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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 25 October 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Ed Miliband. The answering member was Andrew Turner.

Charities Bill (HL)

Charities Bill (HL). Report stage. New clause 1 debated and added to the bill. New clause 3 debated and negatived on division. Amendments debated and made to the Bill. Queen's consent signified, Prince of Wales's consent signified. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Bill passed with amendments.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
450 c1539-627 
Session
2005-06
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Prince of Wales's consent
Queen's consent
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Charities Bill (HL). As amended in Standing Committee A
Thursday, 13 July 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Andrew Turner | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) Such wonderful work is indeed being done, but not all religious charities undertake it. Some religio...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Ilford, North (Mr. Scott), referred to wonderful work, but that is presumably wo...
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Andrew Turner | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) Curiously, I think that the right hon. Gentleman is wrong. There are of course some who prey. The Sc...
Michael Meacher | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman used the word ““pray””, but he did not spell it for us. Would he not accept that ...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend believes that, I believe that and my right hon. Friend the Member for Maidstone and T...
Bob Spink | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that before the hon. Gentleman moves on he would want to clear up for the House that prayi...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1584 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, because what he has said is the exact opposite of what the hon....
Evan Harris | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) The question whether prayer has benefit in respect of medical treatment has been put to the test in ...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1583 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly what I fear. My concern is that the difficulty of securing compliance with the publi...
Lee Scott | 450 c1582 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the good works done by many religious groups depend greatly on their ...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1584-5 (Link to this contribution) No, I have not got any such evidence. I have given the example—there are others—of organisations tha...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1584 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. Has he any evidence at all that the curren...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1584 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman demonstrates that even under the current legislation there is only a presumption....
Lord Beith | 450 c1587 (Link to this contribution) To return to the central theme of the hon. Gentleman’s amendment, I am having difficulty in deciding...
John Grogan | 450 c1587 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that Campbell Robb will be a very capable civil servant. I was in the middle of my list o...
Alun Michael | 450 c1587 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend not agree that the appointment of Campbell Robb is welcome, given his engagement...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1584 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman is fundamentally misunderstanding the current status of religion in ...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1584 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I am sure that people do enjoy emotional and perhaps physical benef...
Angela Watkinson | 450 c1584 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that people in hospital who have the benefit of the hospital chaplaincy se...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1574 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says from a sedentary position that Lord Phillips has left the other place. Lord Phil...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1574 (Link to this contribution) One of the questions that we will address in the Bill, which we will come on to debate if we ever mo...
Evan Harris | 450 c1574 (Link to this contribution) The implication of what the Minister has said is that religion is a shallow, charted sea. Everything...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1573 (Link to this contribution) If I was not aware of it before, I am now, and I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his advocacy of ...
Charles Walker | 450 c1572-3 (Link to this contribution) I hate to carp on—[Hon. Members: ““Oh””.] Will the Minister confirm that he is aware of the huge con...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1573-4 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman had been a little more patient, I would have come on to some of the practical ...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1573 (Link to this contribution) I understand what the Minister is saying, but I made a number of points in my speech—not just concer...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1574 (Link to this contribution) I wholly agree with what my hon. Friend says. For the avoidance of doubt, however, on the matter tha...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1574-5 (Link to this contribution) I reassure my hon. Friend that the coverage is supplementary to that of belief in one God. Unfortu...
Speaker | 450 c1582 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment No. 1, in page 3, line 23, at end insert—
Andrew Turner | 450 c1582 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 126, in page 3, line 22, after ‘not’, insert"‘save in the case of sectio...
Evan Harris | 450 c1576-8 (Link to this contribution) The Minister accepts that separate discussions are necessary because he proposes to deal with them s...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1576 (Link to this contribution) A humanist representative was invited to the first consultation with religious organisations as part...
Evan Harris | 450 c1575-6 (Link to this contribution) We have had several excellent debates within one debate, but I shall refer only to the issue that th...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1575 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to make that clear. As I have said, I think the commission has made plain its wish to ens...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1575 (Link to this contribution) I am impressed by what the Minister has just said, but I should like him to restate more clearly wha...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1575 (Link to this contribution) As a non-lawyer, I should probably turn down the invitation to deal freestyle with the Human Rights ...
