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Debate on Wednesday, 22 June 2011, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Strathclyde. The answering member was Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.

House of Lords: Reform

Lords debate on motion to take note of the Government's proposals for reform of the House of Lords set out in Cm 8077. (2nd day). Agreed to on question. (Motion by Baroness Boothroyd not moved).

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
728 c1251-304, 1314-80 
Session
2010-12
Department
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Higgins | 728 c1263 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am conscious of time and I can only say I agree 1,000 per cent with what my noble friend...
Lord Higgins | 728 c1261-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one of the charms of this place is that one can never tell what is going to happen next. H...
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Lord Ryder of Wensum | 728 c1263 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend spoke with great clarity about the disgraceful continuation of this Government in en...
Lord Goodhart | 728 c1255-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when she was speaking yesterday, the noble Baroness, Lady Royall of Blaisdon, said approxi...
Lord Grenfell | 728 c1253-5 (Link to this contribution) I know that those who do not share my views would wish that that was so. I think I would have been s...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 728 c1261 (Link to this contribution) I am very confused. I am not being wicked about this, but I did not understand what the noble Lord w...
Lord Desai | 728 c1261 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that any proposal to have an elected House involves abolishing this House and replacing ...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 728 c1258-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a privilege to speak after the noble Lords, Lord Armstrong of Ilminster, Lord Norton...
Lord Desai | 728 c1259-61 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, over the weekend I completed 20 years in your Lordships’ House, so I am, by the Goodhart c...
Lord Strathclyde | 728 c1251 (Link to this contribution) Moved by That this House takes note of the Government’s proposals for reform of the House of Lords...
Lord Norton of Louth | 728 c1253 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that additional, very pertinent question. Given the time limit, I had to condense ...
Lord Peston | 728 c1253 (Link to this contribution) Could I ask the noble Lord why he did not include, in an excellent speech, one other question that w...
Lord Grenfell | 728 c1253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, following the noble Lord, Lord Norton of Louth, I am tempted to utter a loud ““hear, hear”...
Lord Framlingham | 728 c1314-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, given the time limits on speeches, it is tempting to try to speak in a staccato shorthand ...
Baroness Goudie | 728 c1315-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a radical. I believe in parliamentary reform—of both Houses. Scrutiny of legislation ...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 728 c1316-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I read the Government’s White Paper, I was struck by how extraordinarily unbalanced i...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1301 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may be helpful to the House if I indicate that, after we have heard from the noble Baro...
Viscount Bridgeman | 728 c1301-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret that yesterday I was unable to be present for a number of contributions from your...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 728 c1303-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I think of the sheer value and quality that your Lordships bring to our legislative p...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1304 (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient point to adjourn the debate until after Oral Questions and the First Readin...
Baroness Hooper | 728 c1318-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her intervention. I was about to congratulate her on the style and br...
Baroness Boothroyd | 728 c1318 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Baroness, but I am not in favour of the status quo. I am in favour o...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 728 c1328-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am number 82 in the list of speakers in the debate and I agree with my predecessor who h...
Bishop of Chichester | 728 c1330-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, by any criterion, in our bicameral system your Lordships’ House is more representative tha...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 728 c1326 (Link to this contribution) I find it very easy to respond to the noble Lord’s intervention because, in his case, he would certa...
Lord Stewartby | 728 c1326-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one of the problems of speaking fairly far down the batting list is that most of what need...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 728 c1324-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me say at once that I acknowledge how complex a task it must have been to put this Bil...
Lord Trefgarne | 728 c1325 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord take a little care in denigrating the potential candidates for an elected Chambe...
Lord Lucas | 728 c1321-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a complete pain to be speaking after the noble Lord, Lord Howarth. He said so much t...
Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate | 728 c1323-4 (Link to this contribution) As a former senior police officer, noble Lords will be pleased to hear that I do not intend to detai...
Marquess of Lothian | 728 c1332-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the greatest respect to my noble friend the Leader of the House, it could be said tha...
Lord Elton | 728 c1336 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble and learned Lord aware of the fascinating fact that this House was more than 50 per cen...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 728 c1336-7 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that that answers the point that I am against appointment by the Prime Minister. I wou...
Lord Gilbert | 728 c1337 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble and learned Lord could enlighten us as to how a Prime Minister should proceed when...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 728 c1337 (Link to this contribution) I am not altogether clear as to the relevance of that point to what I was saying. I am not suggestin...
Lord Gilbert | 728 c1337-8 (Link to this contribution) If I might help the noble and learned Lord, I heard him say that he was against any appointments to ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 728 c1338 (Link to this contribution) Of course the Prime Minister can choose the Government. There is an argument, which we have already ...
Viscount Eccles | 728 c1338-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in following the noble and learned Lord I regret to say that I have no solution to what sh...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 728 c1335-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is very difficult to follow a speech such as we have just heard. I say at once that I a...
Lord True | 728 c1348-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, and I shall disapp...
