Debate on Wednesday, 15 July 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Grayling. The answering members were Angela Eagle, Baroness Coffey and Nicholas Dakin.

English Votes for English Laws

Motion that this House has considered the matter of English votes for English laws. Proceedings interrupted. Motion that, at this day's sitting, the general debate on English votes for English laws, in the name of the Prime Minister, may be proceeded with, though opposed, until ten o'clock. Agreed to on question. Proceedings resumed.

Secondary information

Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 598 cc933-1050
Session: 2015-16
Department: Leader of the House of Commons
Procedure: Business motions
Chamber / Committee: House of Commons chamber
Related items: General Debate on English Votes for English Laws
Tuesday, 14 July 2015
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions: Lord Grayling | 598 c936 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,
That this House has considered the matter of English votes for English laws....; David Davis | 598 c936 (Link to this contribution)
I commend my right hon. Friend for amending the timetable on this matter, which is serious and im...; Lord Grayling | 598 c936 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to do that. We have already indicated previous Bills that would have been affected by ...; Angela Eagle | 598 c936 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his clarification about voting after what will be the next d...; Lord Grayling | 598 c937 (Link to this contribution)
First, I never intended to have a debate where amendments were excluded; that was never suggested...; Philip Davies | 598 c937 (Link to this contribution)
May I suggest a novel solution to this problem? When the Scottish National party decides to vote ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c937 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an interesting point, and he will no doubt argue that when we come to review...; Graham Allen | 598 c937 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Leader of the House for extending the amount of time in which we can consider this is...; Lord Grayling | 598 c937 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the hon. Gentleman is misunderstanding the process that I have put in place. The mea...; William Cash | 598 c937 (Link to this contribution)
Does my right hon. Friend accept that those few lines in our manifesto have now morphed into what...; Lord Grayling | 598 c938 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is a distinguished lawyer and expert in these matters. I have no doubt that as we ...; Alex Salmond | 598 c938 (Link to this contribution)
May I suggest a parallel procedure to the one recently suggested by the aggrieved Tory Back Bench...; Lord Grayling | 598 c938 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, the right hon. Gentleman is ingenious in his arguments, but I simply say that we are, an...; Ian Lucas | 598 c938 (Link to this contribution)
If the right hon. Gentleman believes in a United Kingdom Parliament, will he extend to Members fr...; Lord Grayling | 598 c938 (Link to this contribution)
Over the past 20 years, we in this House have done precisely that with the creation of the Welsh ...; Ian Blackford | 598 c938 (Link to this contribution)
The problem with that argument is that we keep hearing about the respect that was shown to the Sc...; Lindsay Hoyle | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am not responsible. When you say “you” it means me, and I do not want to take that respo...; Lord Grayling | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
I get the point that the hon. Gentleman was making. This is a simple matter. During the Scottish ...; Andrew Percy | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
We hear the word “respect”, but it is simple: my constituents think that respect goes both ways a...; Lord Grayling | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
This is a live and real issue, but it is a mark of the respect and affection in which we hold the...; David TC Davies | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
As somebody who is proud to be Welsh and proud to be British and has taken the oath to the Queen ...; Martin Docherty-Hughes | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lindsay Hoyle | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Sit down now. We will not have two Members standing. It was an intervention and I will not...; Martin Docherty-Hughes | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lindsay Hoyle | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
Don’t. We want an orderly debate in which everybody will have their time to speak, so what we wil...; David TC Davies | 598 c939 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. In putting right an obvious injustice to England, my right hon. Fri...; Lord Grayling | 598 c940 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for his support. I think this is purely about fairness and I...; Graham Stuart | 598 c940 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is being too generous to Opposition Members, particularly the Scottish natio...; Lord Grayling | 598 c940 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the Scottish National party, which is made up of a group of people I have grown to li...; Graham Stuart | 598 c940 (Link to this contribution)
Further to that point, my right hon. Friend is right. We have learned to like and respect the Sco...; Lord Grayling | 598 c940 (Link to this contribution)
In some cases, there might be some evidence of influence from Edinburgh, but I do not think that ...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c940 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Leader of the House accept that how this matter has been dealt with has stoked the fires...; Lord Grayling | 598 c940 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman talks about proper consideration and these proposals were, of course, publishe...; 598 c941 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lord Grayling | 598 c941 (Link to this contribution)
I will make a little bit of progress, and then I will give way a few more times.