Evan Harris | 450 c1575 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister ends his speech, I want to give him an opportunity—freestyle, as it were—to deal...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1582 (Link to this contribution) I begin by apologising to Members who expected my right hon. Friend the Member for Maidstone and The...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1569 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting—and, at times, entertaining—debate. I shall try to be admirably brief as ...
Speaker | 450 c1569 (Link to this contribution) Order. There is no need for the Minister to move them; he just speaks to them, as the group has been...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1569-70 (Link to this contribution) I stand corrected, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I shall speak to amendments Nos. 2, 3 and 4. Amendments Nos....
Ed Miliband | 450 c1570 (Link to this contribution) I shall do so in a moment. The second reason is important and complex, and it is a reason of practi...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1570-1 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. The problem with the amendment of the hon. Member for Woking is that even if we were t...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1571 (Link to this contribution) I have a cornucopia of choices before me. I think that the first Member to ask me to give way was th...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1571 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I am going to disappoint the hon. Gentleman. One of the virtues of the Charity Comm...
Peter Bone | 450 c1571 (Link to this contribution) The argument is perhaps confusing clauses 3 and 2. The promotion of health is a public benefit and s...
Charles Walker | 450 c1571 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. As he might know, I am vice-chair of the all-party group on ang...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1572 (Link to this contribution) In order to pass the public benefit test there needs to be an entry point of some kind, and the acce...
Peter Bone | 450 c1572 (Link to this contribution) Under clause 2(2)(d), ““the advancement of health”” is one of the purposes to be recognised, so why ...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1571 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point that, although I do not agree with it, is hard to refute...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1571-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister referred tangentially to what I might describe as the stimulating exchange that I had o...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1572 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress. In short, the amendment tabled by the hon. Member for Woking would no...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1572 (Link to this contribution) As I tried to explain earlier, we are repeating it partly for the sake of clarity. [Interruption.] T...
Alan Milburn | 450 c1595 (Link to this contribution) I understand and respect the right hon. Gentleman’s point of view on the issue. As I shall say in a ...
Gerald Howarth | 450 c1595 (Link to this contribution) I freely confess that I have not had the opportunity of studying the Bill to the extent that I would...
Alan Milburn | 450 c1596-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall come to that, and I have a point or two to put to my hon. Friend the Minister about it. Firs...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1598-9 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Member for Darlington (Mr. Milburn) has just said, this is a very good Bill and th...
Alan Milburn | 450 c1595-6 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that it is my job any more to reassure anyone. That is my hon. Friend the Minister’s j...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1596 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman seems to be saying—and I agree with him—that some independent schools do no...
Lord Beith | 450 c1599 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is demonstrating his usual skill, but some of us find the Bill very unclear. The Hous...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1600 (Link to this contribution) As ever, my right hon. Friend makes a good point, and he may have some sympathy for the much more de...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1599 (Link to this contribution) Does not the hon. Gentleman think it odd that the Charity Commission should seek clarification from ...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1599 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I follow what the hon. Gentleman means. It is reasonable for the commission to wa...
Peter Bone | 450 c1600 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the hon. Gentleman supports amendment No. 126. If the bar is being raised for ...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1600-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that question, and I shall come to amendment No. 126 in due course. ...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1602 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is theorising about Satanism. It has been around for a long time and the Charity ...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1602 (Link to this contribution) The Church of Scientology failed to gain charitable status.
Martin Horwood | 450 c1602 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Lady is referring to existing case law she should be reassured because the charity...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1602 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way again, because he has not answered my question. U...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1602 (Link to this contribution) To give the right hon. Lady an absolutely straight answer, no I cannot give the precise example for ...
Lord Beith | 450 c1602-3 (Link to this contribution) I want to pose a problem for my hon. Friend. The Charity Commission decides to test the law on publi...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1603 (Link to this contribution) I am content to leave such matters to case law and to the Charity Commission. I suggest that my righ...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1590 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1590 (Link to this contribution) In a minute, but not just yet. I will willingly do so when I have finished this section of my speech...
John Grogan | 450 c1587-9 (Link to this contribution) This is the argument of unintended consequences. It will be the job of the Charity Commission to dec...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1589-90 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Isle of Wight (Mr. Turner), who is leading on this Bill from t...
