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Road Safety Bill [HL]

Secondary information

Type

Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

677 c61-131 

Session

2005-06

Department

Department for Transport

Legislative stage

Third reading

Procedure

Privilege amendments

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Road Safety Bill (HL) . As amended on Report (HL)
Tuesday, 29 November 2005
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Viscount Tenby | 677 c81-2, (corrigendum) 292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I opposed the idea of a custodial sentence for offences of careless driving earlier in the...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c120 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, she noted that officials had been in consultation with T...

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Lord Berkeley | 677 c110-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. The noble Baroness has put forward similar amendments for a numb...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take issue on a couple of points the Minister has raised. First, he said that he is out ...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, I cannot say where.

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 677 c68-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3:"After Clause 19, insert the following new clause—" ““NATIONAL SPEED LIMIT F...

Baroness Hanham | 677 c126 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise only because my noble friend mentioned me, and I want to say that subsection (2)(b)...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c131 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I hope that this will be considered elsewhere. I beg ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c130-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. The Governmen...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 677 c130 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Minister aware that the problem of heavy goods vehicles in rural areas is a growing...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c129-30 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26:"After Clause 59, insert the following new clause—" ““PROOF NECESSARY TO DR...

Lord Swinfen | 677 c128-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the wearing rate of cycle helmets by boys may be only 11 per cent now but we should bear i...

Baroness Crawley | 677 c127-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, for...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c126-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall not repeat what I said on Report. As a cyclist, I am afraid I cannot support this ...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 677 c126 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I took the riding hat legislation through your Lordships’ House some years ago so that chi...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c131 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass. Moved, That the Bill do now pass.—(Lord Davies ...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c117-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we were discussing the previous amendment on pedicabs at Report, I said I thought tha...

Baroness Hanham | 677 c118 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make it absolutely clear that my amendment has nothing to do with any campaign p...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c118-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I was not implying that in the least. I am simply say...

Baroness Crawley | 677 c119-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions and thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham,...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c115 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. I am grateful that the Government are proceeding sensi...

Baroness Hanham | 677 c115-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21:"After Clause 48, insert the following new clause—" ““PARKING AND TRAFFIC E...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c117 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I declare an interest as my husband is a Westminster City council...

Baroness Crawley | 677 c120 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that officials have not yet been in touch with that association.

Baroness Hanham | 677 c120-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that really helpful reply. Within the course of this Bill, we hav...

Lord Swinfen | 677 c123-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 24:"After Clause 58, insert the following new clause—" ““CAUSING OR PERMITTING...

Earl of Dundee | 677 c125 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. The Minister may object to it and point out that th...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c123 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope at least that a message could be given to the police not to harass people unduly, i...

Lord Carter | 677 c123 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in Division No. 3, the number of Not-Content votes was 143, not 142, as previously announc...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c122-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. We have discussed ...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c121 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 22:"After Clause 58, insert the following new clause—" ““REGULATION OF HUMAN T...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c121-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. I had a ride on one of these vehicles. I thought that it would b...

Lord Monson | 677 c125 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I gladly pay tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, for the improvements that he has mad...

Earl of Listowel | 677 c125-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support strongly the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen. Her Majesty’s Government...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 677 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17:"After Clause 42, insert the following new clause—" ““SPEED LIMIT FOR COUNT...

Lord Hanningfield | 677 c110 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this Front Bench has more sympathy with this amendment than we had with enforced speed lim...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 677 c112 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am lost for words—almost. I have absolutely no idea what any of the statistics just reel...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c114 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 20:"Page 54, line 10, at end insert—" ““(   )   in subsection (2), after parag...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Baroness said in moving her amendment, some aspects of this we had considered...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c115 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, did he say a ““pilot””?

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c115 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yes. Not only that, but it is spelt ““p-i-l-o-t””.

Baroness Hanham | 677 c114 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have discussed endlessly the question of who will maintain these areas and how they wil...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord and the noble Baroness for their limited contribution on a...

Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 677 c109 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend and all other Members of the House who have spoken in this short d...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a most interesting debate on an important issue that the Government take ver...

Lord Renton | 677 c106 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness on moving the amendment. Although I disagree with its wo...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. My noble friend’s summary of the scale of the problem astonished ...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c107 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like my noble friend Lord Renton, I feel that the principle of the amendment is good but t...

Lord Swinfen | 677 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have sympathy with the amendment, but will the Minister enlighten me in my ignorance? Ho...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c103 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are at Third Reading. I have made my statement of the Government’s position and attitud...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c103 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry about that, and, in that case, I seek the opinion of the House. On Question, W...

Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 677 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15:"After Clause 40, insert the following new clause—" ““UNDIAGNOSED SLEEP DIS...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c66-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken. However, as a probing amendment, this is a l...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c67-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry but I do not feel particularly reassured because the number of traffic police h...

Viscount Tenby | 677 c69-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. In previous discussions on the matter, the Minister took the view...

Lord Hanningfield | 677 c69 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I totally support the principle of villages having a 30 mph and perhaps even a 20 mph spee...

Earl Attlee | 677 c70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot support the amendment. First, I believe that local authorities can impose appropr...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment, too. We have talked about it many times in your Lordships’ House....

Earl Attlee | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, where does the amendment make that provision?

