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I thank the Minister for that reply. As I said in my introduction, we expect major announcements from BAA tomorrow which will obviously have a considerable influence on the way we go forward. Certainly there is some resentment in the airlines. The ones using Heathrow feel that they might be subsidising the...

Member
Lord Hanningfield (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c163-4GC
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to both Members of the Committee who have contributed to this short debate, particularly the clarity with which the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, identified the issues. He listed the four functions of the CAA; none of them is given primacy in the Airports Act 1986. They apply to the...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c162-3GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for his reply, which was much as we expected. I agree that compensation for airports alone should not be addressed. I think we have a problem. I will try and find some international examples so that I can catch the Minister out on another occasion. The cost of a project...

Member
Lord Hanningfield (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c160GC
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord is right that airports can give effect to this, but he must know of major road schemes in the country near which householders suffer. The widening of the North Circular—the part I am thinking of is pretty close to Essex, although just within the London boroughs—has led to...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c159-60GC
House
House of Lords

I support what has been said. Rendition, as practised by the Americans, is wholly unacceptable. I hope that my noble friend will not prevaricate because the Government ought not to do that. What has been done ought to be condemned by them without doubt. I thank the noble Baroness for introducing the subject...

Member
Lord Clinton-Davis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c168GC
House
House of Lords

This has been a serious and important debate. I must emphasise to the Committee that because this is an aviation Bill, and because the subject of the amendment concerns aircraft, does not mean that because I cannot accept the amendment I am, as the noble Lord, Lord Garden, suggested, somehow condoning a practice. The...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c168-9GC
House
House of Lords

My noble friend will recognise that for all kinds of good reasons, the idea that a state could abrogate to itself within the framework of international air travel the right to commission officers to go on board an aircraft and carry out a search for identifying the purposes of the...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c169-70GC
House
House of Lords

My noble friend knows that I feel very strongly about this issue. The whole Committee owes a debt of gratitude to the noble Baroness for introducing the subject. However, I share the opinion of my noble friend at the Dispatch Box, and I speak as a former Minister of aviation. The Civil Aviation...

Member
Lord Clinton-Davis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c171GC
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, is right to say that the amendment which I was forced to withdraw against my better judgment on the last occasion in Committee tackled this issue. My noble friend argued that he was bound by what the Minister said in a letter to Mr Keith Manns about this...

Member
Lord Clinton-Davis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c173-4GC
House
House of Lords

moved Amendment No. 45:"Page 12, line 22, at end insert—" ““(   )   Section (Policing of airports), this section and Schedule (Policing of airports) come into force on the day on which this Act is passed.”” On Question, amendment agreed to. [Amendment No. 45A not moved.]

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c176GC
House
House of Lords

I am unconvinced of the case as yet, but I have it in mind that it is being presented by Members on my own side, so I am happy to engage in conversation on the point. Both my noble friends Lord Faulkner and Lord Berkeley well appreciate the extent to which the British...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c119-20GC
House
House of Lords

I am sorry. My noble friend is quite right. We are aware of international investigations that are taking place. The United States Government have been involved in some analysis of this situation. This issue would not affect only British pilots, air crew, passengers and aircraft; the implications would be profound for...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c138GC
House
House of Lords

As I indicated, there is a framework whereby we are looking at the evidence coming through under the auspices of my noble friend’s organisation. It is a good framework. If there was an indication that additional action was necessary, of course we would address ourselves to it in the international forum....

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c139GC
House
House of Lords

The whole Committee is indebted to the noble Countess, Lady Mar, for her expertise on the issue. I shall be very brief, which the Committee will welcome. One thing is vital: these are very important issues which should be dealt with at an international level—first, perhaps, in Europe and, secondly, worldwide....

Member
Lord Clinton-Davis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c136GC
House
House of Lords

moved Amendment No. 35:"After Clause 7, insert the following new clause—" ““CIVIL AVIATION OCCUPATIONAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL MEDICAL MONITORING AND ACTION CENTRE (1)   There shall be an independent organisation to be known as the Civil Aviation Occupational and Environmental Medical Monitoring and Action Centre (CA-OEMMAC). (2)   CA-OEMMAC is to have the functions conferred on it...

Member
Countess of Mar (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c129-36GC
House
House of Lords

I asked my noble friend whether the Government were embarking on any initiatives at an international level—either on a European platform or internationally—to address these issues. He has not dealt with that.

Member
Lord Clinton-Davis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c138GC
House
House of Lords

The amendment, which my noble friend moved in such clear terms, enables me to address in a rather more direct way the issues that arose during our discussion on the other amendments, which we eventually assimilated into the debate on Amendment No. 30. What Amendments Nos. 31, 32 and 34 have in common, as...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c128GC
House
House of Lords

What an interesting debate. I thank noble Lords of all political parties and none for their support and I thank the Minister for the courtesy, charm and eloquence of his reply. There is no Minister who conveys unwelcome news to meetings in this House better than my noble friend Lord Davies and...

Member
Lord Faulkner of Worcester (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c149-50GC
House
House of Lords

So as not to be left out, and to make the Minister feel even more beleaguered, I, too, support the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Faulkner.

Member
Countess of Mar (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c145GC
House
House of Lords

I also support my noble friend Lord Faulkner’s amendment. I fail to see the argument against a £1 or even a £2 levy. Maybe you can fly to Madrid for £10, but it costs £13 to get from Paddington to Heathrow—unless you get on the train that stops at every station but which does not...

Member
Lord Berkeley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 December 2005
Reference
676 c144GC
House
House of Lords