I have alr...; Angela Eagle | 598 c941 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way again; it is gracious of him. He mentioned that d...; Lord Grayling | 598 cc941-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am cognisant of the hon. Lady’s point. She would not expect me to announce the business in adva...; David Davis | 598 c942 (Link to this contribution)
I am one of those who have raised very firmly with my right hon. Friend the question of the Barne...; Lord Grayling | 598 c942 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to my right hon. Friend. Money resolutions will also be voted on by the...; Alex Salmond | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
It would be helpful to the House if I took the Leader of the House back to an example of where he...; Lord Grayling | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
That is not right, because a money resolution attached to a tuition fees Bill would be a matter f...; Alex Salmond | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
But not SNP votes.; Lord Grayling | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
There were SNP votes at the time.; Alex Salmond | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
We voted against it.; Lord Grayling | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
It is none the less the case—because we do not distinguish between Scottish MPs, even Conservativ...; Alex Salmond | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
The Leader of the House is being generous with his time. The Scottish National party is the only ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c943 (Link to this contribution)
That is precisely why, should such a circumstance arise, the right hon. Gentleman and his colleag...; Gavin Robinson | 598 c944 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Leader of the House for giving way. I think he has been gracious enough to a...; Lord Grayling | 598 c944 (Link to this contribution)
That is precisely what I have done. I have said, “Let us put this in place. Let us road test it. ...; Mark Durkan | 598 c944 (Link to this contribution)
Going back to what the right hon. Gentleman said a couple of minutes ago, does he not accept that...; Lord Grayling | 598 c944 (Link to this contribution)
I have tried in recent days to identify any Bill that has a public spending impact outside the es...; Simon Hoare | 598 c944 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. Listening to some on the Opposition Be...; Lindsay Hoyle | 598 c944 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I suggest that that intervention is far too long?; Lord Grayling | 598 c944 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for the support he gives to the measures. I think they are measur...; Fiona Mactaggart | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lord Grayling | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady is no doubt going to tell me that it is unreasonable. She represents an Engli...; Fiona Mactaggart | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
I am a proud Unionist. The voices of proud Unionists on the Opposition Benches say to the Leader ...; Lindsay Hoyle | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Unfortunately, we have to have short interventions. The best thing to do is have one inter...; Fiona Mactaggart | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
I missed the important bit!; Lord Grayling | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
I got the gist, Mr Deputy Speaker. The dilemma for the right hon. Lady is this: she and her party...; Kirsty Blackman | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Leader of the House confirm that no amendments can be made to estimates?; Lord Grayling | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
It is a matter for the Liaison Committee, which can organise a debate on any estimate if it choos...; Albert Owen | 598 c945 (Link to this contribution)
On the composition of Bill Committees, is the Leader of the House saying that Welsh, Scottish and...; Lord Grayling | 598 cc945-6 (Link to this contribution)
In my view, there is no issue with any Member chairing any Committee, since by convention a casti...; Angela Eagle | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
We accept the Leader of the House’s point about the Chair of a Committee, but what if there were ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
We intend that only very few Committees will be England-only; almost all will remain United Kingd...; Alistair Carmichael | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Leader of the House for giving way; he is being generous with his time. May ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid I do not think that it would be a meaningful trial at all. We have a system that will...; Alistair Carmichael | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
It will not just apply to the single Bill; it will also apply to all the certified secondary legi...; Lord Grayling | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think we will decide after a year that we want to stop it altogether. We may decide to m...; Peter Bone | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
First, may I thank the Leader of the House for giving Parliament more time to discuss this matter...; Lord Grayling | 598 c946 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, they do. Any secondary legislation certified as England or England and Wales-only would be s...; Ian Blackford | 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lord Grayling | 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
Before I give way, I have a question for the hon. Gentleman. It has been the SNP’s practice to st...; Ian Blackford | 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to try to assist the Leader of the House in that task. There is a very simple answ...; Lindsay Hoyle | 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Let me help the House by explaining that 23 people wish to speak and the two Front Bencher...; Lord Grayling | 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
On that note, I shall seek to bring my remarks to a conclusion. I have been as generous as I can ...; 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lord Grayling | 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
In the interests of fairness, I will allow two more interventions and then I shall wrap up.; Christopher Chope | 598 c947 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. Does he accept that this issue is not just about votes on ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
That may be a current issue for one or two of them, having moved down from Scotland to be here, b...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lord Grayling | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way for the last time and then wind up.; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful. One person he has not mentioned in detail so far is the Speaker of the House of Co...; Lord Grayling | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
Mr Deputy Speaker, I am not sure whether it is appropriate to discuss in this House conversations...; Charles Walker | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lord Grayling | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
Because my hon. Friend the Chairman of the Procedure Committee wants to intervene, I shall take t...; Charles Walker | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
I look forward to seeing my right hon. Friend in September. In advance of that meeting, the Commi...; Lord Grayling | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
I look forward to that.; 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Lord Grayling | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
Last, but not least, I give way to the hon. Member for Central Ayrshire (Dr Whitford).; Philippa Whitford | 598 c948 (Link to this contribution)
It is not that SNP Members do not recognise the issue for constituents living in England—we absol...; Lord Grayling | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Lady’s point. We have considered the issue very carefully, and we do not wa...; Angela Eagle | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to contribute to what has now thankfully become a general debate on the Government’s propo...; William Cash | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I think I heard the hon. Lady say that English Members should have the right to have their views ...; Angela Eagle | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I think the McKay commission, which was convened by the Government, made some sensible suggestion...; Wayne David | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that this is a major constitutional issue, and that what is therefore r...; Angela Eagle | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend that changes of this kind are much better made on a cross-party basis...; Lord Grayling | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Angela Eagle | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I am more than happy to give way to the right hon. Gentleman.; Lord Grayling | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I am still waiting for an explanation of why, when my predecessor invited the hon. Lady’s party t...; Angela Eagle | 598 c949 (Link to this contribution)
I shall come to that.; Alex Salmond | 598 c950 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is right in saying that these are not the McKay commission proposals, and that the ...; Angela Eagle | 598 c950 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the right hon. Gentleman about the diagram. It looks more like a plate of spaghetti ...; Graham Stuart | 598 c950 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Lady accept that, notwithstanding her valiant efforts, those of members of her part...; Angela Eagle | 598 c950 (Link to this contribution)
I think it is a lot more complicated than that, and I think the hon. Gentleman should be a bit mo...; Lord McCabe | 598 c950 (Link to this contribution)
On the subject of ping pong, am I right in thinking that an all-England Committee would send the ...; Angela Eagle | 598 c950 (Link to this contribution)
I may have to be corrected, but my understanding of the process is that if it is an England-only ...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c950 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, I wonder whether my hon. Friend can help me: the noble Lord Thomas of Gresford in ...; Angela Eagle | 598 cc950-1 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend, who has the unique distinction of missing out by one vote from being select...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c951 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Lady accept that, given the nature of the devolution settlement, the fact tha...; Angela Eagle | 598 c951 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for inexplicably promoting me to the Privy Council; perhaps she could have ...; Jonathan Lord | 598 c951 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Tom Pursglove | 598 c951 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Angela Eagle | 598 c951 (Link to this contribution)
I am going to make a bit of progress; I will give way later, but I am only on page 2 of my speech...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c951 (Link to this contribution)
I am not unsympathetic to the hon. Lady’s desire to look at this issue in the round, but it seems...; Lindsay Hoyle | 598 c952 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think the hon. Lady has got the point.; Angela Eagle | 598 c952 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. and learned Gentleman for accepting my goodwill, at least. We are in a mor...; Tom Pursglove | 598 c952 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Angela Eagle | 598 c952 (Link to this contribution)
No; let me finish the point I am making.
