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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Monday, 17 January 2011, in the House of Lords.

Energy Bill [HL]

Energy Bill (HL). Committee stage debate. Clauses 1 and 3 agreed, Clause 2 as amended, agreed. New clauses considered. Clause 4 under consideration. Committee adjourned. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
724 c1-60GC 
Session
2010-12
Department
Department of Energy and Climate Change
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Teverson | 724 c56GC (Link to this contribution) 10: Before Clause 4, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty of green deal providers (1) It is the d...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c27GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness’s amendment. If the issue had not been raised by someone else...
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Lord Teverson | 724 c51GC (Link to this contribution) 9: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— ““Protection for improvers The Secretary of Stat...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c43GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for that explanation: I had entirely misunderstood the amen...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c19GC (Link to this contribution) 1D: Clause 2, page 2, line 43, at end insert ““, including renewables and low-carbon technologies,””...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c42GC (Link to this contribution) 2F: Clause 3, page 4, line 6, at end insert— ““( ) for the payment of a reduced fee for charities an...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c12GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister’s response has not surprised me, and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment ...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c51GC (Link to this contribution) That was a slightly less fulsome reply than I had hoped for. I hoped my noble friend would agree rea...
Lord Marland | 724 c51GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is marvellous to see such harmony in the room at the Government’s expense. Given the fo...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c51GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is putting ideas in the Whips’ and party managers’ heads. We would like to see each o...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c51GC (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord imagining that these will all be separate orders? Is it not open to the Government...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c51GC (Link to this contribution) I followed the noble Baroness in the Second Reading debate and was somewhat surprised to agree with ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c50GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is faced with a significant challenge to his position. If the noble Baroness,...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c50GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, going back a very great many years, I remember when I was a law student at Cambridge. One ...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c49-50GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as has been pointed out, Amendment 5ZA is a manuscript amendment. First, I apologise to th...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c49GC (Link to this contribution) 5ZA: Clause 3, page 4, line 26, after ““scheme”” insert ““must be made by order and””
Baroness Parminter | 724 c49GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reassurances. They are indeed reassuring and I am happy to withdraw my ...
Baroness Parminter | 724 c44GC (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 3 I shall also speak to Amendment 6, with which it is grouped. The amendments de...
Baroness Parminter | 724 c44GC (Link to this contribution) 3: Clause 3, page 4, line 25, at end insert— ““( ) requiring unannounced random inspections and myst...
Baroness Parminter | 724 c44-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for raising that point. At Second Reading, I raised the point about ...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c44GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness leaves this point, it is all very well asking the Government to do somethi...
Lord Whitty | 724 c45-7GC (Link to this contribution) I support the bulk of these amendments. They may eventually appear in a somewhat different form but ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c45GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are considering, among other things, what is to go into the code of practice. We are no...
Lord Marland | 724 c47-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Parminter, for raising this issue. I welcom...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c47GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of the Opposition I wish to state how much we support the broad thrust of these ...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c43GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. I understand the concerns of the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin of Roding. H...
Lord Marland | 724 c43GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for raising this amendment. It is critical, particularly at this time, th...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c42GC (Link to this contribution) I am not suggesting that it should work on tram-lines, but there will need to be a consistency that ...
Lord Teverson | 724 c41-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for giving way. I would like to make an illustration there, which may com...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c41GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister. I welcome the approach that he has taken throughout this Co...
Lord Marland | 724 c40-1GC (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords for tabling these amendments which seek to ensure that the Green Deal participan...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c43GC (Link to this contribution) The second amendment would also look at the size of the organisation—the kind of provider. It comes ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c43GC (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Baroness going to say anything about the second amendment in this group, Amendment 7A? ...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c42GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I draw on my experience as a Minister with responsibility for the third sector and for soc...
Lord Marland | 724 c59-60GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an interesting amendment. The question raised by my noble friend Lord Teverson of ...
