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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 26 January 2011, in the House of Lords.

Energy Bill [HL]

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Parliamentary proceeding
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724 c197-258GC 
Session
2010-12
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Department of Energy and Climate Change
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
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New clauses
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House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Noakes | 724 c200-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I have not moved my amendment, I cannot possibly withdraw it. I believe that the Minist...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c202GC (Link to this contribution) In response to the noble Baroness, I will not move the amendment, but I nevertheless tell her that w...
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Lord Grantchester | 724 c202GC (Link to this contribution) 21E: Clause 42, page 27, line 26, leave out subsection (3)
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c206GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 28B. It is welcome that the Green Deal is available to own...
Lord Teverson | 724 c210GC (Link to this contribution) 29: Before Clause 61, insert the following new Clause— ““Carbon neutral buildings and developments (...
Lord Marland | 724 c219GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was a magnificent debate. I am very interested to have had a history lesson. It is a ...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c252-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate and I thank all noble Lords from all parts of the ...
Lord Marland | 724 c249GC (Link to this contribution) I fear that the noble Baroness may be in a small minority on this. I have just sent someone to the L...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c201GC (Link to this contribution) 21D: Clause 42, page 27, line 24, after ““tenant”” insert ““or third party””
Baroness Maddock | 724 c201GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comments. I am very grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Whitty and Lord O...
Lord Marland | 724 c201GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is right: I think that that debate showed that there are gaps. That is why I pref...
Lord Marland | 724 c200GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness said that she had been put on the spot by a fellow Liberal Democrat Peer, which I...
Lord Teverson | 724 c200GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that. I welcome his statement that the suspension of payments will occur...
Lord Marland | 724 c199-200GC (Link to this contribution) I am obviously delaying our finishing the Green Deal Bill by adding some levity to the occasion. I w...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c199GC (Link to this contribution) I have noticed that the AV part of the Bill has long since been discussed. It is the other parts tha...
Baroness Northover | 724 c202GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for the amendments proposed to Clause 42. Amendment 21D is no...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c202GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her clarification and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendme...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c201-2GC (Link to this contribution) In moving the amendment, I shall speak also to Amendment 21E. Amendment 21D is a simple amendment fo...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c203GC (Link to this contribution) I have a question for the Minister on the Scottish section of the Bill. It was put by the Associatio...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c203GC (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the clear willingness of the noble Baroness to answer quickly. I wish to raise a very s...
Lord Grantchester | 724 c202-3GC (Link to this contribution) I beg the Committee’s forgiveness in getting the procedure wrong. I think that I have made the case ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 724 c202GC (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I must interrupt. If the noble Lord wishes a further response, he must move the ame...
Lord Whitty | 724 c203-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not expecting to be provoked to speak on this amendment or this clause, but I speak ...
Baroness Northover | 724 c204GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords for raising this matter, which gives me an opportunity to clarify thin...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c204-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the noble Baroness’s response, but perhaps I may ask for clarification on one poin...
Baroness Northover | 724 c205GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, indeed. I had hoped that I had made that clear. There are ongoing discussions and there have be...
Lord Marland | 724 c207GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for this valuable contribution which should be conside...
Lord Whitty | 724 c206-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in some social housing there is a district heating scheme. I am strongly in favour of dece...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c205GC (Link to this contribution) 28A: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause– ““Chapter 3A Social rented housing ““Review o...
Lord Marland | 724 c208GC (Link to this contribution) I will explain the Government’s thinking behind this to the noble Lord. This is a market-driven oppo...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c207-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed by the Minister’s response. Would he be prepared to assist in the drafting of some...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c208-9GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for his explanation and to my noble friend Lord O’Neill. However, I ...
Lord Teverson | 724 c210-1GC (Link to this contribution) I was glad to note in that last exchange that the Minister had moved far more towards the Opposition...
Lord Marland | 724 c209GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may clarify that for the noble Baroness. We intend to look at this matter as part of the r...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c209-10GC (Link to this contribution) There are a number of points to pursue on that. The most important point that the Minister made was ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c212-3GC (Link to this contribution) I have listened to this debate with some sense of nostalgia. From 1961 to 1963 I was chairman of the...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c211-2GC (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment, which I realise in nature is probing. One of the major reasons why we have...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c213-4GC (Link to this contribution) I yield to the noble Lord and any others, such as my noble friend Lord Deben. I am not as familiar a...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c213GC (Link to this contribution) May I ask the noble Lord about a simple point? Britain is not the only country that is building hous...
