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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 9 March 2010, in the House of Lords.

Child Poverty Bill

Child Poverty Bill. Lords report stage. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 46).

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
718 c142-204, c218-34 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Child Poverty Bill. As amended on Report.
Tuesday, 9 March 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Child Poverty Bill. As amended in Grand Committee.
Monday, 8 February 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c153-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for moving the amendment. It has been a good but short debate. ...
Lord Freud | 718 c152-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the household below average income data show before and after housing costs across a wide ...
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Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 718 c157 (Link to this contribution) 3: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert— "( ) The duty referred to in subsection (1) shall be ac...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 718 c155-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate, particularly the noble L...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 718 c151-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I briefly raise a couple of points that have been mentioned in the course of this high...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 718 c150-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I should declare an interest—I am a member of a housing association. I support an...
Lord Freud | 718 c159 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take this opportunity to return to a topic that we discussed in Committee and to delve f...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 718 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, obviously, if the important duties set out and placed on the Secretary of State in Clause ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 718 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply and, indeed, to the noble Lord, Lord Freud, fo...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, for this amendment. It gives us the chance to put so...
Lord Freud | 718 c170 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take issue with the idea which the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, put forward that this wa...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c168-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is my role in life to try and comfort the noble Lord, Lord Freud. I thank him for his a...
Earl of Listowel | 718 c167-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. The noble Lord, Lord Freud, has made a helpful adjustment to the ...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 718 c166 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not want to try to follow that. The noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, has got a lot off he...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c164-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Freud, and I have a lot in common on this amendment. I, too, would li...
Lord Freud | 718 c161-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is our central amendment to the Bill. It reflects what seems to be a genuine differen...
Lord Freud | 718 c161 (Link to this contribution) 5: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause— "Non-financial targets The Secretary of State wi...
Lord Freud | 718 c171 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her question. This is clearly an immensely complicated issue. The fig...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has made this point before. I understand perfectly well that, when two people share a...
Lord Freud | 718 c171 (Link to this contribution) Thank you. I will try to rattle through my remarks. I thank the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, for his ...
Lord Freud | 718 c172 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that question. At this stage, I do not have a specific strategy in the hypo...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c171 (Link to this contribution) I entirely accept what the noble Lord said about addiction and not withholding resources, but is he ...
Lord Freud | 718 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment is designed to do two things. First, it aims to lay a duty on the Secretary...
Lord Freud | 718 c172 (Link to this contribution) 8: Clause 6, page 3, line 25, at end insert— "( ) In making regulations under subsection (1)(c), (d)...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c173-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for the amendment. We read the wording of the amendment to try t...
Earl of Listowel | 718 c173 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. I am thinking of families where there is substance misuse. An agency called...
Lord Freud | 718 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Maybe I should apologise for it not being completely ...
Baroness Walmsley | 718 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 10 is in my name and, I am pleased to say, in the name of the Minister as well. For that r...
Baroness Walmsley | 718 c178 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her reply. I hope that when the Secretary of State comes to make these appo...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 718 c178 (Link to this contribution) The Minister referred to "working" with poverty. I mean no disrespect, but a social worker goes into...
Baroness Crawley | 718 c178 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, for tabling the amendment, which of course we s...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 718 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no objection to the amendment but I should like to take this opportunity to talk ab...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 718 c181 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Kirkwood raised this matter in Committee and said how important nutri...
Lord Freud | 718 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with these amendments. At their heart, they demand the ans...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 718 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 23, which has the valuable support of colleagues on all sides of the...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 718 c178 (Link to this contribution) 11: Schedule 1, page 19, line 27, at end insert— "Reports on malnutrition The Commission must, for e...
Bishop of Bradford | 718 c181-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my colleague, the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Leicester, spoke at Second Reading ...