Lord Teverson | 724 c60GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for going through that explanation. He is right to say that there is a list of ...
Baroness Northover | 724 c60GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday at 3.45 pm.
Lord Teverson | 724 c52GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment concerns a matter of principle. When reading through the detail of the Bill ...
Lord Marland | 724 c52-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 9 would require the Secretary of State to ensure through regulation, audit and t...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c52GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the principle of what the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, is seeking to achieve. It i...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c53-4GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may put a scenario to the Minister and ask for his comment so that I can see if I have mis...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c53GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has indicated that competition will be properly regulated and that consumers will be pr...
Lord Teverson | 724 c54-5GC (Link to this contribution) How do the Government see the status of assessors? Does the Minister see them as being like independ...
Lord Marland | 724 c54GC (Link to this contribution) I think that noble Lords are looking at this in a narrow sphere. I am not familiar with parts of the...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c55GC (Link to this contribution) I have listened carefully to the Minister. I think that he is trying to reassure noble Lords on this...
Lord Marland | 724 c55GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is nothing to prevent an assessor working for an organisation, but the reality is th...
Lord Teverson | 724 c55-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for going through this and perhaps spending more time on it than he w...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c56GC (Link to this contribution) Not moved. Amendment 8D not moved. Amendment 10 Moved by
Baroness Pitkeathley | 724 c56GC (Link to this contribution) Before I call the next amendment, I must apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin of Roding, for omi...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c57-8GC (Link to this contribution) There is both good and bad in this suggested new clause. The point about the first three subsections...
Lord Teverson | 724 c57GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with my noble friend entirely. The quality of the assessor is most important, but that has t...
Lord Moynihan | 724 c57GC (Link to this contribution) I begin my intervention by apologising that I was not with you at Second Reading. Unfortunately, the...
Lord Teverson | 724 c56-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is another broad and, in some ways, probing amendment. I have gone through the Bill. ...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c58GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel that in some ways we have already had this debate during the course of the Bill. We...
Earl of Lindsay | 724 c37-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, raise a number of important themes...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c39GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. It was not my intention to say that there should be ...
Earl of Lindsay | 724 c39-40GC (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that we are. I am grateful to the noble Lord for that clarification. We are in the ...
Lord Marland | 724 c29-31GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thought that I had an explanation of why there are so many amendments, but my noble frie...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c32GC (Link to this contribution) 2D: Clause 3, page 3, line 44, at end insert— ““( ) to ensure that assessors and providers have the ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c31-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his constructive reply, and I am grateful to the other noble Lords...
Lord Teverson | 724 c34GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak first to my Amendment 8C. I am trying to be helpful to the Government, as is the noble...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c32-4GC (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 2D, I shall speak also to Amendments 2G and 5B. It is probably difficult to spea...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c36-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when one wishes to be pejorative about processes, the words ““tick box”” slip easily off t...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c34-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have sympathy with what the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, has just said, particularly about...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c28-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord O’Neill, prompts me to rise in respect of some of the amendments tabl...
Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 724 c29GC (Link to this contribution) Picking up on the point that the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, made, she used the word ““ventilation”...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c27-8GC (Link to this contribution) I support the previous two contributions. We have seen a diminution in deaths due to smoke inhalatio...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c24GC (Link to this contribution) 2AA: Clause 2, page 3, line 25, leave out ““(5)(b)(ii) and insert ““(5)(a)(ii)”” Amendment 2AA agre...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c24GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her words. I have a sense that she is going to take away Amendments 1...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 724 c26GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I made clear at Second Reading, my amendment concerns carbon monoxide alarms. I am grat...
Lord Teverson | 724 c25GC (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to speak during the course of a Bill to which I have been looking forward for...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c25GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purport behind the amendments is to clarify what will be included in the framework reg...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c25GC (Link to this contribution) 2B: Clause 3, page 3, line 39, leave out ““may”” and insert ““shall””
Baroness Northover | 724 c24GC (Link to this contribution) I am asking that Amendment 1D be withdrawn and that Amendment 2AA, when we come to it, is accepted, ...
