Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Wednesday, 6 February 2008, in the House of Lords.
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 3 to 9 agreed to, with clauses 4 and 7 agreed to as amended. Schedule 2 agreed to as amended. New clause under consideration.
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- Parliamentary proceeding
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- 698 c1070-117; 698 c1133-56
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- 2007-08
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- Ministry of Justice
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- Committee stage
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Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Brought from the Commons. In two volumes. (Explanatory Note HL Bill 16-EN published).
Wednesday, 9 January 2008
Bills
House of Lords
- Proceeding contributions
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1153-5 (Link to this contribution) That was a pithy comment. The debate is a fitting conclusion to an extraordinarily interesting day. ...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1155-6 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to all noble Lords who participated in this debate, and I am particularly gr...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1156 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1095 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 63A: 63A: Clause 7, page 4, leave out line 42 On Question, amendment agreed t...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1095 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 64A: 64A: Clause 7, page 5, line 50, leave out from beginning to end of line 4...
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Lord Geddes | 698 c1094 (Link to this contribution) I understand that Amendments Nos. 50 to 62 and 63A and 64A have already been debated although they a...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1094-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 50 to 62: 50: Schedule 4, page 196, line 15, after ““2000”” insert ““or (as ...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1093-4 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that the noble Lord is trying to be helpful, but I think that the level of detail that ...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1094 (Link to this contribution) I find the Minister's reply unusually unconvincing. If national standards are as effective as the no...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1100 (Link to this contribution) I entirely support the amendment spoken to by the noble Earl, Lord Onslow. I consider it important t...
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Baroness Stern | 698 c1099-100 (Link to this contribution) I, too, shall speak to Amendments Nos. 66 and 69, so ably spoken to by the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, ...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1098-9 (Link to this contribution) The amendment is grouped with one of ours. I have been given a signal of two fingers from the other ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 698 c1095-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 65: 65: Clause 9, page 7, line 5, leave out subsection (1) and insert— ““(1) A...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1101 (Link to this contribution) If a child has no conception that it has done wrong; if a child cannot comprehend, then punishment c...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1101 (Link to this contribution) I certainly would not see a child who did not have the understanding of the allegation made against ...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1101-2 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment with the qualification that most of my reasons for wanting to support it wer...
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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 698 c1102 (Link to this contribution) Briefly, I support both these amendments. The use of the word ““punishment””, as applied to what you...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1100 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may interrupt the noble and learned Baroness briefly. With the greatest respect, it is sli...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1100-1 (Link to this contribution) Of course, I bow to the noble Earl’s English. He is absolutely right, but it leads me to the point t...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1104-5 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Onslow. I welcome the strong emphasis on the ...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1102-4 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support these amendments. They refer directly back to the important debate we had at the sta...
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Lord Bridges | 698 c1105 (Link to this contribution) I follow my noble friend from a rather different angle in supporting the amendment tabled by the nob...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1109 (Link to this contribution) I take up what the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, said. In certain circumstances, punishment means ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1107 (Link to this contribution) Like the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, I think this has been a riveting debate and it has been a real ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1108 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to comment on the Bulger case. Of course there will be situations in which a child ca...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1107-8 (Link to this contribution) The more we go on with this, the more I want to come back to what the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, s...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1108 (Link to this contribution) I mean that people have to face up to the consequences of what they have done through the various sa...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1108 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for letting me intervene. I just wonder what he means by punishment....
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1109 (Link to this contribution) I understand that, but there is always a danger that, because in this day and age we are sometimes s...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1108-9 (Link to this contribution) Language is important. Sometimes the way in which we use language suggests that the differences are ...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1112 (Link to this contribution) Could the Minister say when, as a matter of course, as the YOTs are preparing these reports, a clini...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1109-10 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with what the noble Earl said. I hope that I did not give the impression that I si...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1111 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will forgive me for interrupting. In family cases and in others, the phrase ““best inte...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1110-1 (Link to this contribution) We certainly do not want to do that if it will drain my legal aid budget. I accept that clarity is ...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1110 (Link to this contribution) If we have got any sense, we cannot put into law something that is not crystal clear. All that does ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1111 (Link to this contribution) I understand what the noble Lord is getting at. It will be helpful if I reflect on this in the light...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1111 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is being interrupted inordinately, but he did make a point about my construction of t...