Gerald Howarth | 450 c1591 (Link to this contribution) Surely it is sensible, for the avoidance of doubt in case such matters became actionable before the ...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1591 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. Although my hon. Friend says that there would be no doubt in future, there is no doubt curre...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1590-1 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the right hon. Lady for giving way. I have a soft spot for her because sh...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1591 (Link to this contribution) The second part of the hon. Gentleman’s remarks is wrong. The proposal that I mentioned was straight...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1590 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman did not understand what I said, I will say it plainly: I will willingly give w...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1591-2 (Link to this contribution) I will shortly, but I wish to amble a little further before doing so. I am worried about the incons...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1592 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady’s argument has many holes in it, not least the fact that Life is not a religious...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1592 (Link to this contribution) On the issue involving Life, the hon. Gentleman was not following me closely. I was drawing an analo...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1592 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady is being very generous in giving way, and I think that we are getting to an impo...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1591 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Lord Beith | 450 c1594 (Link to this contribution) Can the right hon. Gentleman not see that there is an inherent difficulty in applying the concept of...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1593 (Link to this contribution) I was ordained in the Church of England.
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1593 (Link to this contribution) I am aware that the hon. Gentleman was ordained in the Church of England, but he left it for this pl...
Alan Milburn | 450 c1593-4 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Maidstone and The Weald (Miss Widdecombe...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1609 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I have to make progress. I need to give the hon. Member for Isle of Wight (Mr. Turn...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1608 (Link to this contribution) I can certainly give the right hon. Lady that assurance. Of course, the Charity Commission has to ma...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1608 (Link to this contribution) I am answering. I do not think that the commission will be able simply to say that, on the basis of ...
Bob Spink | 450 c1606-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Selby (Mr. Grogan) will agree that there are none so generous as Yorkshire folk....
John McDonnell | 450 c1607 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak for no more than a minute. My anxiety about the Bill is that, in the best of parliame...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1607-8 (Link to this contribution) It has been an interesting debate with contributions from distinguished Members of the House, includ...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1608 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that it will not be a formal Pepper v. Hart statement, but will the Minister say briefl...
Alun Michael | 450 c1603-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Cheltenham (Martin Horwood), who is extremely knowled...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 450 c1617-8 (Link to this contribution) It certainly will; my understanding, based on my discussions with the Charity Commission, is that it...
Andrew Selous | 450 c1617 (Link to this contribution) I would be extremely grateful if the right hon. Lady confirmed that, as her colleague Lord Bassam of...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1617 (Link to this contribution) The House will welcome my right hon. Friend’s assurance about international charitable work; of cour...
Angela Watkinson | 450 c1616-7 (Link to this contribution) On the question of public benefit, Christian Hope International, a religious charity based in Harold...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 450 c1617 (Link to this contribution) I can give the hon. Lady that absolute assurance, so long as that charity meets the terms of charita...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1611-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has eaten into my time a little, but we have eaten into his quite a lot today. The fir...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 450 c1616 (Link to this contribution) The Bill underpins a vibrant and exciting sector, which has a huge growth rate. Since it was conceiv...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1609-11 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not giving way to the hon. Gentleman, but I need to make progress. The commission h...
Charles Walker | 450 c1623 (Link to this contribution) Speaking as someone who has asked about a registered charity in the past—in fact, on the Minister’s ...
James Duddridge | 450 c1624-5 (Link to this contribution) At the risk of further alienating my hon. Friends, may I further praise the Minister for his conduct...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1618 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady might be unaware that earlier today the principle had to be renamed as that very...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 450 c1618 (Link to this contribution) I think that the arguments for that proposal were slightly different today.
Tom Levitt | 450 c1618 (Link to this contribution) The point that came across clearly in Committee was that nearly all Liberal party policy, on almost ...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 450 c1618-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is intent on enjoying himself tonight, and I do not blame him. I know how long he, to...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1619-21 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Lady for her kind words addressed to me and my hon. Friends on the Committee....
Alun Michael | 450 c1621-2 (Link to this contribution) I welcome what my right hon. Friend the Minister for the Cabinet Office has said to reinforce the co...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1622-3 (Link to this contribution) I should like to begin by thanking the Minister for the Cabinet Office for her kind words, and I con...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1626 (Link to this contribution) My point about face-to-face fundraising was not that it was impossible under the Bill; in fact, we a...