I would also say in passing that the Union has alw...; Graham Allen | 598 c952 (Link to this contribution)
Would my hon. Friend consider seizing this agenda by convening all the parties and all the people...; Angela Eagle | 598 cc952-3 (Link to this contribution)
There is great merit in my hon. Friend’s arguments. I might be able to consider doing that after ...; Tom Pursglove | 598 c953 (Link to this contribution)
I note what the hon. Lady said about red rags and bulls. In that spirit, does she agree that it m...; Angela Eagle | 598 c953 (Link to this contribution)
I found out about the nature of the Government’s proposals at quarter past six the night before t...; Lord Grayling | 598 c953 (Link to this contribution)
Did the hon. Lady not read our manifesto? I read hers.; Angela Eagle | 598 c953 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I did, and I even read the English manifesto, but it contained just a short sentence or two ...; Jonathan Lord | 598 c953 (Link to this contribution)
It is one thing to ask the Government about detail, but we have failed to hear any detail at all ...; Angela Eagle | 598 c953 (Link to this contribution)
There is the constitutional convention and a lot of the issues of powers also—[Interruption.] Bec...; Peter Bone | 598 c953 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is making a reasoned case, but she should think again about things being secretive....; Angela Eagle | 598 c954 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman knows, the Scotland Bill is the result of an all-party agreement made in th...; Wayne David | 598 c954 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that, to be fair to them, the last Government did begin a process of co...; Angela Eagle | 598 c954 (Link to this contribution)
That is part of the problem: we have never had an explanation from the Government as to why the v...; Graham Stuart | 598 c954 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Angela Eagle | 598 c954 (Link to this contribution)
I have already given way once to the hon. Gentleman and it is important that I now get on to make...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c954 (Link to this contribution)
I am interested to hear that comment. I agree with the hon. Lady that creating an English Parliam...; Angela Eagle | 598 c955 (Link to this contribution)
In all of the three statements or speeches that I have made in the past three weeks, I have begun...; Graham Stuart | 598 c955 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Angela Eagle | 598 c955 (Link to this contribution)
If I must.; Graham Stuart | 598 c955 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is being most generous, especially as she did not intend to be—to me in particular....; Angela Eagle | 598 c955 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman uses his usual charm. He can take it now that I will not be giving way to him ...; David Jones | 598 c955 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Angela Eagle | 598 cc955-7 (Link to this contribution)
No.
There was particular concern expressed during last week’s emergency debate that so-call...; Alex Salmond | 598 c957 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether there is another possibility. I am not saying that this Bill would be referred f...; Angela Eagle | 598 cc957-8 (Link to this contribution)
The Government, as currently constituted, have a majority of 12, or effectively closer to 16. Wit...; David Davis | 598 c958 (Link to this contribution)
I propose to speak very briefly as I have only one substantive point of principle to make.
...; Graham Stuart | 598 c958 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend give way?; David Davis | 598 c958 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, but I wanted to be brief.; Graham Stuart | 598 c958 (Link to this contribution)
That is one of the strengths of using Standing Orders. The very fragility of it means that, contr...; David Davis | 598 c958 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I could not disagree more. The simple truth is that we have made it down the cen...; Pete Wishart | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; David Davis | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
I wanted to keep this brief, but I will of course give way to the hon. Gentleman.; Pete Wishart | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased that the right hon. Gentleman has picked up on the issue of legal challenge. The rea...; David Davis | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
It is wrong, for the reasons I described. As the hon. Gentleman well knows, I take the view that ...; William Cash | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend give way?; David Davis | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
No. If my hon. Friend will forgive me, I am going to try to make some progress.; William Cash | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
On this point?; David Davis | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
I give way. [Interruption.] I am easily bullied, yes.; William Cash | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
The Scotland Act 1998 already has provision for judicial review in questions relating to ultra vi...; David Davis | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
I rest my case. Let me make some progress.; Dominic Grieve | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend give way?; David Davis | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
I suddenly find myself in a courtroom, rather than the Chamber, but I give way.; Dominic Grieve | 598 c959 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to make this point later, but I may as well make it now because that is the purpose o...; David Davis | 598 cc959-960 (Link to this contribution)
The House will take that on board.
My other point about what the Leader of the House has do...; Pete Wishart | 598 cc960-1 (Link to this contribution)
What a week it has been. It is hard to believe that we were all here, in practically the same pla...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c961 (Link to this contribution)
Last time we debated these matters in the House, the hon. Gentleman said very clearly—I believe t...; Natascha Engel | 598 c961 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady should speak through the Chair. She was directing her questions to me, when she wan...; Pete Wishart | 598 c961 (Link to this contribution)
I am almost grateful to the hon. Lady for raising that issue. I wondered how long I would be on m...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c961 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman had many expressions of interest, but I receive many expression...; Pete Wishart | 598 c961 (Link to this contribution)
We heard last week and we have heard in the run-up to this debate that there is massive unhappine...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Pete Wishart | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way to the right hon. and learned Gentleman again.
The situation cannot go ...; Philippa Whitford | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
Our constituents have commented that during Scotland Bill debates, the Chamber has been almost em...; Ian Lucas | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
I’m here all the time.; Philippa Whitford | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
There have been only half a dozen people on the Government Benches during debates that are crucia...; Pete Wishart | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for pointing that out. I remember coming into the Chamber and see...; Lord Grayling | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
It is worth setting on the record for the House that I am disappointed that Labour and SNP Member...; Pete Wishart | 598 c962 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think I suggested that. I accept that. Why, therefore, was the vote on foxhunting withdr...; Wayne David | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my colleague for giving way on the question who takes an interest in these matte...; Pete Wishart | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
I am looking round the Chamber and I see the usual suspects—those who take a real and deep intere...; William Cash | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
I always enjoy the hon. Gentleman’s speeches. He has a rather compelling manner. Would he similar...; Pete Wishart | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
That suggests the tantalising picture of the hon. Gentleman rushing up to the barricades at the S...; Jonathan Edwards | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
May I take my hon. Friend back to the Barnett consequentials issue, as that is our key concern, w...; Pete Wishart | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is spot on. That is our concern and the major issue that we still have with the re...; William Cash | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Robert Jenrick | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Pete Wishart | 598 c963 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way again to the hon. Member for Stone (Sir William Cash), but I will give way to...; Robert Jenrick | 598 c964 (Link to this contribution)
Like my hon. Friend the Member for Stone (Sir William Cash), I am enjoying the performance. I hav...; Pete Wishart | 598 c964 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted at the praise being heaped on me by English Conservative Members. It is not necess...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c964 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Pete Wishart | 598 c964 (Link to this contribution)
I have already given way to the hon. Lady.