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Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 698 c1111 (Link to this contribution) There would be the intention of producing sentencing council guidelines, which would not be ready be...
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Lord Dholakia | 698 c1111 (Link to this contribution) There seems to be a considerable difference of opinion between his understanding of Clause 9 and wha...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1112 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister says, and I am grateful for his response. I do not know if the noble and le...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1112 (Link to this contribution) I did not say that. I said that, in view of the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, and the ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1113 (Link to this contribution) The point that I am making is that the court must have regard to a number of matters. It has to have...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1113 (Link to this contribution) No one could accuse you of that.
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 698 c1113 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this interesting and crucial debate. I...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1112 (Link to this contribution) Surely the response is in new Section 142A(3), on the regard that the court must have to the welfare...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1113 (Link to this contribution) I may be dense—
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1113 (Link to this contribution) Those are the principles, but these are the purposes of sentencing. It is quite a distinct matter fr...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1113 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord just about to withdraw his amendment? If so, there is one thing that I would like ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 698 c1113 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Earl. He is always very helpful to me.
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Lord Judd | 698 c1116 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has as usual made a powerful contribution, but there are two questions that I hope th...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 698 c1116 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble and learned Baroness for that intervention. As my noble friend Lady Linkl...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1115 (Link to this contribution) The word ““punishment”” is being treated by the noble Lord, as it has been treated by others, as the...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1115 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord speaks about the past 15 years. The figures between 1997 and now have been pretty sta...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 698 c1115 (Link to this contribution) I think that I indicated to the noble Lord yesterday that the phrase ““last resort”” had been used o...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1115 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that this is not about locking people up? Although we have moved on to Pa...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution) I thought that it was an interesting amendment, and I have a great deal of sympathy with the reasons...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1134 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply. I could not have asked for a more constructive res...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1134-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 71: 71: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause— ““Restrictions on cus...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 71, Amendment No. 73: 73: After Clause 9, line 3, leave ou...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 698 c1137 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the noble Lord, Lord Judd, with his usual prescience, has raised this threshold to 21...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1137 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord agree that the statistic which, to be candid, I gave to the House in the context...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 698 c1116-7 (Link to this contribution) The second point of the noble Lord was so wide that I was looking for assistance to the right revere...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1117 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 66: 66: Clause 9, page 7, leave out lines ...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1117 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. I suggest that the Committee not begin again before 8.39...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1133 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 68: 68: Clause 9, page 7, line 22, after ““of”” insert ““financial compensatio...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1140 (Link to this contribution) We are most sympathetic to the animating theme which lies behind these amendments, although we have ...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1139 (Link to this contribution) To a large extent I support both sets of amendments. I particularly support the amendment that raise...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1140-1 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may refer to a few of the questions that were raised before I come on to the Government’s ...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 698 c1137 (Link to this contribution) I accept that. The noble Lord’s figures emphasise once again the importance of looking at all aspect...
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Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 698 c1138-9 (Link to this contribution) I view these amendments with sympathy but not with total acceptance and I would like to say why. In ...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1137-8 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the amendment. I shall not repeat what I have already said about this matter, but...
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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 698 c1138 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief but I have no hesitation in backing both the amendment and the amended amendment. Th...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1143 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. One can nitpick over these things. I suppose that my general argument...
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Lord Boston of Faversham | 698 c1143-4 (Link to this contribution) Before I put that request to the Committee, I have to deal with Amendment No. 73. Perhaps I may invi...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1144 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 72 was withdrawn from the Marshalled List for a technical reason: it was inadvertently...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1144 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may assist the Committee. The order of withdrawal has to be something like this: Amendment...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1141 (Link to this contribution) Those given for children in custody over time.
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1141-3 (Link to this contribution) My assumption is yes, but I will double-check to make sure and let the noble Earl know. Let me turn...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1143 (Link to this contribution) We discussed this matter yesterday. One of the problems is the way in which some of the offences are...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1141 (Link to this contribution) Do the figures include the number of children on remand?
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1141 (Link to this contribution) Which figures are those?
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1153 (Link to this contribution) We are most sympathetic to all the arguments deployed in support of the amendments by all those who ...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1152 (Link to this contribution) For the reasons given by my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham I strongly support the amendment to Clause ...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1153 (Link to this contribution) In the Children and Young Persons Bill, the Government introduced a new duty on local authorities to...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1151-2 (Link to this contribution) My name is attached to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. I gladly support it and him...