Baroness Berridge | 728 c1343-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in this debate with considerable reluctance, because I, too, was concerned about t...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 728 c1346-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after 10 years spent chained to the ministerial Bench, I cannot remember ever uttering an ...
Lord Paul | 728 c1353-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this debate is both long overdue and very timely. In this day and age, it is abundantly cl...
Lord True | 728 c1349-50 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that that might appeal to many here. As regards the criticisms that have been made about a...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 728 c1350-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in the minority in the House and on the speakers list, although I am much comforted b...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 728 c1343 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the noble Lord, but he has exceeded the guidance time.
Lord Scott of Foscote | 728 c1343 (Link to this contribution) I have exceeded my time by a minute and I apologise for that. I entirely support the introduction of...
Lord Scott of Foscote | 728 c1341-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is really very little to say that has not already been said very eloquently by those...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 728 c1270 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is that not an argument in favour of that?
Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 728 c1268-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two preliminary points. First, in eight minutes it is inevitable that one can touch...
Lord Eames | 728 c1267-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at this stage of any marathon, aching limbs are foremost. I regret to say at this stage of...
Lord Rodgers of Quarry Bank | 728 c1265-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I upset many of my noble friends on these Liberal Democrat Benches, I am sorry, but I r...
Lord Haskel | 728 c1263-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Higgins, has given us perhaps the only argument in favour of this Bil...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 728 c1276 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, agree that the difference is that MEPs are elected to handle ...
Lord Waddington | 728 c1273-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I seem to have travelled a rather different road to the one travelled by many noble Lords,...
Baroness Brinton | 728 c1275-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yesterday my noble friend Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon made arguments for legitimacy ...
Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 728 c1271 (Link to this contribution) It may be but not from the other House’s point of view. I recognise what the Leader of the House sai...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 728 c1271-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord MacGregor, who is my old boss from m...
Lord Lang of Monkton | 728 c1277-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not participate in any of the earlier debates over the years on the reform of this H...
Baroness Brinton | 728 c1276-7 (Link to this contribution) The point I am trying to make is that it is not purely about jurisdiction, it is about the practical...
Lord Elton | 728 c1280-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it concerns me that this debate is being conducted, and indeed reported, as though it were...
Lord Elder | 728 c1279-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I follow the noble Lord, Lord Lang, feeling suitably put in my place, because I have form ...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 728 c1284-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a large number of Members, perhaps even 100 or so, in this longest day of the year debate,...
Lord Judd | 728 c1282-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a challenge to follow that learned contribution by the noble Lord, Lord Elton. The ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 728 c1285-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Williamson, in this debate and to pi...
Lord Elton | 728 c1286 (Link to this contribution) Does that not exactly endorse my claim that this is part of a war of Government against Parliament? ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 728 c1286-8 (Link to this contribution) Indeed it is; I entirely agree with my noble friend, who I thought made an absolutely splendid speec...
Lord Touhig | 728 c1288-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is always a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord. Whether one agrees with him or not...
Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 728 c1292-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it was on 17 May that the Government published their White Paper and draft Bill and, by ha...
Baroness O'Cathain | 728 c1290-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yesterday’s debate—plus all the debates that we have had since I joined the House—confirms...
Earl of Glasgow | 728 c1297-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am somewhat embarrassed. As a Liberal Democrat, I believed myself to be a member of the ...
Lord Eden of Winton | 728 c1296-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not at all surprised that this debate has been conducted with such restraint and mode...
Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 728 c1293-4 (Link to this contribution) I think I may have. I found the Labour Party quite difficult to support in the 1970s and 1980s, as, ...
Lord Marlesford | 728 c1300-1 (Link to this contribution) I never attempt to write editorials for other papers. Meanwhile, I support the call for a moratoriu...
Lord Marlesford | 728 c1299-300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the road to parliamentary hell is paved with good intentions translated into sloppily draf...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 728 c1300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would be grateful if between now and the report from the committee scrutinising the Bill...
Lord McNally | 728 c1376 (Link to this contribution) You have to be patient. You are behaving as you used to do in the House of Commons. That is why wind...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 728 c1376 (Link to this contribution) While my noble friend is very entertaining, does he plan to answer some of the serious questions tha...
Lord McNally | 728 c1375-6 (Link to this contribution) I never said that this Chamber should have a right of veto; I said it had a right to say no. There i...
Lord Grocott | 728 c1375 (Link to this contribution) I knew that in the first five minutes of his speech the Minister would be Mr Nice. He has now turned...
Lord McNally | 728 c1375 (Link to this contribution) You will get your full two hours if you carry on like this. [Laughter.]
Lord McNally | 728 c1375 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord, Lord Cunningham, in his place? No, he is not. When I was on the Cunningham commit...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 728 c1375 (Link to this contribution) I remember well the noble Lord, Lord McNally, standing as leader of his party in your Lordships’ Hou...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 728 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for him raising this issue again. The purpose of producing a White Paper is ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 728 c1371-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am always grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, for reminding the House of my heroic e...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 728 c1372-3 (Link to this contribution) I believe it to be inevitable that if we are to have two elected Chambers there has to be a codifica...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 728 c1372 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am listening carefully to the noble Lord. Since his own party proposed a fully elected C...