Lord Rea | 718 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to follow the right reverend Prelate because my remarks are going to cover so...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c184 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was particularly asked by the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, to give her apologies for bei...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c187 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I received the letter. I did not find the arguments, which were administrative, persuasive...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c187-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad that my noble friend at least received the letter. Perhaps I will have another g...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 718 c190-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to colleagues and everyone who has taken part. It has been a high-quali...
Lord Freud | 718 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) 12: Clause 8, page 4, line 12, at end insert— "( ) For the purposes of this Part, the definition of ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c184-6 (Link to this contribution) It was the German constitutional court. The noble Lord will know that both benefits and taxes within...
Earl of Listowel | 718 c186 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the right reverend Prelate drew attention to postnatal and antenatal services and the Marm...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c186-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken to these amendments. Perhaps I can clarify what I ...
Lord Freud | 718 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are now venturing into a Dadaesque land of the absurd. There are two Bills before the H...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 718 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we intend to reach the poorest in our society yet we use language they will not understand...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 718 c193 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to add a word to what the noble Lord, Lord Freud, said. I too am somewhat concerned...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 718 c200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the Minister on the two amendments which he has laid. Subject to the little...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 718 c198-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are very pleased that the Government have brought forward Amendments 13 and 15 in respo...
Lord Freud | 718 c199-200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for moving the amendment and in particular for indicating that he wou...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c196 (Link to this contribution) 13: Clause 8, page 4, line 23, at end insert— "( ) the provision of information, advice and assistan...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c196-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have pleasure in speaking also to Amendment 15 in this group. Amendment 13 adds to the p...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c194-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to start with, I would never suggest that the noble Lord, Lord Freud, was mad—far from it....
Lord Freud | 718 c196 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am particularly grateful for the support of such a formidable legal brain as the noble a...
Lord Best | 718 c149-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been somewhat of a bystander during the successful progress of the Bill, but it mig...
Lord Freud | 718 c146 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that. We are pleased to have that concession. Amendment 1A agree...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 718 c146 (Link to this contribution) 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert ", and (e) the relative low income after housing costs t...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 718 c146-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I make no apology for introducing this amendment again on Report. All the other amendments...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c149 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have reservations about this amendment. I understand the intent, which I think is decent...
Lord Freud | 718 c142-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment reframes a proposal that we put forward in Committee. Essentially, I propos...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 718 c143-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in Grand Committee I felt as though much of the time we were all dancing a bit of a quadri...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c144 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support this amendment because I want to see my Government or an alternative Government afte...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c145-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak to Amendment 1A, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Freud. The aim of the Bill is to dr...
Lord Freud | 718 c142 (Link to this contribution) 1A: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— "2010 poverty target (1) The Secretary of Stat...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c223 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down—I apologise for interrupting him—I want to place on record that the ...
Lord Freud | 718 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords for not malignly interpreting the motives behind the amen...
Baroness Crawley | 718 c223 (Link to this contribution) 22: Clause 9, page 5, line 25, after "fit," insert— "( ) must consult such parents, and organisation...
Lord Freud | 718 c223 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister. I drew the analogy because if we cannot find ways to help the po...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 718 c220 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened with interest to the way the noble Lord, Lord Freud, introduced his amendment a...
Lord Freud | 718 c219-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I touched on this issue in my earlier amendment covering non-financial targets, which I wi...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c221-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for his amendment, and to other noble Lords w...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 718 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must add a word here. I know something about substance misuse because I chair the Nation...
Lord Freud | 718 c218 (Link to this contribution) 17: Clause 8, page 4, line 26, at end insert— "( ) When considering taking any measures under subsec...
Baroness Crawley | 718 c204 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I suggest that further consideration on Report be now adjourned? In moving this Motion...
Lord Freud | 718 c204 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that. I am not quite sure I understand the distinction. For all group...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c204 (Link to this contribution) I did not say and would never say that benefits should be kept artificially low for single people in...
