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Legislative debate on Monday, 23 June 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Tony McNulty. The answering member was David Ruffley.

Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism

Draft Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order 2008. Debate on a motion to approve. Agreed to on question.

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
478 c98-118 
Session
2007-08
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Terrorism Act 2000
Thursday, 20 July 2000
Public acts
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 478 c111 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is evident that three Back Benchers are seeking to contribute to the debate. I have to giv...
David Ruffley | 478 c103 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman also used the word ““charges”” and in fact made a very specific allegation. I do ...
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David Drew | 478 c103 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being most generous in giving way. He rightly refers to the history of the PMO...
David Ruffley | 478 c104 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way in a moment. I would be most grateful to hear an answer on that point, as I know co...
David Ruffley | 478 c104 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a moment, but I just want to pin this question down. A report in The Times today ...
David Ruffley | 478 c104 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman, from his point of view, has probably supplied that balance through his remarks. ...
Tony McNulty | 478 c100 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, what my right hon. Friend the then Home Secretary had to consider was the applicatio...
Andrew Dismore | 478 c100 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has said that the Government had concerns about the PMOI when the former Home Secretary...
David Ruffley | 478 c103 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I am not sure that I would have used his words, which are a cha...
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c103 (Link to this contribution) I want to pause at this important point in the hon. Gentleman's speech. The representatives of the I...
Keith Vaz | 478 c101 (Link to this contribution) Bearing in mind that the Government lost in the courts and that the purpose of our debate today is t...
Tony McNulty | 478 c101 (Link to this contribution) It is almost as if my hon. Friend was looking over my shoulder at the next paragraph of my speech. ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c101 (Link to this contribution) The Minister needs to share with Parliament the fact that there were at least two days of closed ses...
Tony McNulty | 478 c99 (Link to this contribution) I take my hon. Friend's description of the Committee's visit to Iran at face value. As I have said, ...
Mike Gapes | 478 c99 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether my right hon. Friend is aware that the Foreign Affairs Committee went to Iran ...
Tony McNulty | 478 c99 (Link to this contribution) I would accept that, but I remind the hon. Gentleman that the IRA is still a proscribed organisation...
Bob Russell | 478 c99 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that history is full of organisations that once practised violence in suppo...
David Drew | 478 c100 (Link to this contribution) It is good to hear my right hon. Friend welcome the de-proscription so wholeheartedly, but I want to...
Tony McNulty | 478 c99-100 (Link to this contribution) I shall be happy to give way shortly. I am always—I hope—quite generous in giving way. Let me make s...
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c118 (Link to this contribution) That was not my point. My point was that the PMOI and related organisations had knocked on the Gover...
Speaker | 478 c118 (Link to this contribution) I am obliged to the right hon. Gentleman.
Tony McNulty | 478 c118 (Link to this contribution) It is not the Government's job to tell a proscribed organisation what it needs to do to be de-proscr...
Bob Russell | 478 c117 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister giving a clue as to how the article appeared in The Times today?
Tony McNulty | 478 c117-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not need to give clues; I shall come on to that point. Our role, job and responsibility is to ...
Chris Huhne | 478 c117 (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister heard anyone in the House today suggest that the PMOI was a gang of democrats that ...
Tony McNulty | 478 c117 (Link to this contribution) It was certainly the assertion of the hon. Member for Southend, West (Mr. Amess) and at least part o...
Tony McNulty | 478 c116-7 (Link to this contribution) First, the Government have always argued that the Secretary of State was entitled to take a cautious...
David Drew | 478 c116 (Link to this contribution) That is a perfectly fair question, dare I say, to turn back to my right hon. Friend the Minister. As...
Mark Williams | 478 c116 (Link to this contribution) I concur with what the hon. Member for Thurrock (Andrew Mackinlay) said about the message that the H...
David Drew | 478 c114-6 (Link to this contribution) It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for Southend, West (Mr. Amess), particularly when he has g...
David Amess | 478 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Bury St. Edmunds (Mr. Ruffley) described the Minister's speech as grac...
Mike Gapes | 478 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman can try to intervene, but he should please not shout from a sedentary position. ...
Mike Gapes | 478 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) I hope to be less than seven minutes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would like to respond directly to the ho...
Chris Huhne | 478 c112 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. If the House had believed that it was important ...
Bob Spink | 478 c108 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a strong case, but will he be a little more generous and accept that or...
Chris Huhne | 478 c110-1 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Thurrock (Andrew Mackinlay), who stated, with a good deal...
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c108-10 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. That was my case, the case of the other 34 Members of the House of the Commons and the H...
Chris Huhne | 478 c111 (Link to this contribution) If the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has clear evidence that the PMOI is a terrorist organisation,...
Mike Gapes | 478 c111 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman saying that the Government should never, in any consideration, take account of...
David Heath | 478 c107 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman was talking about the evidence needed for the Home Secretary to come to a view. D...
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c107 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. This continued proscription has been at the bidding and requ...
Lord Horam | 478 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) I am following closely what the hon. Gentleman is saying, and I agree on the subject of appeasement....
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c107 (Link to this contribution) I totally agree. We have to deal with the world as it is rather than how we would like it to be, so ...
Mike Gapes | 478 c108 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for citing what I said, but I do not want him to misrepresent my pos...
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c108 (Link to this contribution) In any event, only time will tell. However, I look forward to the day when the regime in Iran falls ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 478 c106 (Link to this contribution) I am proud to be one of the 35 people referred to in the case of Lord Alton and others. Others in th...
David Ruffley | 478 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall indicate clearly that this is required of the Government. Should we be in their position—we ...
Bob Russell | 478 c105 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has stated that Her Majesty's official Opposition will not be opposing the measur...
David Ruffley | 478 c105 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way first to the hon. Member for Colchester (Bob Russell).
Tony McNulty | 478 c98-9 (Link to this contribution) The position taken by the Government to date is the position of the entire Government. When we prosc...
Tony McNulty | 478 c98 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the draft Terrorism Act 2006 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order 2008, ...
Keith Vaz | 478 c98 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister confirm that he has had discussions with the Foreign Office about this matter, and ...
Tony McNulty | 478 c101 (Link to this contribution) And, as I have said, we sought to appeal POAC's ruling, which gives a clear indication of the Govern...
Mike Gapes | 478 c112 (Link to this contribution) That is not the point that I am making, and I think that the hon. Gentleman is trying deliberately t...
David Ruffley | 478 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) Under part 2 of the Terrorism Act 2000, the Secretary of State has the power to proscribe any organi...
Tony McNulty | 478 c101 (Link to this contribution) Let me reiterate that simply because POAC arrived at its decision—we accept it in full, which is why...
Subjects
Crime prevention Appeals Proscribed organisations Terrorism Iran Mujahedin-e Khalq
Legislation
Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order 2008
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