Lord Judd | 724 c214GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am tempted to follow the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, down memory lane, because my first pos...
Lord Deben | 724 c215-6GC (Link to this contribution) First, I must point out to the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, that we are committed to 2016 in any case. T...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c216-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Teverson, and also the comments made by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Oxburgh | 724 c217GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, strongly support this amendment. Listening to the informative discussion by noble ...
Bishop of Liverpool | 724 c217-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support this amendment. However, I congratulate the Government on the lead they hav...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c218-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a fascinating debate, not just about contemporary and immediate housing poli...
Lord Judd | 724 c220GC (Link to this contribution) 29ZA: Before Clause 61, insert the following new Clause— ““Proposals for local carbon budgets (1) Fo...
Lord Judd | 724 c220-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that every member of the Committee regards himself or herself as fortunate in havi...
Lord Teverson | 724 c219-20GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been seriously impressed by the debate. I actually enjoyed the history. I disagree ...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 724 c220GC (Link to this contribution) If Amendment 29ZA is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 29ZB because of pre-emption. Amendment 29ZA...
Lord Teverson | 724 c229GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am going to speak personally here: I welcome the passion of the noble Lord, Lord Judd, o...
Bishop of Liverpool | 724 c228GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the thrust of the amendments. I completely agree with the arguments that h...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c227-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to follow the noble Lord; I broadly support his amendment, along with the other two....
Lord Deben | 724 c225-7GC (Link to this contribution) It is most important that we should consider these three amendments as one because they are seeking ...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c222-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 29ZB and also about the general principle of local carbon budge...
Lord Judd | 724 c221-2GC (Link to this contribution) I will come to that. I genuinely have no doubts about his intellectual and, indeed, moral commitment...
Lord Marland | 724 c221GC (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord accepting my dinner date or not?
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c230GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord asked if the promoters could tell him what local authorities could do. I admit I am r...
Lord Teverson | 724 c230GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that. My comment would then be that that shows how important local au...
Lord Marland | 724 c230-1GC (Link to this contribution) This has been yet another challenging and interesting debate. I notice that the noble Lord, Lord O’N...
Lord Marland | 724 c233GC (Link to this contribution) I can answer that immediately. If local government is working with two or three suppliers, it may en...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c233GC (Link to this contribution) I would not want the noble Lord to think that we have any doubts about his commitment to reducing ca...
Baroness Northover | 724 c235GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a convenient moment for a short break, as is usual. Perhaps we can reconvene in 10...
Lord Judd | 724 c233-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank everyone who has participated in this debate. It has been a privilege for me to pr...
Lord Marland | 724 c232GC (Link to this contribution) The first point is that these amendments come under the section relating to the Green Deal, apart fr...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c231-2GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the Minister to clarify a couple of points. I am sad to say that I am disappointed...
Lord Marland | 724 c233GC (Link to this contribution) I am not denying any of this. In an ideal world, that is what we would do, but it is up to the Depar...
Lord Deben | 724 c232GC (Link to this contribution) It is not from the Labour Government that this comment comes. This amendment would impose something ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c235GC (Link to this contribution) 29A: Clause 61, page 42, line 23, leave out subsection (6)
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c235-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we move to Chapter 4 of Part 1 and the clauses which encourage the energy industries to do...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c236GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Committee and indeed the Minister should be grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin. T...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c239-41GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make a very similar point relating to Clause 61 but also to Chapter 4 as a whole...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c237-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in tabling my opposition to Clause 61 standing part of the Bill, I am delighted to see tha...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c237GC (Link to this contribution) I can only say that I am extremely grateful. However, before I withdraw the amendment, I want to rai...
Baroness Northover | 724 c236-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for tabling these amendments. They relate to the secondary legislati...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c244-5GC (Link to this contribution) Sorry, that was a mistake—I should not have mentioned it. I remember the Bill coming in, and I remem...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c244GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord O’Neill, is known for not always being terribly polite all the time, and we hav...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c241-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I missed the opening remarks of the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, but I have heard her spea...
