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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 19 June 2008, in the House of Lords.

Energy Bill

Energy Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 34 to 41 agreed to, with clauses 34, 35, 41 agreed to as amended. Schedule 1 agreed to as amended. Schedule 2 agreed to. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
702 c445-94GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Puttnam | 702 c481-2GC (Link to this contribution) I enthusiastically put my name down in support of the amendment for a number of reasons. First, I se...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c465GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that the Minister will be able to furnish that explanation. I beg to move.
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Lord Bach | 702 c462GC (Link to this contribution) I must be cautious in not answering my noble friend with a short ““yes””. I have no doubt that the d...
Lord Teverson | 702 c458GC (Link to this contribution) We, too, would be interested in hearing the answers to the questions asked by the noble Lord, Lord D...
Lord Redesdale | 702 c446GC (Link to this contribution) I am not objecting to these amendments in any way, but I have a question. In the Bill, the phrase ““...
Lord Redesdale | 702 c449-50GC (Link to this contribution) I considered putting my name to the amendment, and would have done if I had got round to it. It has ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c489-91GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what my noble friend has said for the second time. I do not disavow the argument, but merely ...
Baroness Wilcox | 702 c492-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his efforts in putting an ““unputable”” case. It must be extremely difficul...
Lord Teverson | 702 c482GC (Link to this contribution) I am flattered by the noble Baroness, Lady Wilcox, seeing the Liberal Democrats as the final seal of...
Lord Teverson | 702 c482-3GC (Link to this contribution) I shall quote that on many occasions in the future. As the noble Baroness says, this is one of the k...
Lord Bach | 702 c473GC (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the Committee do now adjourn during pleasure for 10 minutes, under the new ruling...
Lord Teverson | 702 c477GC (Link to this contribution) We welcome the Government’s great wish to increase renewables and part of that will clearly be offsh...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c466-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am addressing myself to the amendment, which raises a fairly general issue, but if I have informat...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c470GC (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches certainly appreciate the fact that deep geothermal energy in the form of heat or...
Lord Bach | 702 c470-2GC (Link to this contribution) We, too, are grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for bringing this issue before us. We agree ...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 702 c465GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry for that breach of our procedures. When considering questions of sustainability in respec...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 702 c462GC (Link to this contribution) Last week we discussed the question of reports. It became clear that in another area of activity the...
Lord Bach | 702 c461GC (Link to this contribution) The best thing I can do in responding to my noble friend is remind him of the statement at paragraph...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c462GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Teverson, Lord O’Neill and Lord Woolmer, for their contributi...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 702 c460GC (Link to this contribution) In relation to banding and the issues that arise—that is, capital costs, research and investment nee...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 702 c461GC (Link to this contribution) I raise the matter because, if the banding system is to be helpful to the market place, there needs ...
Lord Bach | 702 c461GC (Link to this contribution) Our concern is to retain as best we can the flexibility that we need to change the bands at the appr...
Lord Bach | 702 c458GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord may want to speak also to Amendment No. 35, which is in his name. It is a matter for ...
Lord Bach | 702 c460GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend. I do not think that he will be surprised to hear that the advice I...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c457GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Redesdale, Lord Woolmer and Lord O’Neill, for their supp...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c453-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken to the amendment. As the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley...
Lord Bach | 702 c445-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Clause 34, page 18, line 8, leave out ““another person”” and insert ““...
Lord Bach | 702 c446GC (Link to this contribution) The amendments that the Government are seeking to persuade the Committee to adopt leave out in every...
Lord Redesdale | 702 c446GC (Link to this contribution) My question was whether the phrase ““another person”” could stand, as specified in the Bill as it is...
Lord Bach | 702 c447-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 28 to 32: 28: Schedule 1, page 87, line 5, leave out ““Order”” and insert ““...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 702 c489GC (Link to this contribution) When I was researching the photovoltaics market, all the equipment came from Germany, Japan and the ...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 702 c491-2GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the answer to why after all that consultation nothing has happened on microgeneration is tha...
Baroness Hooper | 702 c494GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Tuesday 24 June at 3.30 pm.
Lord Bach | 702 c477-8GC (Link to this contribution) Let me make one more attempt at allaying the noble Lord’s fears. He may well know that the UK is sec...
Baroness Wilcox | 702 c478-81GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 40: 40: After Clause 41, insert the following new Clause— ““Tariffs for renewa...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 702 c484GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Teverson, referred to the project he considered introducing on the property whe...
Lord Puttnam | 702 c487GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to clarify something for my own mind and probably for the benefit of the Committee. I ...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 702 c473-4GC (Link to this contribution) A few questions arise under the clause stand part. I apologise to the Committee that I did not table...
Lord Bach | 702 c472GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord talked about the extensive knowledge in my response. That is extraordinarily kind of ...
Lord Bach | 702 c475-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39: 39: Clause 41, page 38, leave out lines 5 to 8 and insert ““after subsecti...
Lord Bach | 702 c474-5GC (Link to this contribution) I will do my best to answer my noble friend’s legitimate questions on this important clause, which, ...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 702 c475GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble friend, who has shown great forbearance. His answers are immediately ...