That was the most important issue for Conservati...; Natascha Engel | 598 c965 (Link to this contribution)
Order. There are too many conservations going on besides the speaker, so let us keep them to a mi...; Pete Wishart | 598 c965 (Link to this contribution)
As I said, I am in the Union-ending business. That is my job and that is what I believe in. Even ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c965 (Link to this contribution)
I am always very entertained by the hon. Gentleman’s performance. I imagine that he was a superb ...; Pete Wishart | 598 c965 (Link to this contribution)
It is almost difficult to try to explain ever so gently to the Leader of the House how it works. ...; Graham Stuart | 598 c965 (Link to this contribution)
The power of the hon. Gentleman’s performance—I agree with colleagues that it is first class—is m...; Pete Wishart | 598 cc965-6 (Link to this contribution)
I invite the hon. Gentleman to look at the explanation of what will happen as shown in the wonder...; Alex Salmond | 598 c966 (Link to this contribution)
From experience, I can assure my hon. Friend that the Chair of a Committee does not have the powe...; Pete Wishart | 598 c966 (Link to this contribution)
I still do not know how any of this will be enforced.; Lord Grayling | 598 c966 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is not one of the new Members of his party and he will know perfectly well tha...; Pete Wishart | 598 c966 (Link to this contribution)
That is news to me. I was under the impression that we were to be excluded from the English part ...; Patrick Grady | 598 c966 (Link to this contribution)
A few times in the debate, the impression has been given that we somehow do not represent our con...; Pete Wishart | 598 c967 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely—that is what people have voted for us to do. They have voted for us, in the same way a...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c967 (Link to this contribution)
I would accept the hon. Gentleman’s argument if he told the House that he had responded just as q...; Pete Wishart | 598 c967 (Link to this contribution)
We are going to do that. The plan to water down foxhunting legislation in England has given us an...; Alex Salmond | 598 c967 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to continue our earlier debate, but the Leader of the House said a moment ago that all...; Pete Wishart | 598 cc967-8 (Link to this contribution)
I say candidly to my right hon. Friend that I do not know what hope there is. He and I served on ...; Helen Whately | 598 c968 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has given his strong views on foxhunting, but he has still not explained why h...; Pete Wishart | 598 c968 (Link to this contribution)
We did not vote on them, because the Tories withdrew them. I do not think I could have been clear...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c968 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Pete Wishart | 598 c968 (Link to this contribution)
I have already given way to the hon. Lady and I want to make progress.
The Government’s att...; William Cash | 598 c968 (Link to this contribution)
I do think the hon. Gentleman might just reflect on the fact that the Speaker already has the pow...; Pete Wishart | 598 c968 (Link to this contribution)
With due respect, I do not think the hon. Gentleman actually gets what is involved for the Speake...; Neil Gray | 598 c968 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow North (Patrick Grady) made a very interesting point earlier...; Pete Wishart | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
There’s a thought and a prospect! We already know that there could never now be a Scottish Prime ...; Wayne David | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree—this is my understanding—that not only will the Speaker make a cert...; Pete Wishart | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
Worse than that, the Speaker’s certification will not be open to challenge. Because of parliament...; Alan Duncan | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
indicated dissent.; Pete Wishart | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
I see the right hon. Gentleman shaking his head. Maybe we could explore that and see what we can ...; Kirsty Blackman | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
The other point is that the Speaker will be required to certify whether everything that comes thr...; Pete Wishart | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has been following these issues with a very keen interest. She has already brought...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c969 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman also accept that there is no mechanism to make representations to the Spe...; Pete Wishart | 598 cc969-970 (Link to this contribution)
That is another point. We can see how bad this is, placing the Speaker in such a position. Shame ...; Graham Stuart | 598 cc970-1 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to take part in this debate and to follow the performance of the hon. Member for...; Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 598 c971 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Graham Stuart | 598 c971 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman answer this question? In what way does injecting consent—not initiative o...; Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 598 c971 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think the Scottish people are that out of step with what we are saying. Not only did the...; Natascha Engel | 598 c971 (Link to this contribution)
To be helpful, I say to the hon. Member for Glasgow South (Stewart McDonald) that “you” is direct...; Graham Stuart | 598 cc971-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman, who speaks as well as his colleague, the hon. Member for Perth and North Pert...; Lady Hermon | 598 c972 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I wonder when he last visited Northern Ireland. I would say ...; Graham Stuart | 598 c973 (Link to this contribution)
I accept the hon. Lady’s sincerity. She may have an opportunity to speak later, and to explain mo...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c973 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not ironic that SNP Members who asked for, and got, the devolution that they wanted—or, at ...; Graham Stuart | 598 c973 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is quite right. We watched as national Parliaments were convened in Holyrood, Card...; Neil Gray | 598 c973 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Graham Stuart | 598 c973 (Link to this contribution)
I will make some progress first, if I may.
England does not seek to overturn those powers, ...; Chris Law | 598 c973 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Angus Brendan MacNeil | 598 c974 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Graham Stuart | 598 c974 (Link to this contribution)
I will make progress, if I may.
