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Debate on bill and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Wednesday, 7 April 2010, in the House of Commons.

Digital Economy Bill [Lords]

Digital Economy Bill (HL). Committee stage debate. New clauses agreed on division (197 to 40). Other amendments agreed on question. Bill reported with amendments. Third reading. Agreed on division (189 to 47). Bill passed with amendments.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
508 c1106-44 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department for Business, Innovation and Skills
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1131 (Link to this contribution) With this, it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment 35, page 8, line 29, after 'cas...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1131 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 15, page 8, line 25, leave out 'may' and insert 'must'.
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Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1132 (Link to this contribution) I have tabled some of the amendments in this group. Amendment 35 is really a reaction to the Bill's ...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1131-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall be very brief indeed. The House will know that I have already raised the concerns expressed ...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1132-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the right hon. Gentleman did not hear the earlier parts of this debate or Second Rea...
Denis MacShane | 508 c1132 (Link to this contribution) I rise as a parent and a former president of the National Union of Journalists to humbly suggest to ...
Denis MacShane | 508 c1133 (Link to this contribution) I have been following the debate in great detail. In the very last debate of this Labour Government,...
Nick Palmer | 508 c1130 (Link to this contribution) I am just concerned, as are a lot of people out there, that what is underlying this debate is a Fron...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1131 (Link to this contribution) I am reassured about the first amendment in the group. However, I am not convinced on what my right ...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1130-1 (Link to this contribution) Let me comment on the three amendments that my hon. Friend the Member for West Bromwich, East (Mr. W...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1127-8 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point. I am sorry that my hon. Friend was not here on Second Reading, because some ...
Stephen Pound | 508 c1127 (Link to this contribution) I am sure I cannot be the only Member of the House who feels considerable distaste at this list of s...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1127 (Link to this contribution) As we see now—there are other amendments ahead of us—suspect practices take place whereby people mak...
Mark Todd | 508 c1127 (Link to this contribution) I just wish to strengthen that point. Does my hon. Friend share my surprise at the confidence of our...
John Grogan | 508 c1129-30 (Link to this contribution) I want to say a few words about the concept of the super-affirmative resolution procedure, which I h...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1129 (Link to this contribution) I fear that the hon. Gentleman ought to do his homework a little better. If he reads the amendment t...
Adam Afriyie | 508 c1129 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is quite right to say that there is not enough time to consider this Bill in grea...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1128-9 (Link to this contribution) We are often concerned about why members of the public hold us in such low regard, but anybody obser...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1127 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has identified a further flaw in the clause that I had not. The importance of the pos...
Mark Todd | 508 c1126 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend sure that a postal delivery will suffice? Many people may have chosen to form a co...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1126 (Link to this contribution) If someone has an ISP connection, the bill is likely to be sent to a postal address, which will allo...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1125-6 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment 38, page 7, line 39, leave out '...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1125 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 39, page 7, line 36, after 'subscriber', insert
Jeremy Corbyn | 508 c1126 (Link to this contribution) How does my hon. Friend expect a name and address to be discovered so that a letter can be sent, giv...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1126 (Link to this contribution) Clause 4 deals with the obligation to notify subscribers of a copyright infringement. The Minister h...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1124 (Link to this contribution) I gladly give way to another of my hon. Friends.
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1124-5 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend suggested that I was making the case that the clause was a sledgehammer to crac...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1124 (Link to this contribution) I think that the copyright owner will be clear about what copyright they own. I say again to my hon....
John Hemming | 508 c1123 (Link to this contribution) I return to the point that it does not matter whether the IP is version 4 or version 6. How can we g...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1124 (Link to this contribution) The copyright owner can obtain the information by observing the fact that somebody has downloaded ma...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1123 (Link to this contribution) There are some particular issues about mobile networks, and we could get into discussion about how t...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 508 c1123 (Link to this contribution) It really is kind of the Minister to give way. I support him in what he says about copyright. I have...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1123 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that reassurance, but I do not think that we need to amend the B...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1123 (Link to this contribution) The amendment does not seek to do that. It seeks to oblige people to say whether they think the infr...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1122-3 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful to my hon. Friend if he will forbear for a moment while I make a little more hea...
Mark Todd | 508 c1122 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Stephen Timms | 508 c1122 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way. I need to make a bit more headway before I give way again. It is right that we...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1122 (Link to this contribution) When a copyright owner identifies that their copyright has been obtained by somebody without payment...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1120 (Link to this contribution) I ask the House to resist the amendments in the name of my hon. Friend the Member for West Bromwich,...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1120 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting so early, but will the Minister make it clear to the House that the amb...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1121 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. It is very important that the industry does that and develop...
