Debate on bill on Tuesday, 18 October 2011, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Anelay of St Johns.
Education Bill
Education Bill. Lords report stage first day. Clauses 1-5, 13 and 18 considered. New clauses considered. Debate adjourned.
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- 731 c165-226, 241-80
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- 2010-12
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c204 (Link to this contribution) 7: Clause 2, page 4, line 32, leave out sub-paragraph (ii)
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c204 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House. Division on Amendment 7 Contents 171; Not-Conte...
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Lord Low of Dalston | 731 c207 (Link to this contribution) 15: Clause 4, page 8, line 22, at end insert— ““( ) Regulations must make provision that if a pupil ...
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Lord Low of Dalston | 731 c207-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 24 to 28. I shall speak as briefly as I can because these...
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Lord Storey | 731 c197 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not going to speak in this debate, but so many important comments have been made tha...
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Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 731 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to speak, but it was in hearing the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, talk a...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c198-202 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may start with some general comments about some of the themes that have emerged. I agree w...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c202-4 (Link to this contribution) We have had a good debate on this set of amendments and once again we have explored some of the item...
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Baroness Warnock | 731 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the amendment introduced by my noble friend Lord Low. There is often a ...
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Lord Touhig | 731 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Low, who has made a powerful case articula...
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Lord Peston | 731 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments, but I am bound to say it is with a heavy heart. I will explain...
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Baroness Morris of Yardley | 731 c194-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendments—in particular Amendment 10 —and to say how much I...
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Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 731 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to comment briefly on Amendments 8 and 10, and to give my warm support to Amendment...
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Baroness Benjamin | 731 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my noble friend Lady Walmsley said, I would like to pick up the subject of searching, a...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c189-91 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to speak to my Amendment 8 to Clause 2 and Amendment 13 to Clause 3. Amendment 8 ad...
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Baroness Massey of Darwen | 731 c191 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is indeed a complex issue, as illustrated in the previous speeches. It was debated ex...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c186-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our amendments cover training for schools in the awareness of issues of pupil dignity and ...
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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 731 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an extremely interesting debate about a very serious subject, which has enco...
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Lord Elton | 731 c196 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since we are on the subject of context in these amendments, I rise very briefly to say how...
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Lord Cormack | 731 c195 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened to this debate with mounting unease, concern and sadness. It is just over ...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c176 (Link to this contribution) If noble Lords will accept the question put to me by the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, I will answer it...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c176-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been an extremely good debate to kick off Report stage. Like others, I thank the no...
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Lord Northbourne | 731 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I always get a bit nervous. It makes me feel a bit of a bore when everyone is so kind as t...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c179 (Link to this contribution) 4: Clause 1, page 2, line 8, at end insert— ““( ) Regulations under subsections (1) of (2) may not, ...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c179-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 4 relates to the early education provision for three and four year-olds and now ...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c181-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I can give the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes, some comfort on Amendment 4 because I ...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c182-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear from the discussions that we had earlier in Committee and the exchange today t...
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Lord Northbourne | 731 c182 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would at this point offer a brief thought on this amendment, which I do not entirely sup...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c185-6 (Link to this contribution) 6: Clause 2, page 4, line 26, at end insert— ““( ) In subsection (1)(b), at the end insert ““and has...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and have a few brief comments in response to his contri...
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Lord Elton | 731 c170 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her reference to early assessment, but I fear that...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 731 c171-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like other noble Lords, I should like to pay tribute to my noble friend Lord Northbourne f...
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Earl of Listowel | 731 c173-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be very brief, in part because I have an amendment on a similar theme to this in th...
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Lord Storey | 731 c170 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remember that when I was training to be a teacher one of my education lecturers, Mrs Mes...
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Lord Peston | 731 c171 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are all indebted to the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, for raising the subject today, as...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 731 c176 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Earl will forgive me, on Report people may speak only once to each amendment.
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Earl of Listowel | 731 c176 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness sits down, can she say whether she thinks it important that there is a goo...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c174-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall make a few brief comments on these amendments. I start by commending the noble Lor...
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Earl of Listowel | 731 c176 (Link to this contribution) I thought it was the case that one could ask a brief question before someone sits down. I do apologi...
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Lord Eden of Winton | 731 c167-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much agree with what my noble friend Lady Walmsley has just said. I hesitate to dis...
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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 731 c169-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the amendments of my noble friend Lord Northbourne, w...
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Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 731 c165 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I invite noble Lords to leave the Chamber quietly. The noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, is re...
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Lord Northbourne | 731 c165 (Link to this contribution) 1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Foundation Stage During a child’s first five ...
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Lord Northbourne | 731 c165-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the House as I did not hear the amendment being called. In Committee, I rec...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c167 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much commend the objectives of the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne. ...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c250 (Link to this contribution) 35: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause— ““Locally based cooperation and collaboration T...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c250 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may complete my remarks. I absolutely agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of Yardle...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c251-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment relates to Clause 6 which repeals the duty on secondary schools to co-opera...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c249-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for her reply. We would all agree with some of her open...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 731 c249 (Link to this contribution) These are draft guidance documents at the moment. We hear the strength of feeling that has been expr...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 731 c250 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Baroness but I am double tasking as a government spokesman and a Whip today...
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Baroness Morris of Yardley | 731 c250 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness concludes, will she also reflect that essentially what we are setting in p...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c248 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister giving way. Will she consider this point? She is stressing that the o...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c248 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness sits down, I want to clarify when she is proposing now. We were sent a cop...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 731 c248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take the point the noble Baroness makes. However, we have to accept that schools take ma...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c243-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our Amendment 34 is similar to the one so ably outlined by the noble Baroness. It is a req...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c241-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment seeks to ensure that if a school wishes to keep a child in detention after ...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c241 (Link to this contribution) 33: Clause 5, page 10, line 16, after ““Wales”” insert ““or a pupil at a school in England whose par...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c224 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I gave notice that if the noble Lord, Lord Low, withdrew his amendment, I would take the o...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 731 c245-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is clear evidence that good standards of behaviour are vital if children are to rece...