In the aftermath of the Scottish referendum result last aut...; Peter Grant | 598 c974 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has twice said “I would hope”. Does he not cherish this precious UK constituti...; Graham Stuart | 598 c974 (Link to this contribution)
I simply say to the hon. Gentleman that the vow was made, it has been brought forward here, and i...; Angus Brendan MacNeil | 598 c975 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman says there will be confusion with an English Parliament. I am quite sure the E...; Graham Stuart | 598 cc975-6 (Link to this contribution)
The lacklustre support for that even from the hon. Gentleman’s own disciplined Benches says a lot...; Angus Brendan MacNeil | 598 c976 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Graham Stuart | 598 c976 (Link to this contribution)
That is a principle that the hon. Gentleman has espoused for many years, but he has now been told...; Angus Brendan MacNeil | 598 c976 (Link to this contribution)
I notice that the legislative process in the House of Lords will not be changed, so Scottish Lord...; Graham Stuart | 598 cc976-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is an experienced and long-standing Member of this House, and he will know tha...; Ian Lucas | 598 c977 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Beverley and Holderness (Graham Stuart) has spoken in a more emollient fashio...; Robert Jenrick | 598 c977 (Link to this contribution)
Gladstone, one of my predecessors as Member of Parliament for Newark, made a similar proposal to ...; Ian Lucas | 598 c977 (Link to this contribution)
Gladstone’s proposals were in home rule Bills, which were of massive constitutional significance....; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c977 (Link to this contribution)
But of course, that idea of legislative consent is dealt with by Presiding Officers in; Ian Lucas | 598 c978 (Link to this contribution)
It is not the same system—it is an entirely different one. These proposals are, for the Speaker, ...; Angus Brendan MacNeil | 598 c978 (Link to this contribution)
I want to follow up on the point made by the hon. Member for Newark (Robert Jenrick) about his “W...; Ian Lucas | 598 c978 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, my position is different from that of the hon. Gentleman.
One practical example fr...; Graham Stuart | 598 c978 (Link to this contribution)
Hospitals and schools in Wales that are used by English people are controlled entirely through th...; Ian Lucas | 598 c978 (Link to this contribution)
I do not really understand the intervention, but what I say to the hon. Gentleman is that I am no...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
Forgive me but I find it difficult to follow the hon. Gentleman’s argument. There is nothing in t...; Ian Lucas | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
What they will prevent me from doing is putting down amendments in Committee.; Baroness Coffey | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
No, they will not.; Ian Lucas | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
They will. They will prevent me from putting down amendments in Committee and voting in the Legis...; David Jones | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will know that, for the purpose of deciding whether the new procedures apply, ...; Ian Lucas | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with that, but how will the Speaker know? These proposals contain no procedure for me to ...; David Jones | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
I agree, and is that not the point of the debate that we are having and of the consultation that ...; Ian Lucas | 598 c979 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. It is therefore good that the Leader of the House did listen and did not press these Sta...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c980 (Link to this contribution)
My constituents in Cheshire have no say on the health service in Wales, even though they might be...; Ian Lucas | 598 c980 (Link to this contribution)
That is the case because this Parliament approved devolution and had a referendum. England, if it...; Graham Stuart | 598 c980 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has set out his case cogently, but it is not right. He says that he will not b...; Ian Lucas | 598 c980 (Link to this contribution)
In the Committee I will not be able to move the amendment, because I will not be a member of the ...; Wayne David | 598 c980 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has made a series of powerful and practical points about what the proposals might ...; Ian Lucas | 598 c980 (Link to this contribution)
That is certainly the case.; Susan Elan Jones | 598 c980 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that even though there is a simplicity—and simplicity can be very nice—...; Ian Lucas | 598 cc980-1 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed.
The proposed Standing Orders need to be changed so that representations can be made...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c981 (Link to this contribution)
It is an English and Welsh matter.; Ian Lucas | 598 c981 (Link to this contribution)
It is not an English and Welsh matter—it is a Welsh matter, and it should be determined by MPs fr...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c981 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman’s example is somewhat disingenuous, because Welsh language issues are devolved...; Ian Lucas | 598 c981 (Link to this contribution)
Criminal justice matters are not devolved.
If such a position were conceded by the Governme...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c981 (Link to this contribution)
I think the point that my hon. Friend the Member for Eddisbury (Antoinette Sandbach) is making is...; Ian Lucas | 598 c981 (Link to this contribution)
That is an ingenious but wrong argument, because criminal justice matters are matters for this Ho...; Wayne David | 598 c982 (Link to this contribution)
Another relatively small example—people might think it is such—shows the complexity of the situat...; Ian Lucas | 598 c982 (Link to this contribution)
I was talking about the implications of giving Welsh MPs—dare I say it?—the same rights as MPs fr...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c982 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Ian Lucas | 598 c982 (Link to this contribution)
No, I will not. I will finish this point. I have given way to her too often already. I am speakin...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c982 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Ian Lucas | 598 cc982-3 (Link to this contribution)
No, I will finish this point.
The Labour Government provided that power because we thought ...; Alberto Costa | 598 c983 (Link to this contribution)
I applaud the hon. Gentleman for speaking up for the United Kingdom, which he has just mentioned....; Ian Lucas | 598 c983 (Link to this contribution)
My answer is: “Don’t support these proposals whatever you do.” I believe passionately in the Unit...; Alberto Costa | 598 c983 (Link to this contribution)
The fact is that, at this election, the Conservative party put English votes for English laws in ...; Ian Lucas | 598 c983 (Link to this contribution)
I do not believe that these measures will safeguard the United Kingdom, and I do not believe that...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c983 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Ian Lucas | 598 cc983-4 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way because I have taken up enough time.
I do not believe that constitution...; David Jones | 598 c984 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will know that I have a certain amount of sympathy for some of the points that...; Ian Lucas | 598 c984 (Link to this contribution)
I am not over-egging the pudding because the proposal would establish the unprecedented principle...; 598 c984 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Natascha Engel | 598 c984 (Link to this contribution)
Most of the Back-Bench contributions have lasted almost half an hour. A large number of Members w...; Derek Thomas | 598 cc984-6 (Link to this contribution)
I was intending to take an hour, if that is okay, Madam Deputy Speaker.