William Cash | 508 c1121 (Link to this contribution) There is a real problem, but there is also a problem of proportionality and realism. I return to the...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1121-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's characterisation of clause 4 is quite wrong. It is a very focused provision, de...
John Hemming | 508 c1122 (Link to this contribution) On the practicalities of clause 4, proposed new section 124A(6)(d) of the Communications Act 2003 ta...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution) Let me just remind the hon. Member for Bath (Mr. Foster) that what we are doing is taking powers to ...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1135 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 2, page 11, line 23, leave out from 'transparent' to end of line 26.
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1135 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: clause 18 stand part. Government new clau...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) Taking my cue from the hon. Gentleman, I refer him to the remarks that I made a few moments ago, whi...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) In the light of that reassurance, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) I refer the Committee to the comments that I made a few moments ago regarding my concern about the t...
Adam Afriyie | 508 c1136 (Link to this contribution) That was the most elegant of U-turns; it was beautifully put. It highlights the point that we have d...
Adam Afriyie | 508 c1136 (Link to this contribution) To be absolutely clear, in the other place, the Liberal Democrats proposed an amendment to the Bill,...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1136 (Link to this contribution) Of course the hon. Gentleman understands the situation absolutely correctly; he was present in the H...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1135 (Link to this contribution) We want to remove clause 18, the text of which was inserted in another place on a joint initiative o...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1135-6 (Link to this contribution) On Second Reading, I acknowledged that two thirds of current illegal activity on the internet, which...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1133 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Denis MacShane | 508 c1133 (Link to this contribution) A Liberal Democrat asks me to give way. We are in the last dying hours of this Parliament. That part...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree that what we are doing on infringement must not undermine our efforts to ensure that there i...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) There is a type of case that is not covered by the Minister's reassurance. Somebody might park outsi...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 12, page 9, line 35, leave out 'six' and insert 'nine'.
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment 13, page 9, line 36, leave out from 'force' to ...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) In such a case, my hon. Friend might receive a letter in due course informing him that an infringeme...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend could introduce a password so that somebody driving up outside his house would not be...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1134 (Link to this contribution) In light of the Minister's assurances, and because I am conscious of the time available, I beg to as...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1106 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Sir Alan. As I say, I am not going to move this. Clause 1 gives us a requirem...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1106 (Link to this contribution) Order. For the sake of rectitude, I should say to the right hon. Gentleman that he does not have to ...
Lembit Opik | 508 c1106 (Link to this contribution) I understand what the Minister is saying about the nature of the process. Is he aware that in Montgo...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1106 (Link to this contribution) Sir Alan, I am not going to move that clause 1 stands part of the Bill. In—
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1106 (Link to this contribution) I must say to the Committee that before I propose the Question that clause 1 stand part of the Bill,...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1108-9 (Link to this contribution) Sir Alan, you have always been a very patient man. I want to apologise to you in advance for the num...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1107-8 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment 37, page 6, line 27, at end inse...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1107 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 36, page 6, leave out lines 16 to 20 and insert
Stephen Timms | 508 c1107 (Link to this contribution) Thus warned, Sir Alan, I shall be cautious, other than to say that the hon. Gentleman knows well how...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1107 (Link to this contribution) Order. I must say to the hon. Gentleman that that matter has nothing to do with the Bill or with the...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1107 (Link to this contribution) The Minister tells us that he is sad that the broadband tax has been dropped and he said that it was...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1107 (Link to this contribution) I can give the hon. Gentleman the reassurance that our universal service commitment stands.
Lembit Opik | 508 c1107 (Link to this contribution) Am I therefore right to understand that the action that the Minister is taking on this clause does n...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1106-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises a very important point. It is a matter of deep concern in rural areas acro...
Baroness Featherstone | 508 c1109 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, given the very real public concern about this Bill, it is much m...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1110 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and the same is true more broadly for people who want to share knowledge, data, culture, art an...
John Hemming | 508 c1110 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is making a point about the financial aspect of file s...
David Drew | 508 c1111 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to support the amendments tabled in the names of my hon. Friend the Member for West B...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1109 (Link to this contribution) I shall not name him because, as the hon. Gentleman knows, naming Whips is not a good thing to do, p...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1109 (Link to this contribution) Yes; I have said categorically that if I had my way, the Government would remove clauses 11 to 18. G...
Nick Palmer | 508 c1109 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that there is quite a lot of concern among members of the wider public who...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1109 (Link to this contribution) I shall not be tempted to go too far on that point, except to say that we heard yesterday that there...
Mark Lazarowicz | 508 c1109 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way and for all the arguments that he has put forward so ...
Lord Foster of Bath | 508 c1114 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the deliberations in another place, which I think he will acknowled...
