Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 9 March 2020, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Gardiner of Kimble and Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist.

Fisheries Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 17 to 27 agreed to. Schedules 3 and 4 agreed to. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Part 2 of 2.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 802 cc851-907
Session: 2019-21
Department: Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Legislative stage: Committee stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Fisheries Bill (HL) 2019-21.
Wednesday, 29 January 2020
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Monday, 9 March 2020
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Thursday, 19 March 2020
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Proceeding contributions: Lord Teverson | 802 cc851-2 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Teverson
81: Clause 17, page 13, line 25, at end insert—
“( ) A l...; Lord Teverson | 802 c852 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also support Amendment 82 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Grantchester. Before I ...; Lord Grantchester | 802 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for tabling Amendment 81, and rise to s...; Lord Cameron of Dillington | 802 c853 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my support for Amendment 81 on the equitable treatment of British and foreign-lic...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc853-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords for this short debate, particularly to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson...; Lord Teverson | 802 c854 (Link to this contribution)
I am very convinced by the Minister. However, coming back to the fact that this is devolved, I mu...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc854-5 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch
83: After Clause 17, insert the following new C...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc855-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my proposed new clause seeks to clarify whether we have sufficient resources to patrol ...; Lord Teverson | 802 c856 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, for an excellent and important amendment. There...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc856-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her amendment. The UK Government’s robust fisheries enfo...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c858 (Link to this contribution)
There were other questions posed by the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, to which I hope the Minister w...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc858-9 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely understand the point made by the noble Baroness. My assessment is that this is at th...; Lord Teverson | 802 c859 (Link to this contribution)
How long will the temporary financing of extra resources last and when it will end? At that point...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc859-860 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the noble Lord and the noble Baroness that I have no further detail other than to ...; Lord Teverson | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the Minister can write to me with the figures for the current enforcement budget for Engl...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I will endeavour to ensure that a letter is directed to the noble Lord and the noble Barones...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply. We wish him well in his application in the spending review. ...; Lord Grantchester | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Grantchester
88: Clause 19, page 13, line 35, at end insert “not exceed...; Lord Grantchester | 802 c861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall move Amendment 88 and speak to Amendment 89. These are the subject of this grou...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc861-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment had me a little puzzled. I wondered whether the noble Lord had, like me,...; Lord Grantchester | 802 c862 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for her complete explanation. I beg leave to withdraw my amendment....; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c862 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch
90: Before Clause 23, insert the following new ...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc862-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment addresses a running concern in the Bill that Parliament will be preclude...; Lord Teverson | 802 cc863-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very pleased to support the amendment. If there has been one mistake made since th...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc864-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am also grateful to the noble Baroness for her amendment. The UK Government remain co...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c865 (Link to this contribution)
I think I am going to ask one of my dumb questions, which I know the Minister will tolerate. I am...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c865 (Link to this contribution)
I think it would be best if I just repeat that the Prime Minister has already committed to provid...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c865 (Link to this contribution)
In that case, I am grateful to the noble Lord and I think it would be helpful if he could just ch...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c866 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch
92: Clause 23, page 15, line 16, leave out “may...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc866-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 92 and 97 are in the name of my noble friend Lord Grantchester and Amendment...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 cc867-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I associate myself with the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of...; Baroness Worthington | 802 cc868-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have Amendment 103 in this group. I feel we are getting into the heart of the Bill he...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c869 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Grantchester, for his amendment, and to the noble...; Lord Teverson | 802 c869 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that there is the potential to do that, and I look forward to the meeting; I am very pl...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc869-870 (Link to this contribution)
There was, shall we say, licence on my part there because I thought it might excite intervention....; Baroness Worthington | 802 c870 (Link to this contribution)
To be absolutely clear, does the Minister mean that we will honour the allocation of the FQAs in ...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc870-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will write to the noble Baroness on that. The reason for taking this decision at this...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c872 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I would just like to clarify that my amendment did not...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c872 (Link to this contribution)
I take the noble Baroness’s point. It is why, in rerunning the objectives debate on Clause 1, the...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 c873 (Link to this contribution)
Is my understanding correct? Did my noble friend say that Clause 23(2) could be used to allocate ...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c873 (Link to this contribution)
I had better look at the Bill again, and check exactly what I said so that I do not, in any way, ...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c873 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister has given a lot of detail, so I feel that I too will have to go back and r...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc873-4 (Link to this contribution)
Again, the problem with the amendment stating “must” is that it concerns the determination of all...; Lord Teverson | 802 c874 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly support this amendment and, if that is the case, clearly the Government should just br...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c874 (Link to this contribution)
Again, the provision talks about “for a calendar year”, so these are annual fishing opportunities...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc874-5 (Link to this contribution)
I feel that the more we dig, the more complicated and confusing this gets. I understand that the ...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 802 cc875-6 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville
93: Clause 23, page 15, line 23, ...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 802 cc876-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment introduces binding legal commitments not to fish above scientifically re...; Lord Krebs | 802 cc877-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak briefly in support of the amendment because it provides me with an oppo...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c878 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot say much more than the noble Baroness has already said, very eloquently. I len...; Lord Grantchester | 802 cc878-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, and the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, ...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc879-881 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her Amendment 93, which sets out a number of re...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 802 cc881-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response and all noble Lords who have contributed to this short deba...; Lord Teverson | 802 c882 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Teverson
94: Clause 23, page 15, line 27, at end insert—
“( ) Any...; Lord Teverson | 802 cc882-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I come to two amendments; I cannot imagine there is any way the Government could disagr...; Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 802 cc883-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to my Amendment 104. Like the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, I am concerned...; Baroness Worthington | 802 cc884-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 105 in my name. We are getting to the heart of the Bill in...; Lord Cameron of Dillington | 802 cc887-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 105 because I think that this group of amendments, around Cl...; Lord Lansley | 802 cc888-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for my late arrival at the Committee. I believe my noble friend Lady McInto...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c889 (Link to this contribution)
I just want to clarify things. We see the need for two tiers of transparent objective criteria: o...; Lord Lansley | 802 cc889-890 (Link to this contribution)
Happily, I think we are in agreement about this. There are two tiers of allocation: the determina...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc890-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for tabling his amendments, which addre...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc891-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, and the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, ...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c894 (Link to this contribution)
I have heard that phrase before that fish are somehow held on trust. Fish are considered to be wi...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c894 (Link to this contribution)
It is understood.
The issue of public property would, we believe, be covered by the socio-e...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c894 (Link to this contribution)
Before moving on to the next amendment, I just wish to clarify that the main objection to this re...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c895 (Link to this contribution)
I go back to Clause 23, which applies to the Secretary of State setting the UK quota. Clause 25 r...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c895 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 23 applies only when we have an international agreement. It is clear that UNCLOS, which is...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc895-6 (Link to this contribution)
I shall write to the noble Baroness on that detailed point.
On Amendment 106, which address...; Lord Teverson | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for those 101 reasons why it is difficult. My question is: do the Government...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I just said that we do, and how we could do it with additional quota.
7.30 pm<...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)
The fundamental point that we are making is: can we ever imagine a point in the future where we c...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)
I note the noble Baroness’s disappointment, but that is the Government’s position and we have no ...; Lord Teverson | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for going through all that, but another term for stability and cer...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)
I am assured that the economic benefit objective will have some bearing on that.; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have not spoken on this amendment, but I am pretty horrified with the way that it has...; Lord Teverson | 802 c897 (Link to this contribution)
Anyway, I look forward to the new entrants scheme. That is good. I misunderstood the Minister, wh...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c897 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch
107: Clause 27, page 18, line 6, at end insert—...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc898-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 107 in my name follows on from our previous debate about the management of, a...; Lord Teverson | 802 c899 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for putting steel in my backbone again and ...; Baroness Worthington | 802 cc899-900 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 110 in my name. I have, perhaps overconfidently, attempted...; 802 c900 (Link to this contribution)
Hear, hear!; Baroness Worthington | 802 c900 (Link to this contribution)
I will ignore that last comment. I thank noble Lords very much.; Baroness Wilcox | 802 cc900-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have been sitting here and listening for a long time. I have worked with these people...; Lord Teverson | 802 c901 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness on her work on the lobster hatchery in Cornwall, whic...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc901-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too thank my noble friend Lady Wilcox very much for her distinguished support for fis...; Baroness Worthington | 802 c903 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for those comments. Could we have one of those meetings with the specialists...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c903 (Link to this contribution)
Most definitely. On the basis of my explanation, I hope that the noble Baroness will feel able to...; Lord Teverson | 802 c904 (Link to this contribution)
I just seek a couple of clarifications. With any new fishing opportunities, there will have to be...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c904 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 27 is about English fishing opportunities as far as I recall. The other thing I should say...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c904 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is extremely helpful. If the Minister’s think piece is going to cover the circumst...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 cc905-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to debate this. We heard the figures earlier for the ...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c906 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 27 allows for the sale of rights to English fishing opportunities —quota and days at sea, ...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 c906 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have to say that I find it very disappointing, as the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, sai...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c907 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can commit to writing on the issues of tradeability of fishing rights and non-active ...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 c907 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think I shall get any satisfaction this evening so I shall not press this matter now, bu...
Subjects: Access Conditions of employment Devolved matters Common fisheries policy Conservation Devolution Delegated legislation Crew Auctions Fisheries Licensing Eligibility Environment Fishing catches Fishing vessels Fines Northern Ireland Parliamentary scrutiny Navy Negotiations Scotland Working conditions Standards Sales Training Safety Wales Quotas Total allowable catches UN Convention on the Law of the Sea Marine Management Organisation Centre for Environment, Fisheries and Aquaculture Science International Council for the Exploration of the Sea UK relations with EU
Legislation: Fisheries Bill (HL) 2019-21
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