I want to inject Co...; Alistair Carmichael | 598 cc985-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to take part in this debate, particularly to follow the maiden speech by the hon...; Alberto Costa | 598 c987 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I make a similar point. My constituents in South Leicestershire repeatedly told me in the ...; Alistair Carmichael | 598 cc987-8 (Link to this contribution)
I will come to what the proposals do and what we can possibly do through the use of Standing Orde...; Graham Stuart | 598 c988 (Link to this contribution)
He represents them. Unbelievable.; Alistair Carmichael | 598 c988 (Link to this contribution)
I listened with courtesy to the hon. Member for Beverley and Holderness (Graham Stuart) and I ask...; Alberto Costa | 598 c988 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way a second time. The truth is that he...; Alistair Carmichael | 598 cc988-990 (Link to this contribution)
I do not doubt the good faith of the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, but essentially, if he stops ...; William Cash | 598 c989 (Link to this contribution)
The idea of giving reasons for a Speaker certificate is simply absurd. If reasons were given, eve...; Alistair Carmichael | 598 c989 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think anybody should have anything to fear from justiciability. Essentially, we are gett...; David Jones | 598 cc989-991 (Link to this contribution)
I am very pleased to be called in this important debate. May I too say how pleased I was to be pr...; Alberto Costa | 598 c991 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend should not be surprised at all. This is all part and parcel of the Scottish ...; David Jones | 598 cc991-2 (Link to this contribution)
That may be the case, but my constituents in upland north Wales are still bemused as to why it is...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c992 (Link to this contribution)
While I remain sceptical about the whole process, would a solution not be for the Speaker, when h...; David Jones | 598 c992 (Link to this contribution)
I was coming to exactly that point. As I said in an intervention on the hon. Member for Wrexham, ...; Wayne David | 598 c992 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman makes an extremely important point, and I can well understand the validi...; David Jones | 598 c992 (Link to this contribution)
As I just said, it seems to me that a further amendment should be made to the draft Standing Orde...; Mark Tami | 598 cc992-3 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make a few practical points about the proposals and explain how they may adversely affect...; Jessica Morden | 598 c993 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is raising important points about the complexities and practicalities in north Wal...; Mark Tami | 598 c993 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. My hon. Friend and I have talked about this many times. I may be based in north Wales an...; David Jones | 598 c994 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman speaks of devolution for England. That might or might not be a good thing, but...; Mark Tami | 598 c994 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that that was the result then. The right hon. Gentleman’s party was strongly opposed to ...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c994 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the hon. Gentleman may have misunderstood one of the issues. I want to keep the Unit...; Mark Tami | 598 c994 (Link to this contribution)
There is no model that will fit every situation. The Mayor of London and the London Assembly, for...; Lord Beamish | 598 c994 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend think it likely that the Government will announce that a Bill is English-only...; Mark Tami | 598 cc994-5 (Link to this contribution)
I do, and the Leader of the House said earlier today that he has already looked at this, and ther...; William Cash | 598 c995 (Link to this contribution)
First, I want to deal with one or two absurd concepts that have been put forward, and I am going ...; Tommy Sheppard | 598 c995 (Link to this contribution)
I think the hon. Gentleman might be somewhat confused. Does he not understand that there is a dif...; William Cash | 598 c996 (Link to this contribution)
May I speak quite bluntly? As it happens, I have great affection for Members of the Scottish Nati...; Wayne David | 598 c996 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman’s quote is constitutionally and historically correct, but does he agree that a...; William Cash | 598 c996 (Link to this contribution)
I shall not cite the obvious George Orwell quote that comes to mind about all animals being equal...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c996 (Link to this contribution)
I was here.; William Cash | 598 cc996-7 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. and learned Friend was indeed here.
I tabled an amendment on the West Lothian...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 598 c997 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving us the definition of devolution, which of cou...; John Bercow | 598 c997 (Link to this contribution)
Order. These interventions are, in equal measure, stimulating and a tad over long. I am referring...; William Cash | 598 c997 (Link to this contribution)
As I say, I enjoy debating with SNP Members because they always come to the point as they see it,...; John Bercow | 598 c997 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I know that the hon. Gentleman prides himself on many things, including a most impressive ...; William Cash | 598 cc997-8 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, indeed. I would not in any way want to disregard or disrespect anything that was said from t...; Sammy Wilson | 598 cc998-9 (Link to this contribution)
As a Unionist, I find this a sad and alarming debate. I come from a part of the United Kingdom wh...; Lord Beamish | 598 c999 (Link to this contribution)
I agree that these things need to be carefully considered in detail. Like me, is the hon. Gentlem...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c999 (Link to this contribution)
I am, which is why I think the Government should take more time over this. Historically, there is...; Alberto Costa | 598 c999 (Link to this contribution)
The talk we have heard from the Opposition is that our policy might be fanning the flames of Engl...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c999 (Link to this contribution)
If that is the case, and if all that the hon. Gentleman’s constituents want is a simple resolutio...; Jim Cunningham | 598 c999 (Link to this contribution)
One of the reasons I think the Government are playing games with this and trying to rush it throu...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know what the motive is, but I do know what the outcome will be: it will be damaging to ...; William Cash | 598 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman well knows, I am extremely sympathetic to all matters relating to Northern ...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
The role of the Speaker has already been discussed. I fully appreciate the work that the Speaker ...; Graham Stuart | 598 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman started his speech by going on about how little impact the proposal would have...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c1001 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman had been listening, he would know what I said, but I think he has already m...; Sammy Wilson | 598 c1001 (Link to this contribution)
We have some experience of the double veto in Northern Ireland. Indeed, we have an impasse in Nor...; Dominic Grieve | 598 cc1001-2 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to be able to participate in this debate. It is a particular pleasure to do so a...; Peter Grant | 598 c1002 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. and learned Gentleman not understand that he has put his finger on one of the...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c1002 (Link to this contribution)
No. I am afraid that distinction exists only in the mind of the hon. Gentleman. If I may say so, ...; William Cash | 598 c1003 (Link to this contribution)
I have already referred to the fact that I tried to resolve the West Lothian question by proposin...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c1003 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very important point. I will come back to it, but I will now move on becau...; Wayne David | 598 c1003 (Link to this contribution)
What was the right hon. and learned Gentleman’s considered view of Sir William McKay’s proposals?...; Dominic Grieve | 598 cc1003-4 (Link to this contribution)
The McKay proposals were good, but they preceded the vow. Once we got to the point of further dev...; Anne McLaughlin | 598 cc1004-8 (Link to this contribution)
I was not supposed to be here, Mr Speaker. Every account of polling predictions said that Glasgow...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c1007 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to follow the maiden speech of the hon. Member for Glasgow North East (Ann...; Madeleine Moon | 598 c1009 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady was a Member of the Welsh Assembly, so she knows that there is a dynamic relationsh...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c1009 (Link to this contribution)
I simply do not understand the hon. Lady’s argument. I used to represent an area in Wales and wou...; Peter Grant | 598 c1009 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Lady agree, on behalf of the people she used to represent in Wales, that it would b...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 cc1009-1010 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman knows, foreign affairs is not a devolved issue. That is a United Kingdom de...; Callum McCaig | 598 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
The aspirations of the various peoples of these islands are being articulated in this debate. We ...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman ought to reflect that his constituents have seen at least two, if not three, S...; Martin Docherty-Hughes | 598 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry. I wish to make some progress.