Lord Whitty | 724 c245GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not against relying on statutory instruments to clarify the policy as we go down the ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c256GC (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, I have asked whether the noble Baroness intends to move the adjournment of this Commit...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c253GC (Link to this contribution) I am aware that we were a little critical of my noble friend in the previous debate but there is som...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c250-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am not clear which Bill the noble Lord was talking about. The Bill that I am talking about is the ...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c251GC (Link to this contribution) I have had the opportunity to read this document and the three paragraphs referring to the ECO. It g...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c253-4GC (Link to this contribution) 30: After Clause 64, insert the following new Clause— ““Advice on benefits of new or under-utilised ...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c254-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 30 would introduce a new clause into Chapter 4 of the Bill, which is about reduc...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c253GC (Link to this contribution) Is someone shouting? In Clause 63(4) there is a whole series of paragraphs where the words ““carbon ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c255GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a few things to say. The Minister has made comments about things that go on in the ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 724 c245-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have much sympathy with what has been said about the need to know more about what will b...
Lord Marland | 724 c247GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for these comments. Obviously I am a new boy and this is my first Bill, so I...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c247GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister leaves that point, we should put this in its proper context. When energy prices ...
Lord Marland | 724 c247-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for his intervention because he has just mentioned what I was about ...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c249GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister referred to an excellent summary that had been placed in the Library. Judging by the lo...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c249GC (Link to this contribution) I have now seen the document and it gives virtually no information.
Lord Marland | 724 c249GC (Link to this contribution) That is a matter of opinion. That is the opinion of the noble Baroness, but I find the document quit...
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 724 c249-50GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. He has gone some way to answering some of my questions, but not all...
Lord Marland | 724 c250GC (Link to this contribution) I am not concerned about scrutiny. Of course that is what SIs are for—to add on and improve legislat...
Baroness Northover | 724 c257GC (Link to this contribution) As the inexperienced Whip on this Bill, I think I need to apologise if we have overshot. Given that ...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c258GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry that it is my amendment that has caused some disruption to the rather smoother ...
Baroness Northover | 724 c258GC (Link to this contribution) I think that this may be a convenient—or perhaps less inconvenient—moment for the Committee to adjou...
Lord Teverson | 724 c256GC (Link to this contribution) I am not going to talk about the other Chamber, but with this Committee on the Energy Bill, if there...
Lord Marland | 724 c256GC (Link to this contribution) We started at 3.45 pm and we have been here for four hours. That is how long I was instructed that w...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c256GC (Link to this contribution) Well, my Lords, the Minister may assume that we are going to finish the amendment, but we are all en...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c257GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Davies, might have forgotten that on Wednesdays the Grand Committee normally si...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c199GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not underestimate the challenge presented by this legislation in terms of making it e...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 724 c198GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. In the past I may have conveyed the impression that all landlord...
Lord Whitty | 724 c198GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. As suggested by the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, this subsection...
Baroness Noakes | 724 c197GC (Link to this contribution) I have put my name to Amendment 21B in this group and I will not repeat the speech that I made linke...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c197GC (Link to this contribution) Members of the Committee will recognise that this is a similar amendment to one I moved on an earlie...
Baroness Maddock | 724 c197GC (Link to this contribution) 21A: Clause 40, page 26, line 4, leave out subsection (1)
Lord Skelmersdale | 724 c197GC (Link to this contribution) I have to inform the Committee that in Clause 40 if Amendment 21A is agreed, I cannot call Amendment...
Lord Skelmersdale | 724 c197GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn as ...
Lord Marland | 724 c199GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, welcome back; it is very nice to see such a full contribution from noble Lords. I thank al...
Lord Teverson | 724 c199GC (Link to this contribution) Can we take a vote on that, Lord Chairman?
Subjects
Conservation Housing Energy Energy supply Heating Landlords Local government Pollution control Private rented housing Standards Social rented housing Repairs and maintenance Tenants Terminology Green deal scheme
Legislation
Energy Bill (HL) 2010-12
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