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Debate on Tuesday, 21 June 2011, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Strathclyde. The answering member was Baroness Royall of Blaisdon.

House of Lords: Reform

Lords debate on motion to take note of the Government's proposals for reform of the House of Lords set out in Cm 8077. (1st day). Debate adjourned. (Motion by Baroness Boothroyd not moved).

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
728 c1155-74, 1184-250 
Session
2010-12
Department
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Strasburger | 728 c1220-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a very great honour indeed to be making my first speech in your Lordships’ House. I ...
Baroness Boothroyd | 728 c1250 (Link to this contribution) That, notwithstanding the Government’s proposals for the House of Lords set out in Cm 8077, which am...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 728 c1250 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that this debate be now adjourned until tomorrow. Motion agreed. Motion Tabled by
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1245 (Link to this contribution) That is fantastic. I fought eight elections and lost the lot.
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1245 (Link to this contribution) Of course. She is a highly popular Member of this House and a highly respected person. Yet it is eas...
Baroness Boothroyd | 728 c1245 (Link to this contribution) I fought six elections before being elected and 14 after being elected.
Lord Reay | 728 c1247-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have always been sceptical about the significance of the famous vote when the House of C...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 728 c1248-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, 41 down and 63 still to go. It is hard enough at the tail end of the first day’s debate to...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1245 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was gaining expertise in another field at the time. An expertise is a fine thing but eve...
Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 728 c1245-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, whatever the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, may say about the speech of my noble fri...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 728 c1167 (Link to this contribution) Certainly I accept that, but I do not accept that it follows that the Parliament Acts will somehow b...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 728 c1167-8 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the noble Lord might reflect on a more recent example, because his argument is that...
Lord Selsdon | 728 c1169 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has only recently joined the House—
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 728 c1169 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am terribly sorry, but I have taken a number of interruptions and I have had to answer t...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 728 c1169 (Link to this contribution) So be it. Perhaps I may make one more point concerning the conventions of the House. If a future Par...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 728 c1169 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suggest to my noble friend that the feeling of the House is that he should conclude. I h...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 728 c1168 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps the noble Lord will forgive me, but this is the 20th time that he has referred to ...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 728 c1168 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what happens about any referendum in Scotland is a matter for the future. I have no doubt ...
Lord Elton | 728 c1169 (Link to this contribution) I know that the noble Lord has taken some injury time for interruptions, but he is now 50 per cent b...
Baroness Boothroyd | 728 c1172-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the draft Bill before us confirms my worst fears. Never in my experience has an institutio...
Lord Wakeham | 728 c1184-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like many noble Lords in this House, I have had my say on Lords reform many times in the p...
Bishop of Leicester | 728 c1170-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the longest day may be an apt moment to embark on this new stage of what the Leader of the...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1188-90 (Link to this contribution) No, but in 1867. The third argument, which was put so powerfully—indeed, in bloodcurdling terms—by ...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1188 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the noble and learned Lord; in my enthusiasm to get at the arguments, I att...
Lord Morris of Aberavon | 728 c1186-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, although I have never spoken before in a debate on the reform of this House—I nearly refra...
Lord Wakeham | 728 c1185-6 (Link to this contribution) I would say two things to the noble Lord. First, I am not absolutely sure that he is completely righ...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1185 (Link to this contribution) I am listening to the noble Lord very carefully indeed. May I ask him to consider this thought? Ther...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1190-1 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps noble Lords will forgive me, I will finish now. I have already strained my time but I ask fo...
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 728 c1193-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there have been several plans for the demise of your Lordships’ House over the past centur...
Viscount Astor | 728 c1191-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Ashdown, has just given a speech that I am sure will be used by every...
Lord Howe of Aberavon | 728 c1194-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the tone with which the noble Lord has just concluded his most interesting address reflect...
Lord Grocott | 728 c1196 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, those of us—and there are many in this House at the moment—who have been through the vario...
Lord Tyler | 728 c1196 (Link to this contribution) We were told earlier that the noble Lord and his colleagues are absolutely united in opposition to t...
Lord Grocott | 728 c1196-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the alternative vote was put to the country—and I suspect that the situation would be...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1198 (Link to this contribution) How can I resist? I ask the noble Lord the following question yet again, because he makes a lot of i...
Lord Grocott | 728 c1198-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord tried that intervention once before and it did not work then. I shall answe...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 728 c1199-200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I were to spend my eight minutes talking about the proposals in my Bill, to which frequ...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 728 c1206-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall follow in a little while a certain amount of what the noble Lord, Lord Wills, has ...
