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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 29 October 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Julian Brazier.

Canterbury City Council Bill

Canterbury City Council Bill. Second reading debate. Motion that the question be now put agreed to on division (159 to 12). Main question agreed to on division (154 to 7) and Bill committed.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
481 c989-1004 
Session
2007-08
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 481 c993 (Link to this contribution) Order. If that speculation were correct, I would probably find myself joining the hordes of people m...
Philip Davies | 481 c993 (Link to this contribution) In that case, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will not respond to my hon. Friend's point. Given your earlier c...
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Philip Davies | 481 c992 (Link to this contribution) Indeed; I will fully abide by your wise words, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I take the point made by my hon. ...
Peter Bone | 481 c992-3 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that there may be a hidden issue that we have not discussed? He suggested ...
Philip Davies | 481 c992 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I shall bear your wise words in mind and make sure that I do not stre...
Speaker | 481 c992 (Link to this contribution) Order. I hope that you will do more than that.
Julian Brazier | 481 c992 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. As far as I can determine, there is no reference anywhere i...
Speaker | 481 c992 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is not a point of order, but a point of argument. I have listened to the hon. Member for...
Philip Davies | 481 c992 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for pointing that out; I was not aware of that, as I have only recen...
Christopher Chope | 481 c993 (Link to this contribution) You have been waiting eagerly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for distinctive elements of the Bill to be drawn ...
Julian Brazier | 481 c994 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that offer. If he chooses to draw his remarks to a reason...
Peter Bone | 481 c994 (Link to this contribution) Before my hon. Friend moves on, would not one of the problems of giving a Second Reading to this Bil...
Christopher Chope | 481 c994-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. That is why it is so important that a particular issue in a part...
Julian Brazier | 481 c994 (Link to this contribution) I may be able to help the House by explaining that there is an open space in front of the cathedral ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c994 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that that is very helpful.
Philip Davies | 481 c994 (Link to this contribution) I was struck by my hon. Friend's point about Canterbury having a high level of tourism. Does he ther...
Christopher Chope | 481 c994 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend about that. On the specificity of the Bill, if my hon. Friend the Membe...
Greg Knight | 481 c993 (Link to this contribution) If this provision were as described by my hon. Friend the Member for Canterbury, many of us could su...
Christopher Chope | 481 c993 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right. He is a very experienced scrutineer of this type of measure, and he k...
Philip Davies | 481 c990-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that clarification. I know that he is a great champion of his co...
Peter Bone | 481 c991 (Link to this contribution) I went to Canterbury this year for a short holiday, and I have to say that I was not aware of a huge...
Philip Davies | 481 c991 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend may be right, and in that sense, the measure may well be a solution looking for a pro...
John Bercow | 481 c991 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to listen to my hon. Friend's mellifluous tones. Tourism in Canterbury among...
Philip Davies | 481 c991 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for having pointed that out. He is a great champion of the free mark...
Ann Widdecombe | 481 c991 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend enlighten me: how many times has he been to Canterbury?
Christopher Chope | 481 c992 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my concern that the promoters' statement in support of the Second Reading ...
Philip Davies | 481 c991-2 (Link to this contribution) I would not like to answer that, given that I might well mislead the House if I gave a specific numb...
Christopher Chope | 481 c998 (Link to this contribution) Clause 13 deals with the vexed question of who is to issue the fixed penalty notices. When my hon. F...
Speaker | 481 c999 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are dealing with the Canterbury City Council Bill, not with any other Bills. I would appre...
Christopher Chope | 481 c998 (Link to this contribution) I look forward to having that opportunity. However, I was hoping that my hon. Friend would give his ...
Speaker | 481 c998 (Link to this contribution) Order. It would be helpful if the hon. Gentleman could now return to the matters in hand.
Christopher Chope | 481 c999 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is on to an extremely good point. I am not sure that the House has considered a...
Greg Knight | 481 c999 (Link to this contribution) This specific Bill makes provision—rather oddly, in my view—for varying the level of fixed penalty d...
Greg Knight | 481 c999 (Link to this contribution) It may help the House if I explained that I was referring to clause 14(2) on page 9, which says:"““D...
Christopher Chope | 481 c999 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has got on to a point that I have to admit I had not spotted, so I am grateful ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c1000-1 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is seeking to be fair-minded, but the point made by our hon. Friend the Member ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c1000 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I shall be able to finish making my point before the debate ends, and I hope that my hon...
Julian Brazier | 481 c1000 (Link to this contribution) rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put, but Mr. Deputy Speaker withheld...
