in that case, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I approve of the policy of free persona...
Nick Palmer | 504 c849 (Link to this contribution) On the contrary, Nottinghamshire is, I believe, the only county in Britain where not only people at ...
Speaker | 504 c848 (Link to this contribution) Order. I was shaking my head about not going down that route, not about other matters.
David Tredinnick | 504 c848-9 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The figures show that nationally there are about 700,000 people with...
Nick Palmer | 504 c849 (Link to this contribution) On a point of information, Nottinghamshire accepts that it has done well from the local government s...
Jeremy Wright | 504 c858-61 (Link to this contribution) I begin by joining the tributes that have been paid to Neil Hunt, the departing chief executive of t...
Phil Hope | 504 c857 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has to be very clear. I am interested to hear what he will say about this, as he ...
Lord Swire | 504 c857-8 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister. My constituent, and everybody in East Devon, will be most intere...
Lord Mann | 504 c852-4 (Link to this contribution) We have heard the policy of the Opposition Front Bench. The hon. Member for Bosworth (David Tredinni...
Lord Swire | 504 c854-7 (Link to this contribution) Last year, Mr. Paul Cann, the director of policy and external relations for Help the Aged, described...
Phil Hope | 504 c850 (Link to this contribution) I may be mistaken and the hon. Gentleman may be able to correct me, but I understand that Leicesters...
David Tredinnick | 504 c850-2 (Link to this contribution) We come back to the argument about delivery of service—who does it and whether it is necessary. We h...
Phil Hope | 504 c850 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give the hon. Gentleman that figure, too. The sums are not that difficult. It does not...
David Tredinnick | 504 c850 (Link to this contribution) Although I applaud the fact that the Government have made money available, the serious point is that...
Phil Hope | 504 c850 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said he would stand corrected, so I want to correct him. The Personal Care at Hom...
David Tredinnick | 504 c850 (Link to this contribution) I thought the Minister might have come up with a different figure, which is the difference the measu...
Nick Palmer | 504 c843-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. From talking to other families in that situation, I know that it is com...
Jeremy Wright | 504 c844 (Link to this contribution) I will not, of course, engage with the hon. Gentleman on the details of what is happening in Notting...
Nick Palmer | 504 c844 (Link to this contribution) That is correct. I also would not say that every public sector home is a model in its treatment of A...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c845 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made an important point with which we are all wrestling: how one can put port...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c840-2 (Link to this contribution) That is very helpful. You heard it here first, Mr. Deputy Speaker. If there is nothing by 3 June, we...
Nick Palmer | 504 c842-3 (Link to this contribution) I have some personal connection with this issue. My late father suffered from dementia, and my mothe...
Lord Swire | 504 c843 (Link to this contribution) I am following the hon. Gentleman's speech with considerable interest. Does he agree that one of the...
David Tredinnick | 504 c848 (Link to this contribution) I see the hon. Gentleman nodding his head. This is an important debate at an important time. I do no...
Nick Palmer | 504 c845 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman; that is an important point, although, to be honest, I did not inclu...
Jeremy Wright | 504 c845-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. I wonder whether he agrees that the likeli...
Nick Palmer | 504 c846-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and I can see that the hon. Gentleman's brain is in an excellent state, because he has anticipa...
David Tredinnick | 504 c847 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful that you have called me, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I feel that it would be churlish if I did...
Nick Palmer | 504 c846 (Link to this contribution) Yes, we are part of the world community on that. It is entirely appropriate that Britain should play...
Lord Swire | 504 c846 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way to me a second time. Does he agree that, alongsid...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c836 (Link to this contribution) I do, and that is a very important point. I hope that our regular debates on the matter and the stra...
Madeleine Moon | 504 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that part of the difficulty that we have, and part of what we must ac...
Nick Palmer | 504 c839 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there are two kinds of care training: one for people who are enga...
Tim Farron | 504 c837 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has alluded to a concern that many of us share: although we welcome the funds that ha...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c837 (Link to this contribution) I alluded to that in my introductory comments by pointing out that dementia is not one condition and...
Madeleine Moon | 504 c838 (Link to this contribution) One of the key ways in which that joint working can be effective is when an elderly person with deme...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c837-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend rightly makes the point that making a difference on the ground, in those PCT areas, i...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c839 (Link to this contribution) That sounds like an interesting scheme, albeit one of which I am not particularly aware. Again, it i...
Lord Swire | 504 c839 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is important to consider expanding the role of Admiral nurses,...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c839 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point, with which I agree. Anyone in the care or health sector who m...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c840 (Link to this contribution) I am sure it is. I am sure that Chorley is the ideal location for many things—[Laughter.] To make a ...