Lord Wills | 728 c1204-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in following such a magisterial speech by the noble Lord, Lord Lawson, I am even more cons...
Lord Lawson of Blaby | 728 c1202-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree entirely with everything that the noble Lord, Lord Luce, has said except his offer...
Lord Luce | 728 c1201-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it was Oliver Cromwell, I think, who abolished the Chamber in 1649. It is not a particular...
Lord Judd | 728 c1207 (Link to this contribution) Like many others in this House, I have immense respect and regard for the noble Baroness, but she sl...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 728 c1208 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I find it difficult to get up, perhaps I may address that problem with the noble Lord o...
Lord St John of Fawsley | 728 c1209-10 (Link to this contribution) There is no need to be quite so enthusiastic. In view of my humility and generosity, perhaps a faint...
Lord Bilimoria | 728 c1214-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the beauty of Britain is that we have the best of both worlds. We have centuries of histor...
Baroness Noakes | 728 c1213-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Lee of Trafford, with whom I completely ag...
Lord Hoyle | 728 c1218-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is interesting to follow the noble Lord, Lord Jopling, particularly as he has been a Ch...
Lord Jopling | 728 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, ended her speech by talking about the long grass. A good ...
Lord Lee of Trafford | 728 c1212-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have had the pleasure and the privilege of serving for 13 years in the other place and n...
Bishop of Exeter | 728 c1221-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of the whole House, I welcome the noble Lord, Lord Strasburger, and congratulate...
Lord Low of Dalston | 728 c1224-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, debate on House of Lords reform is apt to be somewhat polarised and the present one has no...
Viscount Younger of Leckie | 728 c1226-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I attach my colours to the wall, next to so many of your Lordships’ colours, on the side o...
Lord Cormack | 728 c1239-41 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a very great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay. This has been a qui...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 728 c1237-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, being here is at times an almost overwhelming privilege, and brings with it a great respon...
Lord Dobbs | 728 c1235-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow my old friend the noble Lord, Lord Sharkey. We have share...
Lord Sharkey | 728 c1233-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, and the words ““dinosaur”” and ““roa...
Baroness Quin | 728 c1231-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I confess that originally I was tempted not to take part in this debate because, even duri...
Lord Naseby | 728 c1229-31 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in preparing for today’s debate, on Saturday I read the Financial Times and the Leader of ...
Lord Craig of Radley | 728 c1228-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, along with many others in your Lordships’ House and beyond, I strongly oppose the proposed...
Lord Cormack | 728 c1245 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend should remember that the noble Baroness was elected many times to the House of Commo...
Lord Whitty | 728 c1241-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may come as some very slight relief to the noble Lord the Leader of the House that I di...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1243-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Royall, referred to the Liberal Democrats’ murky waters whose dep...
Lord Strathclyde | 728 c1155-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that all will agree that this is a special occasion. The House and the Galleries...
Lord Strathclyde | 728 c1155 (Link to this contribution) That this House takes note of the Government’s proposals for reform of the House of Lords set out in...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 728 c1161 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for giving way, but I cannot resist asking her, what are the differences ...
Lord Strathclyde | 728 c1157-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the greatest respect to the growl of approval that I hear around the House, I think t...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 728 c1162-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the noble Lord were to read the White Paper again and reconsider it, he would find that...
Lord Cormack | 728 c1166 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Does he agree with the president of the Li...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 728 c1166 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the draft Bill soon to be considered by the Joint Committee starts from the proposition th...
Lord Sewel | 728 c1167 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that the whole justification and rationale for the Parliament Acts was co...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 728 c1167 (Link to this contribution) I propose to address that argument during this speech, but I do not agree with it. I will set out my...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1162 (Link to this contribution) I have listened very carefully to the noble Baroness, but, with great respect to her, it seems to me...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 728 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have explained that I fully accept that there are splits behind me, and everyone knows t...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1162 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the noble Baroness understands the difference between the two.
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 728 c1168-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I believed that the people did not understand the Liberal Democrat concept of democracy...
Baroness D'Souza | 728 c1164-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a document that we should take seriously. It is, after all, signed by the Prime Mi...
Lord St John of Fawsley | 728 c1208-9 (Link to this contribution) Forgive my intervening in this interesting dialogue. I admire your Lordships’ stamina in having sat ...
Lord Sewel | 728 c1210-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is the first time that I have followed the noble Lord, Lord St John of Fawsley, in a de...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 728 c1159-61 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an important occasion. It is far from the first time that this House has considere...
Subjects
Disciplinary proceedings Elections House of Lords House of Commons Disqualification House of Lords composition Electoral systems Misconduct Offenders Powers Public appointments Peers Reform Single transferable vote
Legislation
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill
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