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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 698 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I am a signatory of the amendment tabled by my noble friend Lord Judd. Like my noble friend Lord Ram...
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Lord Dholakia | 698 c1148-9 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to support this amendment. It was a great privilege to be asked by the noble Lord, Lo...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 698 c1149-51 (Link to this contribution) In rising to speak to my Amendment No. 119 and also warmly to support the amendments of the noble Lo...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1144 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw Amendment No. 71. Amendment No. 71, by leave, withdrawn.
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Lord Judd | 698 c1144-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 78: 78: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause— ““Secure accommodatio...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1144 (Link to this contribution) If it helps the Committee, I am pleased at this juncture to say that I beg leave to withdraw my amen...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1091-2 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that it is; that is why I am perplexed. I am not sure that would be the case. It is an...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1091 (Link to this contribution) I hope the noble Lord will forgive me if I say that I found his response somewhat suffocating. The p...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1092 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 47: 47: Clause 5, page 4, line 12, at end insert ““written”” The noble Lord s...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1092 (Link to this contribution) I was about to say that I was moving from suffocating to suffocated, but just in time the Minister c...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1090 (Link to this contribution) On reflection, I am extremely sad that the Committee has been deprived of the noble Lord’s wisdom. P...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1090 (Link to this contribution) I have a long speech and I was going to give forth, but the noble Lord has given the game away: he i...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1091 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for moving this more fully than he did his earlier amendment. I have...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1090 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 45: 45: Clause 5, page 4, line 4, after ““offender’s”” insert ““, or his immed...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1093 (Link to this contribution) I am always reluctant to fall foul of my honourable and learned friend in another place. If the Gove...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 698 c1092-3 (Link to this contribution) I ought to say at the outset that I understand the noble Lord’s point perfectly well, and given the ...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1089 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his interesting reply. I had exactly the same thought in my head as the nob...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1088-9 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to answer directly—and the noble Baroness would not really expect me to be able to co...
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Baroness Stern | 698 c1088 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, mentioned the case of a 13 year-old in a child prison, on breach...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1087-8 (Link to this contribution) That was an interesting introduction to this question. The noble Baroness raised some interesting po...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1085-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: Schedule 2, page 171, line 26, leave out sub-paragraphs (12) to (16) ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1085 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I can really add to what I said at the beginning in terms of the relationship bet...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1089-90 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 43: 43: Clause 4, page 3, line 25, leave out subsection (3) The noble Lord sa...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1089 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 42A: 42A: Clause 4, page 3, line 24, at end insert ““or (as the case may be) a...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1089 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 42: 42: Schedule 2, page 183, line 26, after ““area”” insert ““or (as the case...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1073 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that, generally speaking, building on the professional judgment of those on ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1072-3 (Link to this contribution) There has been unanimity of view until now, when it is my turn to speak. This has been a short but i...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1071 (Link to this contribution) It will not surprise the Minister that I also, for the reasons that have been given, support this am...
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Lord Elystan-Morgan | 698 c1071 (Link to this contribution) I take the same line entirely. I put the obverse argument by asking this question: what earthly gain...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1071 (Link to this contribution) Again, I must agree with everything that the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, says. Why do this Governme...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 698 c1071 (Link to this contribution) I warmly support this amendment, but for a slightly lateral reason. One theme of yesterday’s debates...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1070-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32: 32: Schedule 2, page 170, line 17, leave out from ““ways”” to end of line ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1070 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...
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Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 698 c1081 (Link to this contribution) What the Minister is arguing would be a good reason for not including in sub-paragraph (4) that, "““...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1081-2 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure I follow the noble and learned Lord on that. It is clear that the court has to have di...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1082 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. What I am about to say must be heard in the context...
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Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 698 c1082 (Link to this contribution) I wholeheartedly endorse the comments that have been made across the Committee. It seems to me that ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1080-1 (Link to this contribution) We continue the theme of our debates over the two days. I do not disagree with my noble friend Lord ...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1083 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. That would place the noble Lord, would it not, ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1083 (Link to this contribution) I do not have any evidence to hand but I will certainly see whether I can find any and circulate it ...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1083 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister saying that the amendment is unnecessary and that we do it already? If that is the c...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1083 (Link to this contribution) I think I am saying that. We believe that the courts have sufficient discretion. We have heard from ...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1084 (Link to this contribution) We have had evidence in the Joint Committee on Human Rights that the level of adults with learning d...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 698 c1084 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may expand on that. The speech and language therapist to whom I referred produced evidence...