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c70-1 (Link to this contribution) : My Lords, in response to the point made by the noble Earl and the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, w...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c62-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate. On behalf of the Go...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c63 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does my noble friend agree that all that this amendment seeks to do is to change the flexi...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c64-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment although I regret that it has come before us only at Third Reading...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c64 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2:"After Clause 18, insert the following new clause—" ““ROAD ACCIDENTS INVESTI...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c63-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hear what the noble Lord says and I hear that we will have the opportunity to come back ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c63 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it leaves quite a degree of flexibility, but not as much—about 33? less is my quick calcul...

Earl of Dundee | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. Certainly it comes a little late, as has been pointed out, ...

Earl Attlee | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, has moved an interesting amendment with which I have some s...

Lord Hanningfield | 677 c65-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with a great deal of what my noble friend Lord Renton has said, but there is some ...

Lord Renton | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret to say that I cannot agree with this amendment because it seems unnecessary. The ...

Earl of Dundee | 677 c62 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendment No. 1 proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, and the noble Viscoun...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c61 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 21, line 29, leave out from ““substitute”” to end of line 30 and insert ...

Lord Grocott | 677 c61 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen and His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales...

Viscount Simon | 677 c62 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also added my name to the amendment. Currently, if someone on nine points exceeds the sp...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support this short amendment. We discussed this at some length both in Committee an...

Earl of Dundee | 677 c98 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Hanningfield has indicated, this amendment would simply cause the ...

Lord Hanningfield | 677 c99 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that answer. As I said in my initial remarks, one is pleased that...

Baroness Crawley | 677 c98-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 13 seeks to make it a condition of being granted any category of full drivin...

Earl of Dundee | 677 c100 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my noble friend Lady Gardner of Parkes outlines very eloquently, this amendment would a...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c99-100 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14:"After Clause 36, insert the following new clause—" ““IDENTIFICATION OF VEH...

Viscount Simon | 677 c101 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as far as I recall, the reason why the Northern Ireland scheme was not particularly succes...

Lord Swinfen | 677 c100-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I passed my driving test many years ago, the examiner said to me, ““Now you can go ou...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c101-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for all contributions to this debate, except for the imputation by the noble...

Lord Swinfen | 677 c102 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the House and I appreciate that this is Third Reading, but is there no adva...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c102 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there may be an element in that. The only thing is that the figures from other countries w...

Lord Hanningfield | 677 c90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the Minister said, we have had a long debate—in fact, it has been an hour long—but it i...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am no lawyer, but that is exactly the point—they have not deliberately driven through a ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c94-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness said that she would try again. She has tried again at Third Reading wit...

Viscount Simon | 677 c94 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it seems to me that being ““made safe”” could describe a vehicle failing its MOT and havin...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 677 c94 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can see a problem regarding how one defines when a vehicle has been ““made safe””. If a ...

Baroness Hanham | 677 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 32, line 15, at end insert ““except in circumstances where the vehicle ...

Baroness Hanham | 677 c97 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have battered away as hard as we can to try to get the Government to come to some sensi...

Lord Hanningfield | 677 c97-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13:"Page 44, line 27, at end insert—" ““(   )   In subsection (1) (tests of co...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 677 c96 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad that the noble Lord quoted from the previous stage of the Bill as I was going to...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness’s last point merely substantiates my case. How on earth could we judge ...

Lord Rosser | 677 c83-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened to the debate on this issue on Report, but I did not speak. I do so now simply ...

Lord Berkeley | 677 c82-3 (Link to this contribution) At Report, I supported the government amendment which introduced this new offence of causing death b...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c86-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have participated in the debate. I hope that it will ...

Lord Haskel | 677 c84-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to speak in support of Amendment No. 23, tabled by my noble friend Lord Berk...

Earl Attlee | 677 c82 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend. I was a little disappointed not to be invited to any ministeria...

Baroness Hanham | 677 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the House that I am a magistrate who deals with road traffic matters. I am worrie...

Lord Lyell of Markyate | 677 c88 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would the Minister not agree that the difficulty with the example that he has been careful...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c88 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord thinks that the prosecuting authorities would reach that judgment, but that...

Lord Lyell of Markyate | 677 c88 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the Minister not rather astonish himself? He is giving examples of cases where he say...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c88 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the question of the red light, the noble and learned Lord said the Crown Prosecution Se...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords who supported the amendment. I put on record that I am very disappoint...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if that is the point which the noble Lord makes, which I accept entirely, I do not see the...

Lord Bradshaw | 677 c71-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we introduced the 30 mph limit into villages in Oxfordshire—as, I imagine, was the ca...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot see where the amendment says that either. I thought the intention behind the amen...

Earl of Mar and Kellie | 677 c82 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we support the amendment. I ask the Minister one question. Community service is available ...

Viscount Simon | 677 c77 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my two amendments are intended to close a loophole in the existing legislation and are in ...

Lord Lyell of Markyate | 677 c77-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad to have the opportunity to support noble Lords who seek to overturn the five-yea...

Lord Hanningfield | 677 c74-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 25, line 1, Column 4, leave out from ““(a)”” to ““the”” in line 5." The...

Lord Monson | 677 c76-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to the amendment. It is now almost universally agreed that the law as...

Lord Swinfen | 677 c122 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel that the Government should consider the amendment very seriously, and I should like...

Subjects

Death Accidents Cars Dangerous driving Cycling Fixed penalties Disqualification Driving under influence Large goods vehicles Driving instruction Helmets Electric vehicles Roads Safety Road traffic offences Speed limits

Legislation

Road Safety Bill (HL) 2005-06

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