Andrew Selous | 450 c1625 (Link to this contribution) I want to respond briefly to a point made earlier by the hon. Member for High Peak (Tom Levitt). If ...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1625-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a privilege to wind up the debate. Subject to deliberations in another place, this is the last...
Evan Harris | 450 c1552-3 (Link to this contribution) I was going to come on to the point that the Government have made about that. It is not that humanis...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1553 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give some examples of non-religious belief that fall within the Human Rights...
Evan Harris | 450 c1553-5 (Link to this contribution) Just as the Government do not get drawn into giving lists of examples—rightly so—I am not going to b...
Charlotte Atkins | 450 c1555-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Oxford, West and Abingdon (Dr. Harris) will not be surprised to hear that I wish...
Humfrey Malins | 450 c1556 (Link to this contribution) I speak in support of amendment No. 122, which I tabled. It is essentially a probing amendment, so I...
Greg Knight | 450 c1556 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend tell the House why he has limited his amendment to two committees and a federati...
Humfrey Malins | 450 c1557 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a good point. We are all trying to improve the Bill. It might be improved...
Lord Deben | 450 c1557 (Link to this contribution) Has my hon. Friend noted that his particular formulation would exclude the sport of croquet, for exa...
Humfrey Malins | 450 c1557 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an interesting point about croquet. I confess that I have learned quite a...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1557 (Link to this contribution) I think that I am right in saying that the hon. Gentleman’s amendment would also exclude rugby. It i...
Humfrey Malins | 450 c1557-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. My understanding is that rugby union sevens would fall within...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1560 (Link to this contribution) I remember the hon. Gentleman teasing members of the Standing Committee about supporting an amendmen...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1560 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is too modest; he knows that that is the Cheltenham principle, and he advocated i...
Humfrey Malins | 450 c1558-60 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention. I believe—he must correct me as I go along—that...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1560 (Link to this contribution) I speak as chairman of the all-party group on the voluntary sector and charities, as it used to be c...
Evan Harris | 450 c1561 (Link to this contribution) First, I was talking about the advancement of non-religious beliefs. The hon. Gentleman must explain...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1561 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman about the need to resist amendment No. 126, which would take away fr...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1560-1 (Link to this contribution) Was it? Oh, right. [Laughter.] Nevertheless, the Cheltenham principle of advocating a provision that...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1541-3 (Link to this contribution) New clause 3 addresses a problem that has, I think, arisen by accident. Before the Charities Acts 19...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1543-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Member for Cheltenham (Martin Horwood) for raising this important issue. T...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1544 (Link to this contribution) I am saying two things. First, as I understand it, the concern raised by charities, and in STEP’s le...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1541 (Link to this contribution) I, too, thank the Minister for his opening remarks. One of the best aspects of the Bill is that it h...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1541 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 450 c1541 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendment No. 35.
Martin Horwood | 450 c1545 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s comments, but they are surprising, given the overwhelming body of l...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1545 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his comments, but, as I said, I find them surprising. The people w...
Evan Harris | 450 c1550-1 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak in support of the amendments tabled in my name and the names of other hon. Members fro...
Kelvin Hopkins | 450 c1551 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the hon. Gentleman’s amendments, which I have signed myself. I wondered whether h...
Evan Harris | 450 c1550 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 123, in page 2, line 10, after ‘religion’, insert ‘or belief’.
Speaker | 450 c1550 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment No. 124, in page 2, line 16, aft...
Greg Knight | 450 c1546 (Link to this contribution) Is it not still a problem, despite what the Minister says, that if a conscientious trustee delegates...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1546 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the right hon. Gentleman’s comment; indeed, I was about to make it, myself. As a c...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1545 (Link to this contribution) To expand on my earlier point, I can reassure the hon. Gentleman that it is absolutely clear that du...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1545 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his comments, and for that promise, to which we will hold him, wha...
Evan Harris | 450 c1551-2 (Link to this contribution) It is hard to say, because the number of people signed up to humanism per se, through the British Hu...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1552 (Link to this contribution) What I do not understand is, what belief system would not be covered by the definition of the advanc...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. However, I am especially worried about the new qualification that sports and games should ““...