Baroness Northover | 724 c23-4GC (Link to this contribution) This is not the first Bill that I have worked on, but my previous role in international development ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c24GC (Link to this contribution) I am not quite clear where we are. As the amendments have not been moved we cannot yet have the ques...
Baroness Northover | 724 c24GC (Link to this contribution) I think the relevant ones were moved. I am accepting Amendment 2AA and ask that the others be withdr...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c24GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; we have not yet reached Amendment 2AA and I have not moved it.
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c20-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin with an apology that I did not table this amendment until this morning. Last week ...
Lord Colwyn | 724 c20GC (Link to this contribution) We are back now on the original Marshalled List. The manuscript amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Je...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c21-3GC (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment. It is important that the possibility of renewable energy making a contribu...
Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 724 c21GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder if I could support this amendment but also refer back to the Minister’s remarks a...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c19-20GC (Link to this contribution) Other noble Lords have alluded to their experience of rising to speak in this Room for the first tim...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c18-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister, but I am not sure he has addressed the point I made first. ...
Lord Marland | 724 c18GC (Link to this contribution) That is very kind of the noble Baroness. Subsection (4)—no, I have already done this. Subsection (5)...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c16-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. I do not wish to delay the proceedings, but I think he...
Lord Marland | 724 c17GC (Link to this contribution) This is a commercial market-driven project. In any commercial market-driven project there are going ...
Lord Marland | 724 c15-6GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is learned, but not in the way that I meant. He does not want to be called learned t...
Lord Marland | 724 c15GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this part of the Bill introduces the Green Deal. The Green Deal is at the heart of this En...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c15GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is perfectly clear that there is a great deal of detail to be worked out before the Bil...
Lord Marland | 724 c12GC (Link to this contribution) We greatly welcome the attendance of the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, who always brings great ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c11-2GC (Link to this contribution) If we won the argument substantially with the Government on the main proposals of the Bill, I have n...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c12-3GC (Link to this contribution) I thought it would be helpful to say something about our general approach to the Bill and the Green ...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c13-4GC (Link to this contribution) I reiterate the point that was made by the noble Baroness just before she sat down. There are refere...
Lord Colwyn | 724 c13GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should not interrupt at this stage but perhaps it will help the Committee if I clarify o...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c14GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, pointed out, I raised inter alia whether or not statuto...
Lord Colwyn | 724 c11GC (Link to this contribution) Obviously noble Lords are able to speak to any amendment as it comes up on the Order Paper. I agree ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c11GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Baroness; it was late notice, but we understood that in the latest official...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 724 c11GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was trying to get in before the noble Lord sat down. I assume from what he said that Wel...
Lord Marland | 724 c7-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the first Bill that I have been involved with, so please be patient with me, if yo...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 724 c6-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel tempted to rise for the fly that has been flicked over us, as you might say, even t...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c5-6GC (Link to this contribution) That is fine. Every man has his price. Some are well enough off to be able to do that. Many of the p...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c11GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I am a little confused. Amendment 1B was grouped wi...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c10-1GC (Link to this contribution) I confess that this is not my first time speaking for the Opposition in Committee; I am not enjoying...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c10GC (Link to this contribution) 1B: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty of Welsh Ministers to improve energy ef...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c9-10GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his response. He says that this is his first Committee stage in th...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c1-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 1A and 1C. The amendment may seem long but I can assure n...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c5GC (Link to this contribution) Thank you. I was expecting some of the Government’s Back-Benchers in their varying forms to jump up ...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c1GC (Link to this contribution) 1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Purpose of Part 1 (1) The principal purpose o...
Subjects
Cost effectiveness Conservation Competition Building regulations Housing Fees and charges Energy Insulation Heating Ministerial duties Procurement Ministers Standards Welsh Government Green deal scheme
Legislation
Energy Bill (HL) 2010-12
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