I ask for parity of treatment between my constitu...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 cc1010-2 (Link to this contribution)
I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Glasgow North East (Anne McLaughlin). She might not know thi...; Antoinette Sandbach | 598 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
I have absolutely no doubt why attendances have gone up at the Countess of Chester. The Labour-co...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady might like to take up that issue with her right hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd We...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman would be able to table amendments in Committee. I accept that he would n...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister makes the point: I cannot vote on tabled amendments that I have moved in Committee, ...; David Jones | 598 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman will know that I share many of the concerns he is expressing. He asks wh...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c1013 (Link to this contribution)
I do agree. At the moment, the draft Standing Order states:
“A clause or schedule which rel...; Martin Docherty-Hughes | 598 c1013 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman has taken the words right out of my mouth. The former Member of Parliame...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 cc1013-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. On this issue, at least, we share a perspective.
As I ...; Mark Durkan | 598 c1014 (Link to this contribution)
I echo the right hon. Member for Delyn (Mr Hanson) in saying that it is a pleasure to follow the ...; Madeleine Moon | 598 c1014 (Link to this contribution)
I disagree with the hon. Gentleman. The issue here is not the English question, but the Conservat...; Mark Durkan | 598 cc1014-5 (Link to this contribution)
I fully accept that this is the Conservative party’s way of trying to grapple with what it percei...; Edward Leigh | 598 c1015 (Link to this contribution)
Last week I and some other Members mentioned these Barnett consequentials and expressed our conce...; Mark Durkan | 598 cc1015-7 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot agree with the hon. Gentleman that the Leader of the House has handled this in a model w...; Jim Shannon | 598 cc1017-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to speak in the debate. I wish I could say in all honesty that I had been lookin...; Edward Leigh | 598 c1018 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman knows that I share many of his views. I admire his Unionism and I am as strong...; Jim Shannon | 598 cc1018-1020 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. We agree on many things, but unfortunately I sus...; Patricia Gibson | 598 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for allowing me the opportunity to speak on what is perhaps the ...; Martin Docherty-Hughes | 598 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
Has my hon. Friend noted the lack of attendance on the Government Benches, despite the seriousnes...; Patricia Gibson | 598 cc1020-1 (Link to this contribution)
I heartily concur with my hon. Friend. I hope that people in Scotland watching the debate on the ...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady will recognise that the Government realised there was a problem with that and it ha...; Patricia Gibson | 598 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady, but that merely demonstrates the indecent haste with which this whole ente...; Mike Weir | 598 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend will also recall that in the previous list of Bills, it was discovered that some o...; Patricia Gibson | 598 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
Again, that highlights the indecent haste involved in this proposal. The back-of-a-fag-packet cal...; Mark Durkan | 598 c1022 (Link to this contribution)
Paragraph 6 of Standing Order 83J says that in making that decision
“the Speaker shall trea...; Patricia Gibson | 598 c1022 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman takes the words out of my mouth, because I was about to say that the only crit...; Kirsty Blackman | 598 cc1022-4 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate the opportunity to contribute to this important debate on English votes for English ...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point that the hon. Lady is making, but her argument is effectively that everyth...; Kirsty Blackman | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
The way that the financial settlement works means that what happens in this place has a knock-on ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
With due respect to the hon. Lady, I remind her that were such a Bill to exist—and it certainly w...; Kirsty Blackman | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
The point is that we could be excluded. The Government are trying to write it into the Standing O...; Lord Grayling | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
No, we are not.; Kirsty Blackman | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
Well, if there had been more clarity on how these proposals would work and more discussion in adv...; Lord Grayling | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Kirsty Blackman | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to the Leader of the House once more.; Lord Grayling | 598 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
I think it might be helpful to say again that not a single Bill will pass through this Parliament...; Kirsty Blackman | 598 c1025 (Link to this contribution)
By the nature of this place, we will have a succession of Governments in future years who could p...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 598 c1025 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not the case that the proposals would allow MPs from Scottish constituencies to agree incre...; Kirsty Blackman | 598 cc1025-6 (Link to this contribution)
That is the case. As I say, the proposals are badly thought out.