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Earl of Listowel | 698 c1084 (Link to this contribution) In this debate I am reminded of the startling figures of the numbers of children in custody with lea...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1083 (Link to this contribution) I think that my noble friend asked me to go away and produce an amendment, so I am not sure that it ...
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Baroness Stern | 698 c1085 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, and not wishing to prolong the debate much further, could tell us h...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1084 (Link to this contribution) This has been an extremely interesting debate. I have no doubt that we will come back to this matter...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1084 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful, as well as being sorry for interrupting. My wording was specifically intended to...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1073 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with the noble Earl. We want to build on the skills and expertise of people on the...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1073-4 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply, and to all noble Lords who spoke in this short and...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1074-5 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to respond to the noble Lord. I thought I was being consistent and that my remarks dealt ...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1075 (Link to this contribution) If I may be so bold as to say so, white man speak with forked tongue. The noble Lord is beginning to...
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Lord Elystan-Morgan | 698 c1075 (Link to this contribution) I do not for a moment doubt the sincerity of the Minister in any way. On the contrary, I am sure tha...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1075-6 (Link to this contribution) I do not like having the noble Lord against me, but I do not believe that the Government are being i...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1076 (Link to this contribution) I asked the noble Lord whether the situation had changed as a result of your clause, in the context ...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1076 (Link to this contribution) Yes, of course the situation has changed. The noble Lord’s amendment has force; it is just wrong.
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1076 (Link to this contribution) That is a bold thing for the Minister to say. In all the circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw the ...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1077 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment very positively. The noble Earl has put the argument very well, as indeed di...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1076 (Link to this contribution) We are ever alert.
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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 698 c1079 (Link to this contribution) Having listened to the debate and read the amendments, I cannot think of a single reason why the Min...
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Lord Ramsbotham | 698 c1079 (Link to this contribution) As we have gone through the Bill, I have mentioned a number of times the fact that we are tackling o...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1078-9 (Link to this contribution) On the point about robustness I feel strongly in sympathy with the noble Baroness. Does she agree th...
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Baroness Stern | 698 c1079 (Link to this contribution) As ever, I agree wholeheartedly with the noble Lord.
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 698 c1080 (Link to this contribution) I also support the amendment. Part 2, which deals with sentencing and the things to which the court ...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1080 (Link to this contribution) It will not surprise the Committee to hear that we are also extremely sympathetic to the amendments ...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1085 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the extraordinary thing about this debate is that there is not an enormous amount of diffe...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 698 c1084-5 (Link to this contribution) I would be interested to know what the noble Lord means by generic. I would like to see it. My gener...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1106-7 (Link to this contribution) The more I listen to this superb debate, the more I am coming to the conclusion that the right place...
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Lord Kingsland | 698 c1112 (Link to this contribution) There was a second issue that I raised about the conformity of Clause 9 with our international oblig...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 698 c1113-5 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Earl—at least we did not have Genghis Khan this time. The suggestion...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1076 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 35: 35: Schedule 2, page 170, line 35, at end insert ““, the age of the offend...
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Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 698 c1139-40 (Link to this contribution) I will not speak about the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Judd, on raising the age of the custod...
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Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 698 c1143 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for all the contributions. We know simply that the young offender population has teete...
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Earl of Onslow | 698 c1076-7 (Link to this contribution) Good. The amendment concerns sentencing. Those of us on the Joint Committee on Human Rights felt tha...
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Lord Judd | 698 c1083-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my noble friend will forgive my making one point. I appreciate the fact that he was deal...
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Baroness Stern | 698 c1077-8 (Link to this contribution) In supporting the noble Earl, Lord Onslow—I am also a colleague of his on the Joint Committee on Hum...
- Notes
- Debate in two parts but created here as one record.
- Subjects
- Children Criminal proceedings Children in care Administration of justice Death Age Alternatives to prison Custodial treatment Fines Probation Rehabilitation Sentencing Young offenders Reoffenders Youth rehabilitation orders
- Legislation
- Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2006-07 to 2007-08
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