Lindsay Hoyle | 504 c840 (Link to this contribution) Just for clarification, I treat a "clinic" and "centre" as the same—the provision of services is the...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that helpful intervention. I do not want to get sucked into the rathe...
Jeremy Wright | 504 c839 (Link to this contribution) May I return briefly to the operating framework? The Secretary of State is technically right that de...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c839 (Link to this contribution) The information came from the Alzheimer's Society. My point is that primary care trusts must view th...
Andy Burnham | 504 c839 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making an excellent speech, but to correct him, the recent operating framework...
Andy Burnham | 504 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that comment, and it was wonderful to have him in Leigh on...
Andy Burnham | 504 c830 (Link to this contribution) We do make that distinction, and we do distinguish people's needs in the care system. I agree with t...
Lord Swire | 504 c830 (Link to this contribution) None of us wants people entering care prematurely, but the Secretary of State needs to distinguish b...
Andy Burnham | 504 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a point of fundamental importance, and Opposition Members would do well not to ...
Madeleine Moon | 504 c830 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that there is a huge risk in labelling people with dementia as unabl...
Jeremy Wright | 504 c831 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has dealt with the point about why he decided not to ring-fence that money,...
Lord Blunkett | 504 c831 (Link to this contribution) I was very pleased to be in Leigh on Saturday, but I was not able to examine the services there, bec...
Andy Burnham | 504 c831 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair question, and we are conducting a spending audit, which will produce a report. I shal...
Madeleine Moon | 504 c832 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that one of the greatest steps that this Government have taken to im...
Rob Marris | 504 c835 (Link to this contribution) Can my right hon. Friend confirm that one major reform that we have introduced, which has been littl...
Andy Burnham | 504 c833-5 (Link to this contribution) I can certainly say to my hon. Friend that we are proud of our NHS. We also, though, value the contr...
Rob Marris | 504 c833 (Link to this contribution) As regards voices calling for change, will my right hon. Friend resist any calls for privatisation i...
Andy Burnham | 504 c832-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The 2000 Act was groundbreaking. It was bitterly opposed by some...
Lindsay Hoyle | 504 c836 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a very good point. May I say to him that there is a stigma among relati...
Andy Burnham | 504 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right that a myth is put about that we have done nothing and that there has been i...
Phil Hope | 504 c868 (Link to this contribution) Madam Deputy Speaker, I was talking about dementia research when I was intervened on, but I take you...
Speaker | 504 c868 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps the Minister would like to respond to the debate rather than that intervention.
John Baron | 504 c868-9 (Link to this contribution) claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36). Question put forthwith, That the Question be n...
Shailesh Vara | 504 c867 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. When contributions were mentioned earlier in the debate, ...
Speaker | 504 c867 (Link to this contribution) I was aware of the earlier point of order and accusations. For the benefit of Members, I will repeat...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c867 (Link to this contribution) The Minister should withdraw his comments.
Speaker | 504 c867-8 (Link to this contribution) Order. I shall repeat the ruling that Mr. Speaker made earlier in the debate. He said:""I am gratefu...
Phil Hope | 504 c868 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Other questions were raised about points of detail. The hon. Member...
Rob Marris | 504 c868 (Link to this contribution) Speaking of the Leader of the Opposition, does my hon. Friend agree that a politician who puts out p...
Phil Hope | 504 c868 (Link to this contribution) Airbrushing a face is one thing, but airbrushing policies is another.
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c822 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that excellent point. It is an example of how we need make sure ...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c819-20 (Link to this contribution) The answer to that is, of course, no. That is because Vital Signs is the Secretary of State's target...
David Tredinnick | 504 c847 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. The right hon. Member for Sheffield, Brightside (Mr. Blunkett) mentio...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c836 (Link to this contribution) I echo the words of the Secretary of State by warmly welcoming the chance to debate this important i...
Speaker | 504 c815 (Link to this contribution) I inform the House that I have selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.
Lord Lansley | 504 c867 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is currently responsible for the dementia strategy; I hope that we will be responsible ...
Lord Swire | 504 c816 (Link to this contribution) Is not this issue of diagnosis the precise point, because one of the things we were promised in the ...
Greg Mulholland | 504 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes an important point, which clearly shows that we need to learn from experience on...
Stephen O'Brien | 504 c823-4 (Link to this contribution) It would be very nice if the Government would match our promise and say that there will be real-term...
David Tredinnick | 504 c849 (Link to this contribution) In that case, I am not sure whether I insulted the hon. Gentleman or paid him a compliment. The hon...
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Care homes Carers Dementia Diagnosis Alzheimer's disease Diseases Drugs Medical treatments Older people Training
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