As has been said, because ...; Gavin Robinson | 598 cc1026-7 (Link to this contribution)
The debate has been divisive and fractious. Before I fracture the House further, I want to praise...; Alex Salmond | 598 c1027 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Gavin Robinson | 598 c1027 (Link to this contribution)
I might be disappointed by this comment too—we will see.; Alex Salmond | 598 c1028 (Link to this contribution)
Not in the slightest. I find the comments made earlier by the Leader of the House difficult to re...; Gavin Robinson | 598 c1028 (Link to this contribution)
That is exactly why I have asked the Leader of the House to explain the situation. He is welcome ...; Lord Grayling | 598 c1028 (Link to this contribution)
I reiterate that the rules that apply to every Committee of this House as regards who can partici...; Gavin Robinson | 598 cc1028-9 (Link to this contribution)
I must say that I was disappointed by some of the exchanges, particularly those involving the hon...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening carefully to what the hon. Gentleman has to say. I can see that he can make an arg...; Gavin Robinson | 598 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for his intervention. I was impressed and e...; Mark Durkan | 598 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
The one bit of reassurance that the hon. Gentleman has been offered by the Leader of the House re...; Gavin Robinson | 598 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
I realise that I am pushing on for time, but I would be happy to allow the Leader of the House to...; Lord Grayling | 598 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
I reiterate that this House’s Committee arrangements enable Members who are not formally part of ...; Gavin Robinson | 598 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure the Leader of the House will take the opportunity to withdraw the paper that has been m...; Lord Grayling | 598 c1030 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate that the hon. Gentleman is new to this House, but if a Member is not formally a voti...; Gavin Robinson | 598 c1030 (Link to this contribution)
I will not take any further interventions. Yes, I am a new Member of this House, but I can read a...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 598 cc1030-2 (Link to this contribution)
The proposal under discussion represents the worst of all worlds for Scotland and it leaves my co...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
I want to just make a couple of brief points on the notion of EVEL, particularly in relation to g...; Jim Shannon | 598 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
A short time ago, certain legislative proposals on gambling passed through here that had some imp...; Graham P Jones | 598 cc1032-4 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate the detail that the hon. Gentleman brings to the debate. For Northern Ireland, some ...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 598 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The Leader of the House has not indicated that he wants to respond to the hon. Gentleman’s...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. What happened is on the record in Hansard—silence from the Gover...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
I can say that Barnett consequentials do not impact on direct pieces of legislation, but I will e...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
I did not catch the first part of the answer. Will the Minister repeat it more clearly?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
I said that I will explain further in my speech, but individual pieces of legislation do not have...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
It would be nice to have that information. It is not present at the minute, but I am glad that th...; Dominic Grieve | 598 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
The one merit or demerit of the proposal is that the Standing Orders are voted on by everybody. I...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1035 (Link to this contribution)
That may be so. I would like to know whether there will be any safeguards in place to prevent suc...; Alex Salmond | 598 c1035 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Hyndburn (Graham Jones) has just described this as a mess. One of my favourit...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1035 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree—this is for Hansard to put on the record—that the Leader of t...; Alex Salmond | 598 c1035 (Link to this contribution)
I could not possibly say that the Leader of the House looked vacant. What I will say is that the ...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1036 (Link to this contribution)
Would not those iPads require a fairly complex template in the case of certain pieces of legislat...; Alex Salmond | 598 c1036 (Link to this contribution)
Given the level of intelligence that features in the explanatory notes, I hope that the same peop...; Pete Wishart | 598 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, 2003.; Alex Salmond | 598 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend, who knows about all these things and has served on almost as many Grand Committee...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 598 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
That was also because Gladstone lived in Wales and represented a seat in England.; Alex Salmond | 598 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
There are two reasons why William Gladstone did not come up with the dog’s breakfast before us.; Wayne David | 598 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
I think, from memory, that the quote was, “It is beyond the wit of man.”; Alex Salmond | 598 cc1037-1040 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that there was a bit of shoulder in there, but none the less I will accept the hon. Gen...; Nicholas Dakin | 598 cc1040-1 (Link to this contribution)
It has been an excellent debate, in which I believe 23 Members have taken part. I want to start b...; Neil Gray | 598 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman talks about this debate being divisive and fractious. Does he not agree that t...; Nicholas Dakin | 598 cc1041-4 (Link to this contribution)
As I see it, the problem is that the Government are going forward in a way that excludes rather t...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1044 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to reply to this debate, and particularly to hear two maiden speeches. The first...; Alex Salmond | 598 c1044 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
I want to get through my speech and perhaps take interventions a bit later if that is okay.; Alex Salmond | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way briefly.; Alex Salmond | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
On the subject of reflection, and in the interests of the hon. Member for Belfast East (Gavin Rob...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
I will come to that point during my speech, and I hope that my response will satisfy the right ho...; Ian Lucas | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
I will not if that is okay, because I am trying to respond to the points made in the debate. [Int...; Ian Lucas | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way at this stage.; Ian Lucas | 598 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 598 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Lady has said that she will not give way. It has been a long debate, and the hon....; Alex Salmond | 598 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Minister is claiming support from the McKay commis...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 598 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
As the right hon. Gentleman knows, that is a matter for debate. There is clearly disagreement in ...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
I am simply quoting directly from the report.
My understanding is that the hon. Member for ...; Angela Eagle | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
I still have quite a lot to get through, but I will give way on the gridlock issue.; Angela Eagle | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
If the distribution of English local government grants is not voted for, no money can be distribu...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
We believe that it is a fair response to say that when the matter is providing finances for Engli...; Graham P Jones | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way.
On Speaker certification, which the hon. Member for Hyndburn (Graham J...; Mark Durkan | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
Not at the moment, because I am making progress in responding to the debate.
The position o...; Mark Durkan | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Deputy Leader of the House give way on that point?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
Of course I will give way on that point.; Mark Durkan | 598 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady will remember that when the Fixed-term Parliaments Bill was being discussed in the ...; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1048 (Link to this contribution)
I think the Speaker is more than well equipped and will certainly have the advice available to do...; Alex Salmond | 598 c1048 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1048 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way any more as I am trying to address the other points. [Interruption.] We have ...; Ian Lucas | 598 c1048 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Baroness Coffey | 598 c1049 (Link to this contribution)
The Lords are peers of the United Kingdom and a sovereign House, so they should determine their o...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 598 c1050 (Link to this contribution)
We now come to motion No. 4 on the Order Paper.; Bill Wiggin | 598 c1050 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I have noticed that the hon. Member for Blackley and B...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 598 c1050 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Gentleman’s annoyance at there being a mistake on the Order Paper. As Mr Sp...
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