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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 4 July 2005, in the House of Lords.

Road Safety Bill [HL]

Road Safety Bill (HL). Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 18-20 agreed to. New clauses considered. (Part 2 of 2)

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Parliamentary proceeding
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673 c501-28 
Session
2005-06
Department
Department for Transport
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
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House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Earl Attlee | 673 c501-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 77:"After Clause 17, insert the following new clause—"    ““TRAFFIC SIGNS FOR ...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 673 c502-4 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to Amendments Nos. 78 and 79, which are grouped with Amendment No. 77. The first ame...
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Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 673 c510 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness. I was making the technical point that I thought that that definition nee...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 673 c509-10 (Link to this contribution) I can help the noble Baroness on that point. At the moment, if a community has street lighting, it a...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 673 c509 (Link to this contribution) I have half a sympathy with Amendment No. 77. It sounds good, but I would not want it to reach such ...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c511 (Link to this contribution) I understand from the Box that it is not the case that they could change within an SI.
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c511 (Link to this contribution) I wish to be absolutely clear. Is the Minister saying that the present statutory instruments allow a...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c510-1 (Link to this contribution) We have had an invigorating debate, given the time of night. I hope that noble Lords will bear with ...
Viscount Simon | 673 c510 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 78 states:"““There shall be a national speed limit of 30 mph for villages””." That is...
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c512 (Link to this contribution) I am content. However, I represent two settlements on the county council. One has no street lights, ...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c511-2 (Link to this contribution) I understand that the position as set out by the noble Lord is the correct one. That said, guidance ...
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c511 (Link to this contribution) So the SI mandates them against providing repeater signs or signs that would remind motorists, even ...
Lord Lyell | 673 c504-6 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Gardner is about to rise, but I looked at this series of amendments and I am ha...
Earl of Dundee | 673 c504 (Link to this contribution) Within this group I shall address Amendment No. 80, which seeks to place a duty on local authorities...
Lord Lyell | 673 c506 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness said ““clearly””. I will take her to places—I have referred to them—where there i...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 673 c506-7 (Link to this contribution) Local authorities currently have no choice about the 60 mph speed limit, which is the default speed ...
Lord Hanningfield | 673 c506 (Link to this contribution) I have a lot of time for the noble Baroness, Lady Scott, because she is a great defender of local go...
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c507-8 (Link to this contribution) We should think about this issue very carefully. We have attempted to table simple amendments. My co...
Lord Lyell | 673 c507 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness says that that would be sensible. I think that she has made the case for me.   Sh...
Lord Berkeley | 673 c508-9 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments, particularly Amendments Nos. 78 and 79, although I do not wish to spend to...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c508 (Link to this contribution) As someone who has lived most of my life in rural areas, I support Amendment No. 78. I have lived on...
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c513 (Link to this contribution) That contrasts greatly with what the Minister said to me about repeater signs. I ask simply that loc...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c513 (Link to this contribution) I have repeatedly stated that the Government are in favour of a 30 mph limit in those circumstances....
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 673 c512-3 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister accept that the term ““government policy””, with all due respect, is completely me...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c512 (Link to this contribution) That is the situation. Moving on to Amendment No. 78, the Government’s road safety strategy recogni...
Lord Berkeley | 673 c517-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 84:"After Clause 18, insert the following new clause—"    ““DRIVER LIABILITY I...
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c516-7 (Link to this contribution) As this is such a big group of amendments, perhaps I may just add that the Minister referred to the ...
Earl Attlee | 673 c516 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all the noble Lords who have taken part in this debate and for the Minister’s detai...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c513-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point about the default mechanism, but we are not persuaded that it is the way to m...
Lord Berkeley | 673 c518 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I said that the amendment would include pedestrians, cyclists, ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 673 c518 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord’s amendment include somebody riding a horse or pony along the road? I must decla...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 673 c521 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness makes an important point when she refers to a case of such seriousness. The court...
Baroness Hanham | 673 c521 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to intervene because, as I have declared before, I am a magistrate and I deal with road t...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 673 c521-2 (Link to this contribution) I was not talking about negligent driving—that is the phrase of the noble Earl, Lord Dundee—I was ta...
Lord Monson | 673 c521 (Link to this contribution) It is good to hear that the Government intend to act on the question of causing death by negligent d...
Earl of Dundee | 673 c519-20 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 85:"After Clause 18, insert the following new clause—"    ““CAUSING DEATH OR I...
Lord Berkeley | 673 c518 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my noble friend’s response. The concept of the innocent motorist rather depends on...
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c520-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment of the noble Earl, Lord Dundee. For a long time the courts have taken an und...
Lord Monson | 673 c520 (Link to this contribution) Last time we had the Committee stage on the Bill, I opposed an amendment proposed by the noble Earl....
Earl Attlee | 673 c522 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister saying, therefore, that he intends to increase the penalty for a road traffic offenc...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 673 c518 (Link to this contribution) Of course, I share the concerns about vulnerable road users. We insist that motorists have third-par...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 673 c526-7 (Link to this contribution) I bow to the technical knowledge of the noble Earl, who has no doubt dealt with more ill-fitting fil...
Earl Attlee | 673 c526 (Link to this contribution) Inspection will not necessarily reveal that the cap is defective.
Lord Davies of Oldham | 673 c525-6 (Link to this contribution) I have had my frustrations with the contributions of the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, on occasions tod...
Earl Attlee | 673 c525 (Link to this contribution) It is surprisingly easy to pick up a conviction for using a vehicle in a dangerous condition. It is ...
Lord Bradshaw | 673 c524-5 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may add a word or two to what has just been said by the noble Baroness. We are talking abo...
Baroness Hanham | 673 c523-4 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 91 is linked with Amendment No. 90. As the noble Earl said, Clause 20 would make di...
Earl Attlee | 673 c522-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 90:"Page 23, line 27, leave out ““six”” and insert ““three””." The noble Lord s...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 673 c522 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to be drawn too far, because I cannot pre-empt the consequences of the Government’s co...
Earl of Dundee | 673 c522 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister very much for his helpful responses. I also thank the noble Lords, Lord Monson ...
Earl Attlee | 673 c528 (Link to this contribution) We have concluded that we need to take another look at the drafting of Section 40A of the 1988 Act. ...
Baroness Hanham | 673 c527 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his robust reply. He said that a decision would be made on who was...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c528 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Lord Davies of Oldham | 673 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall not dissuade the noble Baroness from undertaking her researches on where the law stands on t...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 673 c506 (Link to this contribution) Something can be legitimate, but still be dangerous. That is indeed the point. There is already a bl...
Viscount Simon | 673 c525 (Link to this contribution) I shall be very brief. All vehicle examiners—be they police officers, from the Vehicle Inspectorate ...
Subjects
Accidents Driving Injuries Insurance Prosecutions Negligence Pedestrians Standards Safety Roads Road signs and markings Speed limits Road traffic offences Rural areas Vehicles
Legislation
Road Safety Bill (HL) 2005-06
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