Lord Freud | 718 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been short debate. It deserves more thought than we have given it here. It goes t...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c203 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his amendment; I will be brief in responding to it. The amendme...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c202-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Freud, has raised a very interesting question, which goes back to a m...
Lord Freud | 718 c201-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in Grand Committee, the debate on this amendment narrowed to the specific issue of whether...
Lord Freud | 718 c201 (Link to this contribution) 16: Clause 8, page 4, line 26, at end insert— "( ) In preparing a UK strategy, the Secretary of Stat...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c201 (Link to this contribution) 15: Clause 8, page 4, line 26, at end insert— "( ) When considering for the purpose of a UK strategy...
Lord Freud | 718 c201 (Link to this contribution) 14: Clause 8, page 4, line 24, at beginning insert "physical and mental" Amendment 14 agreed. Amen...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c200-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords for their support for the government amendments. In brief...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c234 (Link to this contribution) 43: Clause 22, page 14, line 2, at end insert— "( ) must consult such parents, and organisations wor...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c234 (Link to this contribution) 45: Clause 26, page 16, line 9, at end insert— ""parent" means— (a) any individual who has parental ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c229 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not feel very strongly about this amendment, but I wonder whether it is necessary. In...
Lord Freud | 718 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister and the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, very much for their responses. Frankly, my...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c232 (Link to this contribution) 37A: Page 21, line 34, leave out "(c)" and insert "(d)" 37B: Page 21, line 37, leave out "(c)" and...
Lord Freud | 718 c232 (Link to this contribution) 41: Clause 20, page 12, line 29, leave out "each" and insert "those"
Lord Freud | 718 c232 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are now on the last lap. I am afraid that after reflecting on the Minister’s response t...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for these amendments and I hope to be able to convince...
Lord Freud | 718 c233-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the Bill we have absolute flexibility for the Secretary of State to define socio-econom...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c234 (Link to this contribution) In terms of flexibility, in relation to co-operation, Clause 20(1)(c) talks about, ""such other pers...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 718 c225 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my old friend the Minister for summarising so effectively the issues concerned in ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 718 c225-6 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may add my thanks and congratulations to the Minister, first on allowing me to join in thi...
Baroness Crawley | 718 c223-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to move this amendment and to speak to government Amendments 30 and 43. In ...
Lord Freud | 718 c227 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank the noble Baroness for meeting the concerns expressed around this House, inc...
Baroness Crawley | 718 c227-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their very generous comments. The heavy lifting on this, as th...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 718 c226 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask my noble friend one or two questions. Like everyone else, I am particula...
Earl of Listowel | 718 c226-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, warmly welcome these amendments. My colleagues have far more experience in this ar...
Lord Freud | 718 c228-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government concessions today have done much to reassure me that the strategy produced ...
Lord Freud | 718 c228 (Link to this contribution) 33: Clause 14, page 9, line 31, at end insert— "( ) For the purposes of subsection (1)(a), (b) and (...
Lord Freud | 718 c234 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that clarification. Of course there is flexibility in adding on further par...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c229-31 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased that we have been able to reassure the noble Lord, Lord Freud, at least on so...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c228 (Link to this contribution) 30: Clause 12, page 8, line 21, after "fit," insert— "( ) must consult such parents, and organisatio...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 718 c232 (Link to this contribution) 39: Clause 17, page 10, leave out lines 21 and 22 40: Clause 17, page 10, line 33, leave out subse...
Baroness Walmsley | 718 c176 (Link to this contribution) 10: Schedule 1, page 18, line 18, leave out from beginning to "appoint" and insert "The Commission m...
Subjects
Children Alcoholic drinks Disadvantaged Carers Costs Advisory services Housing benefit Housing Health Drugs Low incomes Northern Ireland Parents Poverty Public consultation Misuse Nutrition Mental health Parental responsibility Scotland Social security benefits Social rented housing Malnutrition Child Poverty Commission
Legislation
Child Poverty Bill 2008-09 to 2009-10
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