William Cash | 508 c1113-4 (Link to this contribution) It strikes me that a lot of the difficulties that we are experiencing and hearing about are not diss...
Derek Wyatt | 508 c1113 (Link to this contribution) It is alarming, although not surprising, that it took me a search of the internet to discover exactl...
John Grogan | 508 c1113 (Link to this contribution) Many Members in the Chamber—sadly I will not be one of them, because I shall not be here after the e...
David Drew | 508 c1111 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree. Perhaps my position is unusual, but the Bill is getting me more of a postbag, an...
Mark Todd | 508 c1111 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend referred to proper scrutiny. The word he left out was "democratic"—the phrase should ...
Andy Reed | 508 c1112-3 (Link to this contribution) We have a very short time in which consider the Bill. Would it not have benefited from pre-legislati...
John Grogan | 508 c1112 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for West Bromwich, East (Mr. Watson) has been working on the amendments ni...
Jeremy Corbyn | 508 c1112 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. Does he accept that amendment 34 would bring some sanity to...
John Grogan | 508 c1112 (Link to this contribution) It is with great pleasure that I follow my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud (Mr. Drew). The amendm...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1115 (Link to this contribution) I was not speaking for the silver surfers, of whom my hon. Friend the Member for Islington, North (J...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1115 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Member for Great Grimsby (Mr. Mitchell) could not hear me, but I was getting up to s...
William Cash | 508 c1114-5 (Link to this contribution) That is fascinating and very important. It illustrates the point that I have been trying to make, wh...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1115 (Link to this contribution) I will not spend time on the lecture delivered by the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash), but I agree ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 508 c1115 (Link to this contribution) I do not know why my hon. Friend thinks that it is only young people who are worried about file shar...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1116 (Link to this contribution) I am very sorry that my internet connection with you was cut off, Sir Alan, but that is an illustrat...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1116 (Link to this contribution) I will have to give way to another silver surfer.
William Cash | 508 c1118 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman believe that, although we will not get the opportunity to look into it, ther...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 508 c1117 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman completed his contribution? In plain words, has he finished?
Stephen Pound | 508 c1116 (Link to this contribution) More "Teenage Kicks", I would have hoped. As ever, my hon. Friend makes a persuasive point. But what...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1116 (Link to this contribution) To answer my hon. Friend's transcendent genius, there is a case to be made for protecting intellectu...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1116 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure how to describe my hon. Friend. He is certainly not a silver surfer.
Mark Lazarowicz | 508 c1116 (Link to this contribution) Is not one of the problems that the whole basis of this measure is that it assumes that the internet...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1116 (Link to this contribution) That is true, and that is the second reason for supporting the amendment. My third reason would be t...
John Hemming | 508 c1117-8 (Link to this contribution) I start by declaring some interests. I am a member of the BPI, the Performing Right Society and the ...
Nick Palmer | 508 c1119 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is quite right. Either the law will be effective or it will not. If it is effecti...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 508 c1119 (Link to this contribution) I commend the hon. Member for West Bromwich, East (Mr. Watson), who has set himself up as the digita...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1119 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the hon. Gentleman's praise. I guess the vacuum that I am filling is the one left by th...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 508 c1119 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to that. I was going to commend the hon. Gentleman for his amendments, and he has bee...
Nick Palmer | 508 c1119 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman going to proceed from his party political knockabout to tell us what the Conse...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 508 c1120 (Link to this contribution) We decided to support the Bill in principle. We would have loved to scrutinise the clauses being deb...
Christopher Chope | 508 c1120 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend is suggesting that the remedy proposed by those who tabled the amendments is wrong...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 508 c1120 (Link to this contribution) We simply make the point that there is not time—we have been put in an invidious position. My hon. F...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1120 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is a very good friend of mine, and that is the most intellectually disingenuous c...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 508 c1120 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is not even going to move all his amendments; he is simply putting them forward f...
Mark Todd | 508 c1124 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend. I wanted to draw his attention to his repeated use of the phrase that ...
Austin Mitchell | 508 c1115 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right.
Nick Palmer | 508 c1118 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief, because time is short. I am possibly one of the few Members who have suffered dire...
Stephen Timms | 508 c1123 (Link to this contribution) I give way first to the hon. Member for Uxbridge (Mr. Randall).
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 508 c1110 (Link to this contribution) Yes; I was rather taken aback yesterday to hear someone—I think it was the Conservative Front Benche...
Subjects
Access Disclosure of information Capital investment Copyright Broadband ICT Infrastructure Intellectual property Internet Ofcom Telecommunications Regulation Taxation Internet service providers
Legislation
Digital Economy Bill (HL) 2009-10
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