Lord McNally | 728 c1373-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had a boyhood dream that one day I would stand at a Dispatch Box as a government Ministe...
Earl of Caithness | 728 c1362-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the past two days of debate have been rather different from our previous debates as we hav...
Lord Kakkar | 728 c1365-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first do no harm. That is the guiding principle in my professional life as a surgeon. The ...
Baroness Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde | 728 c1364-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the sad issue of the debate over the past two days has been that, rather than having a con...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 728 c1369-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord said that we should all represent something. I suppose that I represent the...
Lord Selsdon | 728 c1368-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I should explain why I am speaking from this Bench. It is partly because I have a ...
Lord Lucas | 728 c1360 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, accept that whatever way I vote today and whatever I think of his s...
Lord Tyler | 728 c1360 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend, but there is an additional reason. In fact the average is not...
Lord Higgins | 728 c1360 (Link to this contribution) In fact, the White Paper comes up with the very strange proposition that the figure should be around...
Lord Tyler | 728 c1359-60 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord had read his own White Paper, let alone the Government’s White Paper, he would kno...
Baroness Valentine | 728 c1361-2 (Link to this contribution) This is a subject I tackle hesitantly, given the weight of discussion which precedes me, but I want ...
Lord Tyler | 728 c1360-1 (Link to this contribution) I am embarrassed by this support from all sides. It is an unaccustomed experience. I hope that this ...
Lord Tyler | 728 c1358-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I promise most sincerely that I will not follow the noble Lord, Lord Gilbert, in any respe...
Lord Gilbert | 728 c1356-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I propose to address most of my remarks today to those Members of your Lordships' House wh...
Lord Lyell | 728 c1354-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in my short career as a cricketer I learned one thing: if one is number 95 on the batting ...
Baroness Boothroyd | 728 c1378 (Link to this contribution) This Government have done so many U-turns, they could do another one.
Lord McNally | 728 c1378 (Link to this contribution) Of course we would. First, there are no proposals to abolish this House. Secondly, the difference be...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 728 c1378 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will skip to my own defence because ultimately, while I agree that it was too late and r...
Lord McNally | 728 c1378 (Link to this contribution) A most unusual intervention from a Cross-Bencher—you are lucky that we do not have a Speaker. I did ...
Baroness Boothroyd | 728 c1378 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Deputy Leader would allow me to bring some semblance of order into this very in...
Lord McNally | 728 c1378-80 (Link to this contribution) More mea culpas. The fact is, as well, that one of the benefits for those who like some aspects of t...
Baroness Boothroyd | 728 c1380 (Link to this contribution) That, notwithstanding the Government’s proposals for the House of Lords set out in Cm 8077, which am...
Lord McNally | 728 c1377 (Link to this contribution) We are sending the matter to a committee that will take wide evidence. I hear my noble friend saying...
Lord Wills | 728 c1377 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord mentioned my name, I would be grateful if I could intervene. I want to be clear on...
Lord McNally | 728 c1378 (Link to this contribution) Is there anybody I have not insulted yet? Please form an orderly queue. In among the insults, there ...
Lord Cormack | 728 c1376 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble friend, but what does he say to the statement made earlier today that...
Lord McNally | 728 c1376 (Link to this contribution) All three parties had it in. I have to say that that is a kind of car salesman’s excuse. Let me make...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 728 c1256-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was gratified and flattered to hear the noble Lord the Leader of the House, speaking on ...
Lord Norton of Louth | 728 c1251-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my name is one of those being put forward to serve on the Joint Committee, I shall not ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 728 c1319-21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, coming in to bat at number 75 it is tempting to have a bit of a slog but I shall be my usu...
Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 728 c1339-41 (Link to this contribution) Several people have said that it is very difficult at this stage in the debate to say something new....
Lord Cobbold | 728 c1294-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am one of the many speakers who believe that the draft Bill we are debating today is not...
Lord McNally | 728 c1375 (Link to this contribution) This again from a Minister who produced a White Paper that produced no such debate. They sat on refo...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 728 c1359 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord answer the question which his colleague the noble Lord, Lord Ashdown, failed to a...
Lord McNally | 728 c1376-7 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not taking any more interventions. Much has been made in this debate of the recommendation...
Baroness Hooper | 728 c1317-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having been a Member of your Lordships' House for 26 years, I have had almost equal experi...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 728 c1334-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a particular pleasure for me to follow the excellent speech of my friend—and he is m...
Lord Tyler | 728 c1371 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether the noble Lord would like to comment on how precisely that clause di...
Subjects
Elections House of Lords House of Commons Disqualification House of Lords composition Electoral systems Misconduct Offenders Powers Public appointments Peers Reform Single transferable vote Joint Committee on the Draft House of Lords Reform Bill Length of service
Legislation
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill
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