Christopher Chope | 481 c1000 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right, but one of the difficulties with the Bill is that there are a lot of assert...
Peter Bone | 481 c999 (Link to this contribution) I must interject there, because it would have been impossible for the pedlars to get the original li...
Christopher Chope | 481 c1001 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made a good point. One cannot have it both ways, but that is what Canterbury city...
Philip Davies | 481 c1001 (Link to this contribution) Might not the point made by our right hon. Friend the Member for East Yorkshire (Mr. Knight) about C...
Christopher Chope | 481 c1001 (Link to this contribution) In a sense, my right hon. Friend is filling the role that I hoped would be played by my hon. Friend ...
Greg Knight | 481 c1001 (Link to this contribution) I really do think that my hon. Friend is making heavy weather of this. Might it not be the case that...
Ann Widdecombe | 481 c995 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I seek your guidance. Is not detail about temperatures more...
Christopher Chope | 481 c995 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Normally on Second Reading, the Minister or sponsor who in...
Speaker | 481 c995 (Link to this contribution) A point about, for example, temperature, is most certainly a Committee point. Second Reading is abou...
Christopher Chope | 481 c996 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased that the Minister would like to contribute to the debate.
Christopher Chope | 481 c996 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that intervention. Again, in live debate, we have an example of th...
Christopher Chope | 481 c996 (Link to this contribution) I think that there is indeed some provision in the Bill to deal with compensation.
Greg Knight | 481 c996 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, as a general principle, a Bill that gives anyone power to seize some...
Greg Knight | 481 c996 (Link to this contribution) With respect to my hon. Friend, as I understand it compensation will be paid only if the initial sei...
Speaker | 481 c997 (Link to this contribution) Order. If we have now cleared that up, perhaps we can get back on the road to Canterbury.
Christopher Chope | 481 c997 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is wrong about many things, and I am afraid that he is wrong about that. Fi...
John Battle | 481 c997 (Link to this contribution) I recall that when the hon. Gentleman was a councillor for Westminster, he promoted a Westminster Bi...
Christopher Chope | 481 c996-7 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a good point, which I hope my hon. Friend the Member for Canterbury has t...
Ann Widdecombe | 481 c998 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Surely it is quite wrong for a Member to accuse another Mem...
Christopher Chope | 481 c997-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. If I am party to the discussions between the Minister and my hon....
Peter Bone | 481 c997 (Link to this contribution) To respond to the Minister's intervention about the European convention on human rights, I did not u...
Christopher Chope | 481 c997 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that I gave way to the right hon. Gentleman, so that I could clarify the matter for him.
Christopher Chope | 481 c998 (Link to this contribution) I was wondering whether you were going to draw the curtains round your Chair, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Ho...
Speaker | 481 c998 (Link to this contribution) I am not quite sure to whom the right hon. Lady is alluding—[Interruption.] I think that the matter ...
Julian Brazier | 481 c1001 (Link to this contribution) rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put. Question put, That the Questio...
Julian Brazier | 481 c989 (Link to this contribution) I shall be very brief, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Some months ago, we had extensive argument about the meas...
Julian Brazier | 481 c990 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. The short answer is that, borough for borough, Canterbury is the ...
Philip Davies | 481 c990 (Link to this contribution) I shall make merely two points that are specific to Canterbury. The first is that the Bill, as I und...
Speaker | 481 c989 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman has been attending debates on these proceedings long enough to realise tha...
Peter Bone | 481 c989 (Link to this contribution) I did not expect to detain the House by making a speech, but the introduction to the Bill was so sho...
Julian Brazier | 481 c989 (Link to this contribution) No. Those street traders face unfair competition from people from all over the country who have not...
Julian Brazier | 481 c989 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way. Our 18 legitimate street traders, who have paid for their licences—
Julian Brazier | 481 c998 (Link to this contribution) That, of course, is something that we could discuss in Committee.
Gareth Thomas | 481 c996 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman take the opportunity to correct the impression that the Government have any ...
Peter Bone | 481 c989 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that ruling, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I apologise for straying. I was trying to mak...
Christopher Chope | 481 c994 (Link to this contribution) That is one of the most constructive responses received tonight by those who have been questioning p...
Greg Knight | 481 c1000 (Link to this contribution) I think that my hon. Friend is being a little unfair on our hon. Friend the Member for Canterbury. W...
Subjects
Canterbury City Council Touting Street trading Canterbury
Legislation
Canterbury City Council Bill 2007-08 to 2012-13
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