Stephen Williams | 450 c1567-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman appears to doubt whether mental exertion can contribute to good health. Does not ...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1568 (Link to this contribution) I accept that mental exertion can contribute to health. However, how do, for example, darts players,...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1568 (Link to this contribution) When I worked for the Alzheimer’s Society, our director of research, who worked for the Institute of...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1568 (Link to this contribution) The principle is good and I am pleased about the inclusion of chess, but I am worried that some less...
Peter Bone | 450 c1568 (Link to this contribution) I am shocked that the Government’s proposed new measure relates not only to mental sport but to phys...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1568 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says that they are very thin. I am worried that it would be difficult for some less f...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1568-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that it would be excluded, because it would be brought in by the ““mental”” element o...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1561 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend recognise this anomaly: the Government have chosen to change clause 2(3), so tha...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1562 (Link to this contribution) Either my hon. Friend is thinking along the same lines as me or he has been reading the proceedings ...
Evan Harris | 450 c1562 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that there is a further test—that the purposes"““may reasonably be re...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1564 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the hon. Gentleman, but surely the point about that example is that the...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1563 (Link to this contribution) This is an interesting debate that illustrates a theme that was clear in the debate on section 36 ag...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1562 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman has acknowledged, it is not practical to define exactly what we mean by ““reli...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1563 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a reasonable point, so let me cite an example that does not deal with discr...
Tom Levitt | 450 c1563 (Link to this contribution) With all due respect to the hon. Gentleman, the legislation that he mentions concerns unjustified di...
Kelvin Hopkins | 450 c1566 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the distinction that the hon. Gentleman tries to make but, in a sense, all belief...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1566 (Link to this contribution) I accept that, but one of the few examples that was given was rationalism, which, I assume, is meant...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1565 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. A few others might have had difficulty in getting through under the formulation, ““physi...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1565-6 (Link to this contribution) We are considering an eclectic group of amendments. I shall begin by briefly considering those table...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1567 (Link to this contribution) I was about to cite tiddlywinks, Monopoly and the national Scrabble championships.
Andrew Turner | 450 c1566-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that observation. Before getting to the meat of my remarks, I wanted to tell the ...
Chris Bryant | 450 c1566 (Link to this contribution) Surely it is equally daft to suggest that all religious beliefs are irrational and not based on rati...
Lord Deben | 450 c1566 (Link to this contribution) To credit all secular organisations with being rational is contrary to experience. I debated against...
Speaker | 450 c1539 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following Governments amendments: Nos. 28 to 30, 61, ...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1539 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Charles Walker | 450 c1540 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentions the impact of the proposals, but how many charities would benefit from it?
Ed Miliband | 450 c1539-40 (Link to this contribution) As well as moving new clause 1, proposed by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lanc...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1541 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the Minister and to thank him for his generous words about the contributi...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1540 (Link to this contribution) I believe that I am right in saying that about 15 per cent. of the UK’s 190,000 charities are in tha...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1626-7 (Link to this contribution) I certainly cannot give directions to the commission, but I am confident that under the Bill, there ...
Martyn Jones | 450 c1558 (Link to this contribution) I agree with everything that the hon. Gentleman has said about target shooting, particularly for dis...
Andrew Turner | 450 c1544 (Link to this contribution) I am a little unclear about what the Parliamentary Secretary is saying. He seems to say that the cha...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1564-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, but that is not quite my point. The formulation, ““religion and...
John Grogan | 450 c1585-7 (Link to this contribution) I missed ““Thought for the Day””, which I rather enjoy, this morning, but I feel that I have more th...
Ann Widdecombe | 450 c1592-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman adopts a position that I do not share, as he is arguing this point from a particu...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 450 c1617 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to be as contentious as that—I am trying to bring the House together—but my hon. Fri...
Martin Horwood | 450 c1623-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that contribution, which is very much in the spirit of the Bill. I continue to ha...
Ed Miliband | 450 c1545 (Link to this contribution) On the first point about the legal position, clearly I have infinite capacity to surprise the hon. G...
Subjects
Disability Appeals Charities Audit Company law Companies Charity Commission Charitable donations Health Finance Land Gun sports Human rights Fundraising Private education Property transfer Property Schools Religion Regulation Sports Trusts Wills Humanism Chess
Legislation
Charities Bill (HL) 2005-06
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