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Baroness Brinton | 731 c245 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support Amendment 33, which I have added my name to. I will not rehearse the argume...
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Lord Storey | 731 c244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, used the right words—““common sense””. I cannot understand...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c223 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his response. On the issue of the pupil’s voice, I ...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c220-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me start by talking about supporting pupils to participate appropriately in the exclus...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c214 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Touhig, powerfully argued, we know that exclusion disproportionate...
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Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 731 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the movement that there has been on the principles of Amendments 19 and 29 becau...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c215-8 (Link to this contribution) The idea behind the trials—I think it is based on what has already been happening in Cambridgeshire—...
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Lord Elton | 731 c214 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Lord forgive me as I may have misunderstood him? Did I understand him to sa...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c218 (Link to this contribution) 16: Clause 4, page 8, line 28, at end insert— ““( ) requiring the responsible body to ensure that th...
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Lord Low of Dalston | 731 c218 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to all those who have spoken, particularly to the Minister for his very...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c220 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to briefly speak to Amendment 31 in this group. This is a very simple amendment whi...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c218-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 16 and to speak to all the other amendments in the group, apart f...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c211-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak to Amendments 17, 19, 21 and 29, and also support Amendment 15 and Amendments 24 t...
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Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 731 c271-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, despite the late hour I think that this debate should not be curtailed, because it is so i...
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Lord Black of Brentwood | 731 c272-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House for terribly long but I would be grateful if I can say a...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c273 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we had a very good debate about this issue in Committee, and, although the hour is late, w...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c273-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend the Minister, but he is wrong about these statistics. The JC...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c274 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will look at the figures again in the light of what my noble friend said. I would not wa...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c274 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask my noble friend a question. I apologise and will make it very quick. Can he tell u...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c274-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, getting an accurate picture of the extent of the problem is difficult. I accept the point ...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 731 c269 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting my noble friend but he will be aware that the convention of the House i...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c270-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have some amendments in this group. Like my noble friend Lord Phillips of Sudbury, I wel...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c269-70 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the House for overrunning the conventional time. I suppose it is because I take such ...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c261-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think I have that in my back pocket, but I will rootle in my clothing after this ...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c263 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Storey, made a powerful case on the issue of consistency, and I think...
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Lord Storey | 731 c260 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this matter is very important and I very much look forward to what the Minister has to say...
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Lord Knight of Weymouth | 731 c261 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Jones on this issue. In respect of the non-safeguarding iss...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c264-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not want to oppose any of the amendments that the Minister has tabled but I want to s...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c265-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is attached to all the government amendments bar one. As the Minister said, these ...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c263 (Link to this contribution) 42: Clause 13, page 20, line 16, after second ““is”” insert ““or may be””
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c263-4 (Link to this contribution) I should like to speak briefly to this and the other government amendments which make up the majorit...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c259-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the Bill stands, where a teacher may have been dismissed due to serious misconduct or d...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c259 (Link to this contribution) 38: Clause 8, page 12, line 26, at end insert— ““( ) Where subsection (1) applies, the employer must...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c278 (Link to this contribution) 49: Clause 13, page 21, line 16, at end insert— ““(11A) The restrictions in subsection (3) also ceas...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c278-80 (Link to this contribution) 52: Clause 13, page 21, line 38, at end insert— ““( ) For the purposes of this section, proceedings ...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c278 (Link to this contribution) 48: Clause 13, page 21, line 16, at end insert ““, or (c) the person who is the subject of the alleg...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c278 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the light of what the Minister said—if I can put it this way without seeming to be patr...
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Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 731 c277 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should point out to the House, if I may, that the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of Sudbury, ...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c277-8 (Link to this contribution) 43: Clause 13, page 20, line 22, leave out ““an appropriate criminal court”” and insert ““a magistra...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c276-7 (Link to this contribution) I did not say that a parent who has concerns would have to go to judicial review. I am arguing that ...
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Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 731 c275-6 (Link to this contribution) In making that comment, does the Minister feel that a teacher cannot take that action but that a par...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c275 (Link to this contribution) I am aware of that, and we have discussed that point before. I know that is the case, and I defer to...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c275 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is surely aware that if anybody whipped up, as he put it, a campaign that was untrue, t...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c252-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand the intention of the amendment, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes of S...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c258-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened to my noble friend Lord Puttnam with a great deal of sadness as he described th...
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Lord Puttnam | 731 c255-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support both amendments in this group. I will not go into detail because they ha...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c254-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill abolishes the General Teaching Council for England. However, in abolishing it, th...
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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 731 c254 (Link to this contribution) 36: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Register of teachers The Secretary of State s...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I welcome the information he has given us about te...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c258 (Link to this contribution) That sounds a very sensible suggestion. I will need to check where we have got to on developing the ...
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Baroness Walmsley | 731 c257-8 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask my noble friend a question. Will these two databases be linked? I can imagine a he...
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Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 731 c256 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Puttnam. I find it very difficult to support this part o...
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 731 c256-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as always, I listened to the arguments made by the noble Lord, Lord Puttnam, with a great ...
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Baroness Benjamin | 731 c174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, further to what the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, said, I would like to add play therapy to...
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Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 731 c244-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I recognised that there would be a number of reasoned arguments and I stand with my collea...
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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 731 c224 (Link to this contribution) 17: Clause 4, page 8, line 30, at end insert— ““( ) requiring the responsible body to consider a rep...
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