Lord Bach | 702 c476-7GC (Link to this contribution) The Government decided to extend to offshore the principles that govern the regulation of onshore el...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c468GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38: 38: Clause 37, page 32, line 12, at beginning insert ““If the Secretary of...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c468-9GC (Link to this contribution) If I thought that every action the Government take is to ban the bad and make compulsory the good, w...
Lord Teverson | 702 c469-70GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38A: 38A: Clause 37, page 33, line 28, at end insert— ““( ) about the exploita...
Lord Teverson | 702 c466GC (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister further information? Biomass is clearly a very broad generic description. Is it pos...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c468GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to those noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. I thank the Minister for his...
Lord Teverson | 702 c472GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that positive reply and the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley, for his excellent q...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c464-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 37: 37: Clause 37, page 31, line 27, at end insert ““and set out acceptable ci...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 702 c460-1GC (Link to this contribution) I had been expecting Amendment No. 35 to be moved. I have a very brief point to make on it. Amendme...
Lord Bach | 702 c458-9GC (Link to this contribution) Okay. I am grateful to him for informing the Committee that the noble Baroness, Lady Carnegy, unfort...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 702 c459-60GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for the line he is taking. This is very helpful. Had I been a littl...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c446GC (Link to this contribution) As the Minister has helpfully explained, these amendments follow the recommendations of the Delegate...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 702 c451-3GC (Link to this contribution) I share many of the concerns about this amendment raised by previous speakers. The amendment is time...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c448-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: 33: Clause 37, page 20, leave out lines 30 to 47 The noble Lord said: The...
Lord Bach | 702 c446GC (Link to this contribution) I am advised, and I should have known this, that the expression ““a person”” can and does include a ...
Lord Bach | 702 c447GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 35, page 19, line 24, at end insert ““, or ( ) if no provision ...
Lord Bach | 702 c447GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: Clause 35, page 19, line 23, leave out paragraph (a) The noble Lord s...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c488-9GC (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with what my noble friend has to say. The department is very concern...
Lord Redesdale | 702 c491GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being here at the beginning of the debate. The Minister said that consultation w...
Lord Puttnam | 702 c491GC (Link to this contribution) I think that I know what is meant by consultation. It tends to be a desk exercise. Can the Minister ...
Lord Whitty | 702 c491GC (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not accept that the cautious, steady approach of which he has tried to convince us...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 702 c488GC (Link to this contribution) Does my noble friend recognise that public procurement is a huge spur to industry to provide and bui...
Lord Whitty | 702 c483-4GC (Link to this contribution) I add my voice in support for the objectives of the amendment. I very much support what the noble Ba...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c484-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for proposing this amendment. Perhaps I may adapt the old adage:...
Lord Teverson | 702 c472GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that comment. I will take him up on that offer to talk to the industry. It ...
Lord Teverson | 702 c476GC (Link to this contribution) I shall use this occasion to stray slightly broader about the offshore area. The Government a week a...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c469GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his helpful response. I shall carefully consider it and our positi...
Lord Bach | 702 c463-4GC (Link to this contribution) I will certainly do my best to put the Government’s case, appreciating that the noble Lord, Lord Wal...
Lord Teverson | 702 c464GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that comprehensive reply, which I am sure my noble friend will take fully i...
Lord Teverson | 702 c465GC (Link to this contribution) This whole area is quite complex, and even more so after the contribution of the noble Lord, Lord O’...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c465-6GC (Link to this contribution) It is clear that in our ambition to generate more electricity from renewable sources, we must be car...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c465GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes a good point, and yes, it must be considered.
Lord Teverson | 702 c462-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36B: 36B: Clause 37, page 27, leave out lines 29 to 33 and insert ““any grant ...
Lord Bach | 702 c460GC (Link to this contribution) Without trying to escape my responsibilities today, that information is not immediately available. A...
Lord De Mauley | 702 c457-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 34: 34: Clause 37, page 25, line 37, at end insert ““and research and developm...
Lord Redesdale | 702 c453GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord O’Neill, reminded me of a point which I found interesting while doing the backg...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 702 c450-1GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. I visited Drax with the All-Party Energy Group a few days ago and we discus...
Lord Bach | 702 c446-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 17 to 25: 17: Clause 34, page 18, line 14, leave out ““persons”” and insert ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c492GC (Link to this contribution) I have just received advice to respond in the exactly same way as my noble friend just has, renderin...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 702 c487-8GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has answered his middle question by summing up the comparative costs. That is the is...
Lord Bach | 702 c494GC (Link to this contribution) This may be the moment for the Committee to adjourn until Tuesday next at 3.30 pm.
Subjects
Devolved matters Costs Biofuels Energy Electricity generation Electricity Grants Electric cables Northern Ireland Power stations Microgeneration Offshore industry Scotland Schools Wales Renewable energy Technology Research Wind power Territorial waters Carbon emissions Geothermal power Renewables obligation Drax Power
Legislation
Energy Bill 2007-08
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